I Want to Reach a 3xbw Squat

[quote]DjSm28 wrote:
So…this is going to be a shift for the thread, but you guys think I should continue to get my squat up or should I do more explosive and reactive stuff now?[/quote]

Bottom line:

KEEP RAISING YOUR RELATIVE STRENGTH ALONG WITH YOUR EXPLOSIVE STRENGTH.

You can either focus doing a westside type template (with minimal high rep work) or focus mainly on improving with the olympic lifts (or any of its variations… and make sure you squat. Every generic weightlifting program has you squatting.)

P.S. = It doesn’t have to be a back squat. Heck, you can improve your vertical by doing zercher squats!

P.P.S. = 80% of the power output in a vertical jump COMES FROM THE POSTERIOR CHAIN!

[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
P.P.S. = 80% of the power output in a vertical jump COMES FROM THE POSTERIOR CHAIN![/quote]

Don’t forget the quads though.

Yes. They make up the other 20% I think…

[quote]Bloobird wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
P.P.S. = 80% of the power output in a vertical jump COMES FROM THE POSTERIOR CHAIN!

Don’t forget the quads though.[/quote]

You have a good taste in picking avatars.

[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Yes. They make up the other 20% I think…[/quote]

I think the quads are responsible for a lot more than 20% though.

[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Bloobird wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
P.P.S. = 80% of the power output in a vertical jump COMES FROM THE POSTERIOR CHAIN!

Don’t forget the quads though.

You have a good taste in picking avatars.[/quote]

Thanks :smiley:

I think 2 legged jumps are a lot more quads. 1 legged jumps are more hamstrings. Both have glutes heavily involved.

[quote]DjSm28 wrote:
I think 2 legged jumps are a lot more quads. 1 legged jumps are more hamstrings. Both have glutes heavily involved.[/quote]

Are you a one or two leg jumper?

Both. Depends on the situation. Rebounding and trying to touch as high as I can, I’m a two legged jumper. Fast breaks and on the drive, I’m a one foot jumper.

[quote]DjSm28 wrote:
Both. Depends on the situation. Rebounding and trying to touch as high as I can, I’m a two legged jumper. Fast breaks and on the drive, I’m a one foot jumper.[/quote]

So, you jump highest off two?

Yeah, but I would like to get better at jumping off one leg and both legs.

[quote]kaoticz wrote:
Yeah I’ve only been squatting for like 4months properply, before that i was fkin around with training for like a month. Do you think i should switch to oly squats and go a few inches below parallel, because i cant go below paralell with a low bar squat and i dont feel my p-chain working in my squats lol.[/quote]

You may have issues firing your glutes properly - foam roll/release work, hip mobility work, glute activation drills etc

I can go below parallel low bar style just fine…
let your knees go forward…

[quote]kickureface wrote:
jesus i was thinking you were talkng about 1rm !!!
that 2.5 stuff for reps for 40??
[/quote]

I was :slight_smile:

[quote]DjSm28 wrote:
So…this is going to be a shift for the thread, but you guys think I should continue to get my squat up or should I do more explosive and reactive stuff now?[/quote]

neither

I would put your strength work on maintenance and work on teaching your body how to move properly!
Correct movement and position first - then make it stronger

If you keep getting stronger your just wasting all that horsepower since your not able to use it, and you will get injured

I’m no expert but it seems to me you have poor feet, glute recruitment and stiffness/snappiness in your movements.
Not glutes, no power

.higher-faster-sports.com/noglutes.html

the usual foam roll/release work, hip mobility work, glute activation drills apply

speed hops like in my recent vid will help too ocne you get yourself sorted

I think a 3x bw squat is pretty unlikely at 165 and 5’ 8". You’re a bit too tall… probably need to get into the 170s.

I also agree with some other posters that once you hit 2x-2.5 range, you’ll need a ton of explosive training before you need to emphasize absolute strength if vert is your goal.

I know it’s hard to tell, but if I shifted to more explosive stuff and put my strength on maintainance, my speed and vert would max out around what? BTW, another thing I need help with is getting down to ATG squat. I think I have a long femur, and its hard for me to get down into ATG without rounding my back. I will admit, I do need to work on my flexibility too.

[quote]DjSm28 wrote:
I know it’s hard to tell, but if I shifted to more explosive stuff and put my strength on maintainance, my speed and vert would max out around what? BTW, another thing I need help with is getting down to ATG squat. I think I have a long femur, and its hard for me to get down into ATG without rounding my back. I will admit, I do need to work on my flexibility too.[/quote]

no offence dude but you’re 5’8" according to your profile…i’m PRETTY sure your femurs arent any longer than us over 6" with still long legs relatively speaking, that are squatting ATG

(basically,it Sucks to work on flexibility, as mine was atrocious beyond words, but after a Very long time, and a just about cured back injury, i can only recommend going to almost any lengths to achieve adequate mobility and flexibilty (whatever you decide is adequate for your health and your sport))

why does hip mobility / flexibility matter in this case?

and flexibility of which muscles?

if he wants to squat atg and cant(without rounding back)? are you serious?

yep. my back rounds slightly as i hit parallel but i’ve never been injured nor plan to hit 3x bw so i think it is a nonissue.

im guessing it pertains to athletic movement but how?