The main take away is that CNS efficiency is crappy for hypertrophy.[/quote]
Why would it be?[/quote]
I’m not saying that I agree with the notion that CNS efficiency is bad for hypertrophy, but I do wonder whether there is a case for that. I’m assuming that greater CNS efficiency= higher strength threshold. Presumably, that would leave one lifting heavier weights to induce a growth response for any given baseline of muscularity. It seems like the heavier weights would, at least in the long run, increase the chance of joint issues viz. someone lifting lighter loads. Is that a crazy thought?
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
Frank yang talked about this recently and believes this is why he’s getting big so fast. Supposebly , the stronger you are , the more efficient your cns is. If u can recruit more muscles it does make sense youd be able to build more.[/quote]
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
Frank yang talked about this recently and believes this is why he’s getting big so fast. Supposebly , the stronger you are , the more efficient your cns is. If u can recruit more muscles it does make sense youd be able to build more.[/quote]
He got huge mainly because of his diet, anyone is going to gain mad weight on 5-8+ thousand kcals a day. I brought him up mainly because the other poster I quoted was saying something that made no sense. Frank is a good example of how one can follow both lines of weight training philosophy (granted not at the same time).
As for him “getting fat,” well, putting on muscle is a hell of a lot harder than losing fat… and Frank didn’t even end up that fat, all things considered.
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
Frank yang talked about this recently and believes this is why he’s getting big so fast. Supposebly , the stronger you are , the more efficient your cns is. If u can recruit more muscles it does make sense youd be able to build more.[/quote]
Frank got pretty fat too, just sayin.[/quote]
Soft yes. Fat fuck no. He still had a pretty flat stomach. Atleast from what I can see in his videos.
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
Frank yang talked about this recently and believes this is why he’s getting big so fast. Supposebly , the stronger you are , the more efficient your cns is. If u can recruit more muscles it does make sense youd be able to build more.[/quote]
He got huge mainly because of his diet, anyone is going to gain mad weight on 5-8+ thousand kcals a day. I brought him up mainly because the other poster I quoted was saying something that made no sense. Frank is a good example of how one can follow both lines of weight training philosophy (granted not at the same time).
As for him “getting fat,” well, putting on muscle is a hell of a lot harder than losing fat… and Frank didn’t even end up that fat, all things considered. [/quote]
Those videos of him eating 8k calories were more for entertainment than anything . I dont think its possible to eat like that on the daily. Cant be good for your health or your pockets lol.
All im stating is what frank believes got him that size so fast.
The main take away is that CNS efficiency is crappy for hypertrophy.[/quote]
Why would it be?[/quote]
I’m not saying that I agree with the notion that CNS efficiency is bad for hypertrophy, but I do wonder whether there is a case for that. I’m assuming that greater CNS efficiency= higher strength threshold. Presumably, that would leave one lifting heavier weights to induce a growth response for any given baseline of muscularity. It seems like the heavier weights would, at least in the long run, increase the chance of joint issues viz. someone lifting lighter loads. Is that a crazy thought?[/quote]
My joints real great lol
The main take away is that CNS efficiency is crappy for hypertrophy.[/quote]
Why would it be?[/quote]
I’m not saying that I agree with the notion that CNS efficiency is bad for hypertrophy, but I do wonder whether there is a case for that. I’m assuming that greater CNS efficiency= higher strength threshold. Presumably, that would leave one lifting heavier weights to induce a growth response for any given baseline of muscularity. It seems like the heavier weights would, at least in the long run, increase the chance of joint issues viz. someone lifting lighter loads. Is that a crazy thought?[/quote]
My joints real great lol[/quote]
Yeah, but you’re also like 20 and are a powerlifter. It seems like the better person to address the issue would be someone like stu–someone who has been training long enough to appreciate the importance of joint integrity. Not saying you’re wrong–just that I wouldn’t take your experience as evidence (or even suggestive) of anything.
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
Frank yang talked about this recently and believes this is why he’s getting big so fast. Supposebly , the stronger you are , the more efficient your cns is. If u can recruit more muscles it does make sense youd be able to build more.[/quote]
Frank got pretty fat too, just sayin.[/quote]
Soft yes. Fat fuck no. He still had a pretty flat stomach. Atleast from what I can see in his videos.[/quote]
LOL. Notice how swole all those “fat” people are getting.
I skipped most of this thread too but a bodybuilding split on a long term pl would not make him just blow up. His body has more than likely adjusted to the pl style and would have to go through a few changes first. This is assuming you are serious about both.
If you look at most long term pl who switched they may grow but they either never or take forever to get that round belly bb look. For example: DT, Matt K, and some others if you look at them while big as hell they generally still don’t have the complete BB look. There’s a chance it may be different for someone who started off skinny but I doubt it.
It’s like having two walls one you start from scratch the other you have to put primer over first.
Other than that it looks like you assessment of people is off. Most of the guys videos you showed had incredible legs for their size and performed well in leg lifts, and proportionately for upper body. Remember people who are obsessed with BB also buy clothes accordingly. Your friends at the gym who want to look jersey shore and shit get tighter shirts then PL who want to lift in a dungeon.
[quote]RomanianRock wrote:
YES a relatively smaller powerlifter would get pretty big faster than most doing hypertrophy training imo[/quote]
That what I think too. Lets say a dude is squat 495. Good chance after 3 month of BB style he could reps 405 easy, thus working in a hypertrophy rep range with a heavy ass weigth= big fukin muscle…[/quote]
? It isn’t that simple. The guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights.[/quote]
i may be mis reading what your saying, but are you saying that just because a powerlifter is small he has shit genetics for bodybuilding? if so how did you come to that conclusion?[/quote]
It doesn’t surprise me you don’t get it…but it has nothing to do with simply being small. That isn’t what I wrote at all. I wrote that if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.
You seem to have skipped over key words and points to only focus on size alone.
My jabs at you may be immature…but they also happen to be true.
I have never claimed to be a full adult. My mind will forever be in the kids section with frequent and long term trips to the 24 hour x-rated video section.
[quote]RomanianRock wrote:
YES a relatively smaller powerlifter would get pretty big faster than most doing hypertrophy training imo[/quote]
That what I think too. Lets say a dude is squat 495. Good chance after 3 month of BB style he could reps 405 easy, thus working in a hypertrophy rep range with a heavy ass weigth= big fukin muscle…[/quote]
? It isn’t that simple. The guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights.[/quote]
i may be mis reading what your saying, but are you saying that just because a powerlifter is small he has shit genetics for bodybuilding? if so how did you come to that conclusion?[/quote]
It doesn’t surprise me you don’t get it…but it has nothing to do with simply being small. That isn’t what I wrote at all. I wrote that if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.
You seem to have skipped over key words and points to only focus on size alone.
My jabs at you may be immature…but they also happen to be true.
I have never claimed to be a full adult. My mind will forever be in the kids section with frequent and long term trips to the 24 hour x-rated video section.[/quote]
aww someones mad,
also no you didnt really make it clear you exact words were “the guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”
you can see why i misunderstood what you were saying when you clearly wrote something different to what you actually meant.
The main take away is that CNS efficiency is crappy for hypertrophy.[/quote]
Why would it be?[/quote]
I’m not saying that I agree with the notion that CNS efficiency is bad for hypertrophy, but I do wonder whether there is a case for that. I’m assuming that greater CNS efficiency= higher strength threshold. Presumably, that would leave one lifting heavier weights to induce a growth response for any given baseline of muscularity. It seems like the heavier weights would, at least in the long run, increase the chance of joint issues viz. someone lifting lighter loads. Is that a crazy thought?[/quote]
My joints real great lol[/quote]
Yeah, but you’re also like 20 and are a powerlifter. It seems like the better person to address the issue would be someone like stu–someone who has been training long enough to appreciate the importance of joint integrity. Not saying you’re wrong–just that I wouldn’t take your experience as evidence (or even suggestive) of anything.
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I’m 19 actually and I’m just joshing with you… and I thought I fixed that typo…
aww someones mad,
also no you didnt really make it clear you exact words were “the guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”
you can see why i misunderstood what you were saying when you clearly wrote something different to what you actually meant.
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Doofus, if you stay small when lifting huge weights, that means your body is doing tons of work yet not showing it. That is the same as saying “if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.”
If you need this much explanation in school or work, my guess is you ether get coffee for people who actually do the work that matters…or you’re that smart ass high school kid who barely passes his classes yet thinks he is witty enough to do what has never been done before…trolling an internet forum.
I do curls to make my biceps bigger
when I do curls I make sure my biceps are moving the weight
I try to do these curls for more weight/reps while keeping the same form
The main take away is that CNS efficiency is crappy for hypertrophy.[/quote]
Why would it be?[/quote]
As I said, for myofibril hypertrophy he would need to use way more weight than the the new lifter.
As for sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, a dude who has an efficient CNS has the thought driven into his mind of just lifting the weight and not feeling the muscle. He would have to totally retrain himself to feel his muscle and think of lifting the weight with the muscle.
As far as recruiting more muscle fibers I had not thought of it that way. He would have an advantage here, but almost purely in the type 2 fibers.
That brings up 2 other questions that I do not have the answers to.
1: Would he be able to fatigue enough extra fibers for it to make a difference?
2: If he does fatigue a lot more fibers would they be able to recover enough from workout to workout to make a difference?
aww. ,omeones mad,
also no you didnt really make it clear you exact words were “the guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”
you can see why i misunderstood what you were saying when you clearly wrote something different to what you actually meant.
[/quote]
Doofus, if you stay small when lifting huge weights, that means your body is doing tons of work yet not showing it. That is the same as saying “if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.”
If you need this much explanation in school or work, my guess is you ether get coffee for people who actually do the work that matters…or you’re that smart ass high school kid who barely passes his classes yet thinks he is witty enough to do what has never been done before…trolling an internet forum.[/quote]
Not that im trying to bud into you and ryan’s arguement But frank was also very small when he only trained for cns/explosiveness. He didnt even like he lifted weights… would you say his genetics are bad?
I think its more like some people just dont grow low reps heavy weights. The same way others dont grow with high reps.
aww someones mad,
also no you didnt really make it clear you exact words were “the guys with the best genetics are the ones who are HUGE as powerlifters…not the ones who stay small with huge weights”
you can see why i misunderstood what you were saying when you clearly wrote something different to what you actually meant.
[/quote]
Doofus, if you stay small when lifting huge weights, that means your body is doing tons of work yet not showing it. That is the same as saying “if you do a shit ton of work and your body refrains from looking like it, you do NOT have good genes for bodybuilding.”
If you need this much explanation in school or work, my guess is you ether get coffee for people who actually do the work that matters…or you’re that smart ass high school kid who barely passes his classes yet thinks he is witty enough to do what has never been done before…trolling an internet forum.[/quote]
lol at all the insults when you just posted something as stupid as that.
why do you think there are weight classes in powerlifting?
because not all powerlifters want to look like bodybuilders derrr.
so just because you see a small guy squating 500 and benching mid 300’s doesnt mean he has shit genetics for bodybuilding, he isnt even trying to look like a bodybuilder. so how can you say he has shit genetics for bodybuilding when he isnt even trying to BODYBUILD. lighter powerlifters tend to have a better strength/weight ratio.
i thought for someone as “smart” as you it would be obvious.