Totally
Lifestyle matters too
Like FH can kill you quicklyā¦ But itās genetic. Someone without FH isnāt going to have the lipid profile of someone with FH regardless of what they eat unless they take steroids or become morbidly, morbidly obese
I know you think you āgot meā
But the concept of mRNA vaccines have actually been around for decades.
First studies utilising them began in the 1990s.
This idea that they are extremely experimental isnāt true.
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I am not trying to be an ass, i promise. I just have my own personal opinions about the covid vaccine. Mainly that its fairly experimental.
So glad I did everything i could NOT to get it, as well as not letting my children get it. Several of my co workers have heart issues now, when they were previously healthy. Connected? Who knowsā¦ They got the vaccine though.
And hasnāt pfizer straight up came out and admitted it causes myocarditis? Iām good on that.
So a pandemic involving a virus known to attack the cardiorespiratory system is:
A. More likely
B. Less likely
Than a vaccine to be the culprit here.
Which one looks more rational to you?
Which do you believe?
If there is a difference, why?
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Yes
Just as Astrazeneca can cause thrombosis with thrombocytopenia. The chance of developing TTS is roughly 1/50,000 and the chance of dying is 1/1,000,000
With covid 0.4% of all deaths were kids in the USA. Or 17400 children
There are 2.4 billion people below 18 in this world. And not every one of them has caught covid
But letās say every kid did catch covid and 17400 died. Thats 2.4 billion divided by 17400
Thats 1 in 137931
Making a kid 7.25 times more likely to die from covid than by TTS from Astrazeneca
I can go over the exact numbers with myocarditis tooā¦ the truth is you are far more likely to get myocarditis from covid (even as a child) than you are from pfizer
Like with kids the chance of myocarditis is very low with mRNA vaccinesā¦ But in teenagers I believe the chance was 270/1,000,000
Whereas the chance from covid is around 150/100,000
And the vast, vast, vast majority of the time itās asymptomatic or benign. Covid unfortunately does affect the heart and often times even relatively asymptomatic cases lead to subtle elevations in biomarkers indicative of cardiac damage
Itās a risk assessment thing. I know someone who had persistent issues with breathing after catching the original strain of covid. I got so sick with the delta variant initially my heart rate was stuck at 130 for daysā¦ But I was also additionally sick at the same time.
My father struggled to breath first time he caught it for like a week. My brother had zero symptoms.
Iām not going to knock you for your opinion as youāve been respectful and I respect we donāt see eye to eye here. I happen to know the person (no jokeā¦ Family relation) who oversaw the clinical trials for Astrazeneca in my country. Not that this means anything but they are adamant Astrazeneca should have been rolled out as instead Australia remained under totalitarian lockdown for an extra 9 months.
Believe it or not depending on the strain the flu can cause myocarditis up to 10% of the time.
Iām not discounting you may not people who were negatively affected by the vaccine. It is possible. Itās more likely they were affected by covid and in some cases itās even more likely they caught covid before immunity kicked in
Or immunity partially wore off etc. But itās certainly possible.
Some people with certain diseases are also affected worse by covid AND the vaccines. My best friend has a genetic diseaseā¦ He took the covid/flu vaccine simultaneously and was bedbound for three daysā¦ But when he actually catches covid itās like game over for himā¦
COVID-19 Vaccine-Induced Myocarditis: A Systemic Review and Literature Search - PMC (nih.gov)
Knowing that both can give you myocarditis. But only one of the options is self inflicted.
Iāll limit my exposure. Had covid, several times. Actually hit several PRs when i had it the first time. Not to downplay people who actually had severe cases, but i speculate there is something deeper going on, whether its co-morbidities, or vitamin D. I think we would be better served figuring out why some people were more affected than others
Respectfully. I just dont see the point in taking a vaccine, that has been proven to not be very effective, and has been shown to cause myocarditis. Had covid, my family had covid, we were all fine. (actually hit some weight PRs with one of the more ādangerousā variants) My extended family (mom and dad, brother in law) had it, and they were much more severe, but they are also metabolically unhealthy.
Geneticsā¦ Thats literally it
Thats why genetic diversity is important to some extent (NOT multiculturalismā¦ Clashing cultures donāt workā¦ Culturally aligned minging is fine).
If we were all homogeneous in makeup and a pandemic hit that targeted a certain gene that a homogenous population expressed we would be fucked
Like how smallpox almost wiped out Native Americans.
I have a genetic disease therefore covid affects me a bit more than most although now when I get it Iām just a bit tired
The delta variant funnily enough hit me right as I got the worst food poisoning of my life. That made me so sick I seriously thought I was going to behl hospitalised for high heart rate and dehydration
Ah, see? You outsmarted the quizlet instead of answering in the format provided.
Never saw that before!
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I donāt know if i agree. I think genetics DEFINITLEY play a roleā¦
I think metabolic health, and general overall health, vitamin deficiencies, weight, and exercise/resilience, probably play a higher rolse in determining outcome. But again, I can only state what i have observed myself.
Agreed
But why do some obese people still seem asymptomatic and then occasionally some completely healthy person winds up on a ventilator?
I was too literal. I mean genetics play a large role.
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My family believes that the descendants of my maternal grandfather are genetically immune (or highly resistant) to COVID, as none of us have tested positive for COVID. Christmas 2020, my father, brother in law, and sister in law all had COVID while all staying in the same house with their spouses and not isolating in a particular way from each other. But my mother, brother, and sister never had symptoms or tested positive.
Itās not a controlled study, but anecdotally itās compelling.
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Iāve had Covid 2x confirmed and likely 3x and it hit me differently each time. Not sure if the strain variation made the difference or something else.
- The first time I canāt confirm, but about 1 month before Covid was announced I was sicker than Iāve ever been, for weeks. Every symptom from the early strain showed up from difficulty breathing to pinkeye and a copper taste in my mouth with a loss of smell. I recovered before news broke but thereās no way it wasnāt already here imo.
- The second time I had no idea. I got screened as a request of a wedding invitation and sure enough, I had Covid
- The third time I had a light fever, then after a few days I could not get a breath. It felt like I was under water no matter how hard I sucked air. My doctor was in the process of having me admitted to a hospital to die in one of those weird beds, but on a second thought sent me to a monocolonal antibody pop-up clinic. Weird experience. It almost felt illegal. In the storage room of a big, abandoned event space in San Antonio there were some makeshift tent rooms set up, dingy lighting and all the doctors were Nigerian. They injected the antibodies and within 30 mins my fever was gone. It took a couple days but all the other symptoms cleared out too. Very bizarre.
Iāve been sick since then but havenāt cared to get tested.
So I donāt even think itās an individual response outside of comorbidity scenarios, which I have none. Itās just a weird, Frankenstein research virus that got loose I bet.
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I had the loss of taste variant but no other symptoms
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I still havenāt regained my sense of smell fully. I can sense extremely strong odors in a muted way judging other peopleās reactions and if I sniff something up close.
How long has it been??
Early 2020. I had it in January even though it technically didnāt exist yet.
Check out the last episode of JRE (joe rogan) with Huberman on it. He talks about recovering his smell after covid. Couldnt hurt. I believe he said there was some supplement as well as āsmell trainingā. Check it outā¦
The first time i had covid, which was the most āsevereā if you can call it thatā¦ i had
-Slightly runny nose
-Fatigue (this was the most pronounced symptom, even though it was transient. Felt like i didnāt sleep at all, lasted around 2-3 hours, 2 days in a row, which surprisingly, went away after eating, but very pronounced)
-Loss of smell/Taste (short lived, maybe 2 days)
- What i suspect was Kidney pain (similar pain i experienced while overseas and extremely dehydrated, flank pain, both sides)
Other than those somewhat mild symptoms, i had to stay home from work, but i kept working out and lived my daily lifeā¦ They even called me to ācheckā on me from the hospital I would out of and they asked me if my breathing was okā¦ I was working out and was out of breath.
Times after that, it was a coldā¦ only had to check because of work. Family had it one time where they had mild feversā¦ but no respiratory symptoms. In fact, i dont think any of us every had any respiratory symptoms with any of the times we had it.
The first time I would say it felt like a deep chest cold regarding respiratory symptoms but I couldnāt clear anything, even with expectorants, steam or whatever else.
When I needed the antibodies the only way I can explain it is that it felt exactly like I would imagine trying to breath underwater feels.
Itās always in the back of my mind that there could be some long term, systemic effects. Like chickenpox coming around as shingles, or HPV as cancer. Time will tell.
Iāll check out the podcast, thanks.
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Exactly.
So, probably nothing, probably massively overblown or genetic disease.
No one said that it matters zero. You are the one screaming carnivore, cholesterol/LDL is the devil.
Walls of text for that?
*And thanks for ruining this thread and tossing it into the fireā¦lol
Holy shit.
It is 2024 you are bringing up vaccines and covid??
Stick to the politics forum.
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