I Do Want to be Huge!

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I’m trying to get gynormous. I’m 17, and my appetite is hugeee, I eat everything in sight lol. I’ve been using progressive overload and increasing my lifts everyother week, added rep on the week i don’t add the five pounds to the bar. Sticking to the basics, 2 days on 2 days off, fullbody split. Try to get 8hours sleep as much as possible.

Using lots of compounds and exercises that I can pack the pounds on. Goal is to become an IFBB pro, have a world record bench press, I’m determined, I’ve had my eye on this goal ever since I’ve started training, and it WILL happen, it’s only a matter of time.

How’s everyone elses training to get huge coming along?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The average person will have to work their freaking ass off just to make any form of significant progress at all…progress they won’t make if they start this worrying about how big they do NOT want to be.

That alone is what makes these types of comments ridiculous. It also highlights who the ones are who don’t want to work very hard. I can say that because unless their reason is a pressing need to stay exactly where they are (ie. sports with weight classes that they actively compete in), setting a LIMIT on your own progress before you ever get anywhere close to it is about as lame as you can get.

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This is one of the major rubs with me.

There is a kind of schizophrenic, self contradictory, self inflicted syndrome that goes like this:

The only guys who gain significant size are killing themselves with drugs, have superior genetics, and sacrifice every single other area of life to get there.

Someone who subjects themselves to even rudimentary logic would conclude assuming the truth of this that the overwhelmingly vast majority of humans who have ever or will ever live are in no danger of ever having this problem.

But, no, the same people who are convinced that any significant size is beyond their reach right from the start, find it necessary to declare in no uncertain terms that they NEVER EVER want to achieve what they have already decided is impossible anyway.

I really think more of these guys than would care to admit it, waaay down inside would actually like to end up much bigger than they’re saying, but find it comforting to shoot low so as to avoid failure.

My goal is 250 at 10% BF or below and I’m steaming ahead come hell or high water toward that goal. A confession. When I’m alone with myself sometimes before I fall asleep that little voice creeps in and whispers “ya know what, you may have waited too long to gain that much meat and get that lean” I wasted a bunch of years. I CANNOT concentrate on that. As soon as I accept that I can’t achieve my goal it’s an absolute guarantee that I won’t.

Here’s a tip. If you plan to get anywhere at all train and eat like you’re trying gain a hundred pounds. You can always knock it off if you get too close.

Anything less is a complete waste of every last half ass resource you do bring.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The average person will have to work their freaking ass off just to make any form of significant progress at all…progress they won’t make if they start this worrying about how big they do NOT want to be.

That alone is what makes these types of comments ridiculous. It also highlights who the ones are who don’t want to work very hard. I can say that because unless their reason is a pressing need to stay exactly where they are (ie. sports with weight classes that they actively compete in), setting a LIMIT on your own progress before you ever get anywhere close to it is about as lame as you can get.

This is one of the major rubs with me.

There is a kind of schizophrenic, self contradictory, self inflicted syndrome that goes like this:

The only guys who gain significant size are killing themselves with drugs, have superior genetics, and sacrifice every single other area of life to get there.

Someone who subjects themselves to even rudimentary logic would conclude assuming the truth of this that the overwhelmingly vast majority of humans who have ever or will ever live are in no danger of ever having this problem.

But, no, the same people who are convinced that any significant size is beyond their reach right from the start, find it necessary to declare in no uncertain terms that they NEVER EVER want to achieve what they have already decided is impossible anyway.
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My problem is not with these pathetic people you describe. They have every right to be as small as they want. I really don’t care. I train alone, so I never have to endure them while training.

My problem is this - and pardon me for continually using analogies: They are like the loud-mouthed spoiled brat little kids that are allowed to run unfettered in a restaurant. It’s not that I hate kids - but I why can’t their parents just exercise a little authority, and get them to sit down and shut up?

These big-o-phobes seem to think they need to tell everyone - in a bodybuilding forum no less - that this site is not for body builders, or that the downtrodden 10% need protecting. Why? What purpose does it serve?

Just once, I wished there could be a discussion about the quest for size without these douchebags littering the thread.

My goals have been like yours for the last 3 years. 250 @ 10% BF. I found out that my body is either too old, or I put on the weight too fast. Seems that when I get over 235 my BP goes up, and I am nagged by little bullshit injuries.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
<<< and I am nagged by little bullshit injuries. >>>[/quote]

This reminds me of another thing that sometimes has me beating my head on my keyboard. All the little aches and pains, nagging shoulders and all the extra thinking and ego checking that has to go into keeping myself moving ahead.

Here we have a bunch of kids in the prime of life, soaked in all those androgenic anabolic hormones, fresh joints n all talking about not wanting to do what they are right at the very best time of their life to accomplish. Makes me wanna cry. I’d give anything for those years back.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
rainjack wrote:
<<< and I am nagged by little bullshit injuries. >>>

This reminds me of another thing that sometimes has me beating my head on my keyboard. All the little aches and pains, nagging shoulders and all the extra thinking and ego checking that has to go into keeping myself moving ahead.

Here we have a bunch of kids in the prime of life, soaked in all those androgenic anabolic hormones, fresh joints n all talking about not wanting to do what they are right at the very best time of their life to accomplish. Makes me wanna cry. I’d give anything for those years back.[/quote]

My son is 16, and he pisses out more test each morning than I can shoot in my ass in a month.

Maybe that’s where the frustration comes from - these dipshits have no fucking clue what they have.

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Don’t worry you guys, there are some of us who are learning and applying. I feel like I got a very good education from sites like this, and then am relearning everything with a barbell in my hands. At 20 my goal is to be about as freak as my body can manage as long as there are no health issues stopping me(injuries, BP, etc) I plan on getting there in the next 3-5 years. All is not lost.

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Since we’re talking about goals, here’s mine: as big as I can get, at about 10% body fat.

Right now, I’m working on getting my diet back in line. I’ve tried a bunch of different stuff since I started training and eating meat again in '04. Looking back, I see that most of it didn’t work for me. What did work was following Berardi’s Mass Eating principles. So I’m going to eat like a horse, get my lifts moving, and once I’ve progressed beyond bitch weight, I’ll do a cut to drop some of this flab, then back to packing on the muscle.

For training, I recently moved into a much smaller place, and had to put my bench and squat rack into storage, so my options are limited. I think this is a great thing. No more changing things up everytime my progress stalls, got to break through, make the most of what I got. I can do pullups, deadlifts, military presses, lunges, and a few other accessory lifts, but I suck at all of the above. I’m working on cleans so I can front squat, but that’s going to take some time.

I want to be a fire fighter, and am working on my conditioning, but I don’t think 60-90 minutes a week of running, burpees, complexes, jumping rope, etc. will be an obstacle to my progress unless I let it. And I won’t.

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I’ve been on the right track for some time now, but complacency seems to always set in after a while. And it’s threads/moments/experiences like this that really put a lightning bolt up my ass to keep pushing.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

My goals have been like yours for the last 3 years. 250 @ 10% BF. I found out that my body is either too old, or I put on the weight too fast. Seems that when I get over 235 my BP goes up, and I am nagged by little bullshit injuries.

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This is why I believe that if someone is going to even attempt to “bulk up” significantly, it should be done before the ages of 30-35. That gives about one good decade that most of us have to grow the most that we can without a lot of negative stress on the body.

Maybe if people understood how true that whole “time flies” saying is this wouldn’t need to be stated. It kind of reminds me of those guys in college who never went to class but then had this surprised look on their faces when the end of the semester rolled around and they get asked to leave the campus. They knew their time was limited to begin with so why did they sleep until noon for six months?

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As far as the bashing that was going on with me earlier…fine. Perhaps it wasn’t the best thing for me to come in, read a post in the middle of the thread that disturbed me, and point out how I felt. Was I craving special attention? No. And I wasn’t trying to light a fire under anyone’s behind or anything. Someone said this is a site specifically for bodybuilding, and I just simply told him that’s wrong. You can disagree with me on what you think the EMPHASIS of this website is, but I feel I am by no means wrong with what I said about it being more than just bodybuilding.

That said, I personally apologize for rubbing anyone the wrong way and for getting a little heated earlier. While some want to be as huge as possible, some of us just want to be fairly big, but with an emphasis on being trim and athletic as well. For that reason, we still combine bodybuilding aspects into our programs, so this specific bodybuilding forum benefits us to even though we’re not full blown bodybuilders, just as certain power lifts are utilized by body builders, even though they’re not striving for pure power.

I wish luck to those of you who want to be as big as you can possibly get. And I hope you respect my decision (as well as for those who are like me) of being less than huge, but still fairly large, trim, and athletic.

And I don’t think anyone here actually wants to look like that shirtless runner someone posted a pic of earlier. :stuck_out_tongue: I feel like that’s what some of you think of when we say we don’t want to be huge. Like a misconception. Heck, I’d spaz at anyone who wanted to be that small as well.

Ok, I’m just going to back away from this thread now. I’d just like to apologize to rainjack for inappropriately snapping back at you. We appear to be on different sides of the spectrum and disagree with each other, but I got a little too heated with you, or at least more heated then I’d personally like myself to get. I’ll just say that I respectfully disagree and leave it at that.

And I actually have one last thing to say…I can see the point of view given from you elder men who think we’re wasting our time and precious T levels by not getting larger. Just wanted to say that I can see your side of the coin regarding that and understand it must be extremely frustrating to witness. But it doesn’t make us any less of a member or contributor on this site for having different overall goals. The main thing I think everyone needs to keep in mind is that even though we don’t have the same goals, we at times take the same path towards the varying goals we strive for. The difference is that the path eventually splits off into two different directions, but is intertwined again later on down the road. Again, though we may not be bodybuilders by definition, we often take many of the same approaches a bodybuilder does to help us reach the goals we want. Hope I wrote that clear enough to understand.

Anyway, good luck guys.

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I dont consider myself all that big but I have gained about 80lbs of muscle in the last 2 years, and i was never ‘small’ in the first place.

How many other people in my gym have done this? I can think of 1. So, 2 people? I cant count the number of people who have asked me about how I have achevied what I have. I dont lie, i tell them what has worked for ME:
-hard heavy training 5-6x per week.
-6-8 meals per day. EVERYDAY, no excuse.
-8 hours of sleep

Nobody ever follows simple shit like this. Everyone just nods… and 6 months later, looks exactly the same and is likely raving about some uber plan too ‘get big without getting fat’. you do that buddy and gain your 3lbs over 6 months and go from 152 to 155. Ill do things my way and gain 5x that much muscle.

im just ranting now. i should stop.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
pushpulljunkie wrote:
since I started I’ve always had a 6 month goal based on the way I look with a good pump. Always wanted to look like that but relaxed in a 6 month time frame. You can see the goal regularly and it is always forward looking, don’t really get a pat onthe back unless you take pics and compare. The pat on the back comes when everyone calls you ‘big buy’ by default. And I’m not even that big.

I would think the emo goal to be waifish would be demoralizing as you spend time in the gym only to have people assume you don’t work out and are just a skinny shit.

I work with a lot of runners and not one of them look like anything but a skinny dude even with weight training and being insanely ‘ripped’. Just not for me.

I think it comes from my wrestling background, when I started wrestling the guys 4-5 years older then me that were big were intimidating, so I decided I would be more intimidating…started 18 years ago. Trained my ass off for 15 of those years without breaking 200lbs @ 5’11" but not ever losing sight of a 6 pack. I think more to do with playing sports several days a week. Got into lower volume heavy lifting and put on a good 50lbs in 18 months…this is much better.

Good work. I was reading a quote from Ben White in one of the latest Muscular Developments stating that he was weighing about 290lbs when he was benchpressing at powerlifting meets. He said his body fat percentage then was close to 20% and that he credits that initial raw mass he put on for getting to the size he is now.

I am not sure when it went out of favor, but historically, the ones making the most progress from year to year on stage were not the ones who stayed the closest to their competition weight all year long. Even funnier, many of the people who claim no one should bulk up today bulked up themselves to gain their own initial base of muscle mass.

Obviously this is not a recommendation to get to 20% body fat but considering the types of responses lately, that probably needs to be stated in bold letters and red crayon. [/quote]

God, I swear, you’re the only person on this website who still remembers the bodybuilding fundamentals. Everyone else has gone off the deep end. Half of the instructional posts/articles regarding diet on this site don’t even mention anything about calories anymore.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
streamline wrote:

You have yet to see the day you could do one of my workouts. You’re huge so no I can’t come close to you, but I’m a cry baby and you’re the huge guy that couldn’t do my chest and back workout on your best day. Over thirty lifters “need for speed” and I’m fifty plus. If you’re a real man you’ll give it a try.

Didnt you say in another thread that you are a big fan of that P90X thing that they sell on tv? Doesnt that involve a lot of pilates and yoga?[/quote]

I don’t think so. It is more like crossfit as far as I can tell. One of my old teammates did it last year and he looks great. He had some good size to begin with.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
rainjack wrote:
<<< and I am nagged by little bullshit injuries. >>>

This reminds me of another thing that sometimes has me beating my head on my keyboard. All the little aches and pains, nagging shoulders and all the extra thinking and ego checking that has to go into keeping myself moving ahead.

Here we have a bunch of kids in the prime of life, soaked in all those androgenic anabolic hormones, fresh joints n all talking about not wanting to do what they are right at the very best time of their life to accomplish. Makes me wanna cry. I’d give anything for those years back.[/quote]

No joke. I am wasting more time working around nagging injuries and it is costing me progress in the gym.

I have always had a hard time putting on weight even though I ate more than anyone I knew. The only time I ever gained was when I really force fed myself extra.

I would love to go back 15 years and make myself eat all the extra hard boiled eggs, peanut butter sandwiches and cottage cheese when I wasn’t hungry.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
I never made that point. It is sad when you have to continually make shit up to feel like a big boy. I do have a hint for you. We grownups deal in truth. making shit up is not truth. It is what we call lies.

You have never made an attempt at communicating, unless you have redefined the term to mean everyone read what you write because you are the defender of the defenseless. You have basically been called out for being full of shit by at least 3 people in this thread alone. Yet you continue to think your posts mean something.

I sincerely hope you grow up and figure out how to listen and stop lying. At the very least, learn how to read.

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I don’t go into your "I love Care Bears"thread and start ragging on your goals.

Its a fairly blatant implication rainjack. If I percieved it wrong I apologise. I does however mean that that post was nothing more than sneaky insults.

…you insult my upbringing…education…integrity to name but a few.

I honestly am astonished at how immature you appear to be …which I might ad you’ve been refered to as by 2 21 year olds. I do recognise that you have your own reasons for your anger, however unfounded. Don�??t direct it at me with a barrage of degrading comments

I don’t like being called a liar. Its a very sad thing to do over a forum. You’ve consistently insulted both me and others at every turn. Calling me a liar is one of the few ways to really get under my skin…so congrats you did that. I can’t even see what “lies” you could be refering to.

I tried to part ways on decent terms in my last post but you completely disregarded it so I will do so again.

Best wishes

OMC

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Goal is to become an IFBB pro, have a world record bench press, I’m determined, I’ve had my eye on this goal ever since I’ve started training, and it WILL happen, it’s only a matter of time.
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Austin in juggling these two goals do you predominantly train your bench in a powerlifter style or do you flair your elbows? For that matter do you plan on bulkin up as a power lifter and then converting to a BB? Your drive is impressive…keep it going.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Are you kidding me? Do you honestly think most of the “I don’t want to get too HEEYOOGE” crowd has specific goals? Of course they don’t. The average person making this statement doesn’t follow bodybuilding at all and simply thinks they know what they DO NOT want to be as if they have to actively avoid it or it will happen by accident. [/quote]

Maybe there should be an “I like to workout forum”

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[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Are you kidding me? Do you honestly think most of the “I don’t want to get too HEEYOOGE” crowd has specific goals? Of course they don’t. The average person making this statement doesn’t follow bodybuilding at all and simply thinks they know what they DO NOT want to be as if they have to actively avoid it or it will happen by accident.

Maybe there should be an “I like to workout forum”

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Naaaah. 'Cause then we would get someone posting a thread titled, “I do NOT like to workout” and then a bunch of people who hate working out would log in to tell us they exist and all hell would break loose.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jstreet0204 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Are you kidding me? Do you honestly think most of the “I don’t want to get too HEEYOOGE” crowd has specific goals? Of course they don’t. The average person making this statement doesn’t follow bodybuilding at all and simply thinks they know what they DO NOT want to be as if they have to actively avoid it or it will happen by accident.

Maybe there should be an “I like to workout forum”

Naaaah. 'Cause then we would get someone posting a thread titled, “I do NOT like to workout” and then a bunch of people who hate working out would log in to tell us they exist and all hell would break loose.[/quote]

LOL!!! It IS a blast having the Professor back.

Last night I told my wife to go one of her gardening sites and start a thread in the vegetable forum titled “I DO NOT want too many tomatoes” and see what kind of response she gets. She looked at me like a third eye in my forehead or something.

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
Don’t worry you guys, there are some of us who are learning and applying. I feel like I got a very good education from sites like this, and then am relearning everything with a barbell in my hands. At 20 my goal is to be about as freak as my body can manage as long as there are no health issues stopping me(injuries, BP, etc) I plan on getting there in the next 3-5 years. All is not lost. [/quote]

Guys like you are a credit to your generation Scott. Keep at em.