[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
3) with bent elbows, no belt etc - just a host of other mitigating factors
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Don’t think the elbows would be bent at all. Not unless the vehicle was jacked up super high, and in that case you’re pretty much screwed anyhow.
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You could get under it and try to squat the fucker then.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.
People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]
Those are some bold claims. Instead of talking shit about desperate mothers performing heroic acts to save their pinned children, why don’t you back your words up with some car lifting videos? Wait, I mean car tilting on its axis like a lever videos.
C’mon, Mr. Muscles. Lift some cars and post it in your log.
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My facebook profile picture is me deadlifting a pick-up truck in a strongman comp, where I competed in the 175 weight class. One guy in my weight class got 6 reps. The best middleweight lifter (235 class) got 14 reps I believe. And this was just a local competition.
In other words, CSulli is absolutely right. It’s hard, but not THAT hard.
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I’m gonna go against the grain and say that it is that hard. In addition to the car deadlift frame improving your leverages, it’s giving you a handle to grip onto. I’m guessing most of the people on here have gotten suckered into helping someone move before, and as we all know, the difficulty often isnt the weight of the objects, but the awkwardness of it. Seems to me there’s a big difference between DL a car on a frame with straps and a belt vs picking up the rear of a car
And when strongmen flip cars in competition, it’s been stripped of the engine, and often the interior. Big difference. Other than Franco doing it with relative ease on those small european cars, I’ve never seen video of it done to a height enough to get someone out of a vehicle (steve justa had a video of him repping a car, but again, it was barely cracked off the ground and it was basically a lockout. Normally it would be a full deadlift or more). I’m skeptical. [/quote]
2 and 3) yes. In my mind, I feel like lifting a car at the bumper would be somewhat similar to the feeling of flipping an enormous tire, based on how you would have position yourself and grip it with an open hand.
I really only posted the picture because I felt it was relevant to the conversation, and 2Jars specifically asked CSulli to provide evidence of car-lifting. While it is not DIRECTLY lifting a car off the ground, it happens to be the closest thing I have in my photo album. And fwiw, it’s not like I believe untrained regular dudes are just lifting cars everyday all over the place. I just wanted to give some kind of idea of what the feat is like. It’s hard, but not Superman hard.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Well not necessarily. You have your whole body up against it. It’s similar to the initiation of a tire flip. Tire flip, even with a 1000lb tire has little at all to do with grip strength. You’re really just pushing your body into the object and leveraging it up on one end.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
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Damn, you said it before me. You are truly a great thinker of things.
What I find especially fascinating is that someone has designed and built equipment to help humans lift cars off of the ground for the sake of lifting cars off of the ground.
What I don’t find surprising is that the dude with the rocking beard and black shirt has access to this equipment.
It raises strength by 4 times, not absolute strength.
Also you got me - Mell C Siff, i agree it is a stupid mistake.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
3) with bent elbows, no belt etc - just a host of other mitigating factors
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Don’t think the elbows would be bent at all. Not unless the vehicle was jacked up super high, and in that case you’re pretty much screwed anyhow.
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You could get under it and try to squat the fucker then.[/quote]
Eric Lilliebridge has done this for fun before. He’ll open up your car door, stick his traps up against the top of the opening and just squat that side of the car up and down lol.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.
People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]
Those are some bold claims. Instead of talking shit about desperate mothers performing heroic acts to save their pinned children, why don’t you back your words up with some car lifting videos? Wait, I mean car tilting on its axis like a lever videos.
C’mon, Mr. Muscles. Lift some cars and post it in your log.
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My facebook profile picture is me deadlifting a pick-up truck in a strongman comp, where I competed in the 175 weight class. One guy in my weight class got 6 reps. The best middleweight lifter (235 class) got 14 reps I believe. And this was just a local competition.
In other words, CSulli is absolutely right. It’s hard, but not THAT hard.
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I’m gonna go against the grain and say that it is that hard. In addition to the car deadlift frame improving your leverages, it’s giving you a handle to grip onto. I’m guessing most of the people on here have gotten suckered into helping someone move before, and as we all know, the difficulty often isnt the weight of the objects, but the awkwardness of it. Seems to me there’s a big difference between DL a car on a frame with straps and a belt vs picking up the rear of a car
And when strongmen flip cars in competition, it’s been stripped of the engine, and often the interior. Big difference. Other than Franco doing it with relative ease on those small european cars, I’ve never seen video of it done to a height enough to get someone out of a vehicle (steve justa had a video of him repping a car, but again, it was barely cracked off the ground and it was basically a lockout. Normally it would be a full deadlift or more). I’m skeptical. [/quote]
2 and 3) yes. In my mind, I feel like lifting a car at the bumper would be somewhat similar to the feeling of flipping an enormous tire, based on how you would have position yourself and grip it with an open hand.
I really only posted the picture because I felt it was relevant to the conversation, and 2Jars specifically asked CSulli to provide evidence of car-lifting. While it is not DIRECTLY lifting a car off the ground, it happens to be the closest thing I have in my photo album. And fwiw, it’s not like I believe untrained regular dudes are just lifting cars everyday all over the place. I just wanted to give some kind of idea of what the feat is like. It’s hard, but not Superman hard.
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Look, I think the important thing is that we can all agree that no one would ever possibly be able to do it without massive amounts of steroids.
How many people are going to try to pick up a car this afternoon?? I know I am. Will report back on how it goes. My 455 max dead outta workout perfectly for this ha
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
Look, I think the important thing is that we can all agree that no one would ever possibly be able to do it without massive amounts of steroids.
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I had to run a quick cycle of test just to have enough strength to type this post.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
Look, I think the important thing is that we can all agree that no one would ever possibly be able to do it without massive amounts of steroids.
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I had to run a quick cycle of test just to have enough strength to type this post.[/quote]
My friend’s father works at a Chevrolet plant. He told me that back in the day, if people drove foreign cars to work there, a few guys would tip their car over.
The general public is pathetically weak. I don’t see an elite natty having much struggle if he can get a good hold on the car.
Now if you are talking about a 3500 dually superduty that is a different story.
I have also been told it is pretty easy to pick up Volkswagen bugs for normal human beings.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.
People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]
People have done more than just lift cars, they have pushed very big things and sprinted faster than Usain. Either way this is just mere digression. I never mentioned adrenaline and lifting cars. That’s just a very uncontrolled version of what people are capable of. It’s much more than just force production. 10 years.
[quote]Haldor wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.
People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]
People have done more than just lift cars, they have pushed very big things and sprinted faster than Usain. Either way this is just mere digression. I never mentioned adrenaline and lifting cars. That’s just a very uncontrolled version of what people are capable of. It’s much more than just force production. 10 years.[/quote]
Yea keep us posted on that, sounds pretty hysterical to me. But you know what you’re probably right and I’m just a hater, you found the secret that olympic trainers and other high level professionals never use. Will you also be using your new found talent to go to the olympics and beat Usain’s records? Sorry if I sound like a dick here but come on lol
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
3) with bent elbows, no belt etc - just a host of other mitigating factors
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Don’t think the elbows would be bent at all. Not unless the vehicle was jacked up super high, and in that case you’re pretty much screwed anyhow.
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You could get under it and try to squat the fucker then.[/quote]
NO, NO, NO, like this.
flipcollar, a car DL, on a frame, really isnt even close to the same thing. Yes, the frame probably weighs close to 500, but in hand it probably takes 250, MAYBE 300lbs of force to lift from one end
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
2) with no handles (probably an open hand grip under the bumper) - this in and of itself would make it exponentially harder, like deadlifting 500 lbs on a barbell vs on a 3" axle. One is decent, the other’s beastly
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Well not necessarily. You have your whole body up against it. It’s similar to the initiation of a tire flip. Tire flip, even with a 1000lb tire has little at all to do with grip strength. You’re really just pushing your body into the object and leveraging it up on one end.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
3) with bent elbows, no belt etc - just a host of other mitigating factors
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Don’t think the elbows would be bent at all. Not unless the vehicle was jacked up super high, and in that case you’re pretty much screwed anyhow.
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I’ll admit I’m not really 100% sure, but it seems that shortening the axis (by lifting from the side) means you’re closer to the center of gravity, meaning more true weight is in hand - do you disagree?
I dont think the tire analogy fits, because while I agree it’s not a grip thing, the rubber has a higher degree of friction than the metal on the car, and the size of the tire means you’re able to get your arms around it a bit, unlike with the car.
Elbows might be bent depending how far underneath the car you wanted to get your hands - if you could get a perch very close to the edge, you might be right.
The more I think about this, the more I think that, I dunno, less than 1% of the lifting public could do this?
And I agree, squatting it would be completely different, poundstone has a video of him doing that as well, but I’ve never seen video of people lifting cars (other than Franco)
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I think that, I dunno, less than 1% of the lifting public could do this?
(other than Franco)[/quote]
Yet, less than 1% of a decently sized number is still quite a few people that could do it.
Picked up the back end of an old Datsun truck last night. Hell yeah… I was pumped… Back end much easier to get up than front end by the way…
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Picked up the back end of an old Datsun truck last night. Hell yeah… I was pumped… Back end much easier to get up than front end by the way…[/quote]
Who would have guessed? lol.
[quote]Haldor wrote:
People have done more than just lift cars, they have pushed very big things and sprinted faster than Usain. [/quote]
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF THIS?
I’m referring to the ‘faster than Usain’ part. How in the world would you know this has happened, ever? If someone was timed (they would have to, otherwise the claim is laughable), then that means it was done in some sort of controlled environment. If that’s true, why would said person not compete in the Olympics, set world records, and make millions of dollars?
I see a lot of bullshit on the internet. We all do. Those videos of Japanese martial artists/magicians who can knock people out with their mind is a great example. Those people are buying into some absolute crazy shit (kinda like what you’re doing). Because it’s something they want to believe. They’re willing to throw the rigorous standards of the scientific method aside because their world is enhanced by the belief that crazy things are true.
I welcome you to prove me wrong. That’d be awesome if you could. And if by chance you can’t do that, maybe just show me something that’s moderately convincing. Basically, whatever source is leading you to believe this to be true is what I’d like to see.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Picked up the back end of an old Datsun truck last night. Hell yeah… I was pumped… Back end much easier to get up than front end by the way…[/quote]
Who would have guessed? lol.[/quote]
Yeah, its not like there is a giant metal weight in the front end killing the leverage benefit or anything.
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I think that, I dunno, less than 1% of the lifting public could do this?
(other than Franco)[/quote]
Yet, less than 1% of a decently sized number is still quite a few people that could do it. [/quote]
No it’s not. Not going to say that it’s impossible, but again, I’d like to see video evidence of it, and if you have to be in the 99th percentile to do something, then that does not describe “hard, but not that hard” as was first stated … IF “less than 1%” is even approximate. It may be less than 1/2 of one percent, it may only be a handful