How's It Possible to Total 2300 All Natural?

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.

People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]

Those are some bold claims. Instead of talking shit about desperate mothers performing heroic acts to save their pinned children, why don’t you back your words up with some car lifting videos? Wait, I mean car tilting on its axis like a lever videos.

C’mon, Mr. Muscles. Lift some cars and post it in your log.

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im actually having a hard time telling if you’re sarcastic or just a shitty troll. You’re trying to put an emotional spin on what csulli said to get a pissed off response and you arent going to get it. lol

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:
Bah. Those all looked like small Japanese cars from the 80’s. Where I live in New England you will likely be needing to lift a Volvo, maybe a Subaru wagon if you are lucky. Nobody ever gets pinned under 1980’s beaters up here.
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Right, but we’re not even talking about flipping it, just creating air under one side. I mean have you ever tried it? I think it would shock you how very doable it is.[/quote]

I’m just busting your chops man. Of course I’ve tried picking cars up. We have keg parties here just like anywhere else.

Interesting anecdote about drunken displays of strength: At one of these keggers we were tossing these big heavy stumps into the fire. This ended with a friend of mine actually ending up in the bonfire when her body followed the stump she just tried to throw. Second degree burns all up and down her arm.

She does Crossfit. After the accident she swore off alcohol, but decided to stick with Crossfit. I think she got that one backwards.

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[quote]budreiser wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.

People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]

Those are some bold claims. Instead of talking shit about desperate mothers performing heroic acts to save their pinned children, why don’t you back your words up with some car lifting videos? Wait, I mean car tilting on its axis like a lever videos.

C’mon, Mr. Muscles. Lift some cars and post it in your log.

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im actually having a hard time telling if you’re sarcastic or just a shitty troll. You’re trying to put an emotional spin on what csulli said to get a pissed off response and you arent going to get it. lol[/quote]

I was being sarcastic, but secretly hoping to see some car flipping videos in csulli’s log. After he completes his pullup challenge with Susani, of course.

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.

People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]

Those are some bold claims. Instead of talking shit about desperate mothers performing heroic acts to save their pinned children, why don’t you back your words up with some car lifting videos? Wait, I mean car tilting on its axis like a lever videos.

C’mon, Mr. Muscles. Lift some cars and post it in your log.

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My facebook profile picture is me deadlifting a pick-up truck in a strongman comp, where I competed in the 175 weight class. One guy in my weight class got 6 reps. The best middleweight lifter (235 class) got 14 reps I believe. And this was just a local competition.

In other words, CSulli is absolutely right. It’s hard, but not THAT hard.

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:
After the accident she swore off alcohol, but decided to stick with Crossfit. I think she got that one backwards.
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LOL. I want to frame this and put it on the wall in my gym. No context necessary.

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Guy I played basketball with in highschool had this little car that was some Euro super compact looking thing that several of us picked up and toted between two poles in front of the gym so that he had to take like 30 minutes to seesaw it out

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HERE I AM!!!

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
HERE I AM!!![/quote]

And you say your natty… Liar… Or maybe you are a descendant of an ancient Greek.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
HERE I AM!!![/quote]

Imagine how easy that truck would’ve went up if you had a beard like that guy in the black shirt.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
HERE I AM!!![/quote]

And you say your natty… Liar… Or maybe you are a descendant of an ancient Greek. [/quote]

The key is to go Super Saiyan right before the lift. My power level was well over 9000 at that point.

Saiyan’s are Greek descendants, right?

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
HERE I AM!!![/quote]

Imagine how easy that truck would’ve went up if you had a beard like that guy in the black shirt.
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His beard was pretty awesome. He was one of the guys helping to run the competition. He’s also a truck driver, and supplied the 18-wheeler that we had to pull in our last event.

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Screw a bunch of chimps, Neanderthals, and greeks being the shiznits of strength.

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I’m natural, against steroids (but not any hating or against people who use them… its MY choice for MY life).

I weight 220lbs and i lift 440lbs deadlift - and i do this while on a calorie deficit in cutting. I firmly believe i can get my strength up to 660lbs in the deadlift if not even more without any roids.

I’m not even powerlifter. Nor i want to be. Dont use equipment besides chalk and belt. I even deadlift up to 420 lbs with straight grip no straps.

And here’s the best part - i’m not any genetic freak, i had to work super hard for my gains in strength.
Its not even any world record, i know, my deadlift. I LOVE it, its personal record despite anything - and i DESERVED it with many sacrifices and efforts.

So, OP…

… Are you just… MAKING EXCUSES??

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I didn’t think there was any way this thread could get better

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[quote]csulli wrote:
I didn’t think there was any way this thread could get better[/quote]

There. You’re welcome.

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Actually it can. I’m not even that big. I can post pics if you want to (with the deadlift).

But i’m strong. Sooo… that cross-fuck theory is also kinda very misleading.

According to my own brain - neuromuscular processes and adaptations are the primary reason for increasing the absolute strength.
Also muscle cross-section DOES have positive effect on strength, however according to my brain - it is of much less importance than the beforementioned neuromuscular adaptations which do not require that much of a hypertrophy anyway. Also the myofibrils can become more (meaning the muscle can get bigger) or they can thicken as well (according to Mel Ciff, Supertraining 2006) (meaning the muscles will be slightly bigger but also much more stiffer)
It is actually illogical that the biggest contribution of steroids (still i’m far away form knowing much about them) is from the size of the cross-sectional area.

Positive emotions can help for up to 4 times more strength (Mel Ciff, Supertraining 2006). Yes, its not 80 times your testicles, but hey… Did you put EVERYRTHING you had in the gym?

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.

People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]

Those are some bold claims. Instead of talking shit about desperate mothers performing heroic acts to save their pinned children, why don’t you back your words up with some car lifting videos? Wait, I mean car tilting on its axis like a lever videos.

C’mon, Mr. Muscles. Lift some cars and post it in your log.

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My facebook profile picture is me deadlifting a pick-up truck in a strongman comp, where I competed in the 175 weight class. One guy in my weight class got 6 reps. The best middleweight lifter (235 class) got 14 reps I believe. And this was just a local competition.

In other words, CSulli is absolutely right. It’s hard, but not THAT hard.
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I’m gonna go against the grain and say that it is that hard. In addition to the car deadlift frame improving your leverages, it’s giving you a handle to grip onto. I’m guessing most of the people on here have gotten suckered into helping someone move before, and as we all know, the difficulty often isnt the weight of the objects, but the awkwardness of it. Seems to me there’s a big difference between DL a car on a frame with straps and a belt vs picking up the rear of a car

  1. AT the bumper, not a few feet behind - probably increases the weight in hand by 200ish lbs
  2. with no handles (probably an open hand grip under the bumper) - this in and of itself would make it exponentially harder, like deadlifting 500 lbs on a barbell vs on a 3" axle. One is decent, the other’s beastly
  3. with bent elbows, no belt etc - just a host of other mitigating factors

And when strongmen flip cars in competition, it’s been stripped of the engine, and often the interior. Big difference. Other than Franco doing it with relative ease on those small european cars, I’ve never seen video of it done to a height enough to get someone out of a vehicle (steve justa had a video of him repping a car, but again, it was barely cracked off the ground and it was basically a lockout. Normally it would be a full deadlift or more). I’m skeptical.

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[quote]Mitizaro wrote:
Actually it can. I’m not even that big. I can post pics if you want to (with the deadlift).

But i’m strong. Sooo… that cross-fuck theory is also kinda very misleading.

According to my own brain - neuromuscular processes and adaptations are the primary reason for increasing the absolute strength.
Also muscle cross-section DOES have positive effect on strength, however according to my brain - it is of much less importance than the beforementioned neuromuscular adaptations which do not require that much of a hypertrophy anyway. Also the myofibrils can become more (meaning the muscle can get bigger) or they can thicken as well (according to Mel Ciff, Supertraining 2006) (meaning the muscles will be slightly bigger but also much more stiffer)
It is actually illogical that the biggest contribution of steroids (still i’m far away form knowing much about them) is from the size of the cross-sectional area.

Positive emotions can help for up to 4 times more strength (Mel Ciff, Supertraining 2006). Yes, its not 80 times your testicles, but hey… Did you put EVERYRTHING you had in the gym? [/quote]

GREAT POST

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

  1. AT the bumper, not a few feet behind - probably increases the weight in hand by 200ish lbs
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    This is true, but when you think of just picking up a side of a car off the ground it’s usually on the other axis (from the side) in which case the amount of weight you actually have to move is less than trying to do it longways.

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
2) with no handles (probably an open hand grip under the bumper) - this in and of itself would make it exponentially harder, like deadlifting 500 lbs on a barbell vs on a 3" axle. One is decent, the other’s beastly
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Well not necessarily. You have your whole body up against it. It’s similar to the initiation of a tire flip. Tire flip, even with a 1000lb tire has little at all to do with grip strength. You’re really just pushing your body into the object and leveraging it up on one end.

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
3) with bent elbows, no belt etc - just a host of other mitigating factors
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Don’t think the elbows would be bent at all. Not unless the vehicle was jacked up super high, and in that case you’re pretty much screwed anyhow.

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[quote]Mitizaro wrote:
Actually it can. I’m not even that big. I can post pics if you want to (with the deadlift).

But i’m strong. Sooo… that cross-fuck theory is also kinda very misleading.

According to my own brain - neuromuscular processes and adaptations are the primary reason for increasing the absolute strength.
Also muscle cross-section DOES have positive effect on strength, however according to my brain - it is of much less importance than the beforementioned neuromuscular adaptations which do not require that much of a hypertrophy anyway. Also the myofibrils can become more (meaning the muscle can get bigger) or they can thicken as well (according to Mel Ciff, Supertraining 2006) (meaning the muscles will be slightly bigger but also much more stiffer)
It is actually illogical that the biggest contribution of steroids (still i’m far away form knowing much about them) is from the size of the cross-sectional area.

Positive emotions can help for up to 4 times more strength (Mel Ciff, Supertraining 2006). Yes, its not 80 times your testicles, but hey… Did you put EVERYRTHING you had in the gym? [/quote]

So I was really sad yesterday and deadlifted 250, since I am happy today I should throw a grand on there and take off??

Also, who is this Mel Ciff you speak of?