How's It Possible to Total 2300 All Natural?

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Haldor wrote:
My opinion is that if you took a Neanderthal or an ancient Greek and put him to work at Westside for a few years he would be stronger than anyone on the same diet and program. Drug free.[/quote]
Not the same thing at all. You’re changing your story. I won’t argue that if you got some genetically gifted badass from back in the day and put him to work at Quads gym then he’d probably end up stronger than almost any other natural dude from nowadays under the same parameters. But that’s not the fuckin statement you made dawg. You said they were just way stronger than our guys, which is totally absurd lol.[/quote]

You dudes be arguing about men too much here. Why you gotz to ruin things all the time by talking about muscles and sweaty men both modern and ancient? Starting to feel a little homoerotic in this thread. Might have to make my exit and go back to the greatest actresses of all time thread. Damn.

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[quote]T-Fal wrote:

My numbers only gone up. . .why be such a h8er? Nobody stuck a needle in your ass and butt hurt you brah–you did it yourself.
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It sounds like you’re suggesting I’ve done steroids. I have not. I’ve been pretty specific about that for several years on these boards.

That’s really all I wanted to address in this post. I’m done here.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]T-Fal wrote:

My numbers only gone up. . .why be such a h8er? Nobody stuck a needle in your ass and butt hurt you brah–you did it yourself.
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It sounds like you’re suggesting I’ve done steroids. I have not. I’ve been pretty specific about that for several years on these boards.

That’s really all I wanted to address in this post. I’m done here.[/quote]

Everyone that is bigger and stronger than little guys who think they are “hard-gainers” (whatever the fuck that means) is apparently on steroids.

I mean for christ’s sake, I get asked if I am taking anything on a regular basis. I am normally about 215 without abs, and barely deadlift double bodyweight haha.

The truth is that the general public is pathetic, and that if you crack 3 plates on a bench for a few reps, or 4 plates for a few reps squatting/deadlifting, you’re on roids.

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Had unlimited potential but joined wwe…

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[quote] Everyone that is bigger and stronger than little guys who think they are “hard-gainers” (whatever the fuck that means) is apparently on steroids.

I mean for christ’s sake, I get asked if I am taking anything on a regular basis. I am normally about 215 without abs, and barely deadlift double bodyweight haha.

The truth is that the general public is pathetic, and that if you crack 3 plates on a bench for a few reps, or 4 plates for a few reps squatting/deadlifting, you’re on roids.[/quote]

This is truth. I remember the first time I saw a guy squat 5 plates and I thought he was on roids and he would always say how he’s not that strong. Now I understand how strong strong is and I’m not that strong either, 370-265-460 is ok, yet average gym rats in my school gym saw me grinding out my 390 defict deadlifts and they ask me what I’m taking and I’m like what do you mean, this is baby weight. One of the reasons I don’t go to my dank as university gym anymore, my gym has guys putting up some great numbers and it’s soooooo much better to train with dudes stronger than you. We’re kind of like a ghetto brotherhood now that we forged by giving each other spots and head nods as we walk by.

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Yeah but guys lets face it, being asked/accused of being on roids when you’re not is a pretty nice compliment (even if it is from someone who doesn’t have a clue).

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[quote]Haldor wrote:
Let it be known here and now I plan to be the first person to total 2000 @ 190-200lb DRUG FREE. It will happen. Mark my words and watch me in 10 years. [/quote]
Lol you and me both bud. What’s your plan for adding over 900 pounds to your total in the next 10 years?

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[quote]Haldor wrote:

[quote] Everyone that is bigger and stronger than little guys who think they are “hard-gainers” (whatever the fuck that means) is apparently on steroids.

I mean for christ’s sake, I get asked if I am taking anything on a regular basis. I am normally about 215 without abs, and barely deadlift double bodyweight haha.

The truth is that the general public is pathetic, and that if you crack 3 plates on a bench for a few reps, or 4 plates for a few reps squatting/deadlifting, you’re on roids.[/quote]

This is truth. I remember the first time I saw a guy squat 5 plates and I thought he was on roids and he would always say how he’s not that strong. Now I understand how strong strong is and I’m not that strong either, 370-265-460 is ok, yet average gym rats in my school gym saw me grinding out my 390 defict deadlifts and they ask me what I’m taking and I’m like what do you mean, this is baby weight. One of the reasons I don’t go to my dank as university gym anymore, my gym has guys putting up some great numbers and it’s soooooo much better to train with dudes stronger than you. We’re kind of like a ghetto brotherhood now that we forged by giving each other spots and head nods as we walk by.
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Yeah, and all the assisted dudes I know still give me respect despite my average lifts. It really just comes down to how bad you want it and how far you are willing to go for what you want.

You can tell when someone is the real deal, and when they are just there to look at girls who wear yoga pants so that guys will look at them so they can act offended and feel good about themselves.

To the OP…If you haven’t hit a PR in a few months with your shitty hardgainer genetics, then aim to break some blood vessels in your eyes for a few weeks in a row and eat some pizza/chocolate milk. The rest will happen. Maybe not to the Dan Green/Ed Coan/Bill Kazmaier level, but SOMETHING will happen.

If you are so worried about your health, then go play call of duty or ride a bike or some other shit.

The truth is that we weren’t all meant to do this sport, and it doesn’t sound like you are willing to do what it takes and be accountable.

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Lol this thread has me white girling

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[quote]Wector wrote:

[quote]Haldor wrote:
My opinion is that if you took a Neanderthal or an ancient Greek and put him to work at Westside for a few years he would be stronger than anyone on the same diet and program. Drug free.

Also in relevance to the other topic, I personally feel that there is nothing wrong with a grown ass person and athlete wanting to take his craft to the next level using PEDs, however I really don’t approve (and it’s not my place to do so) of them claiming to be drug free. Like, whatever man, do your thing, but don’t front like it’s all you, you would’ve never gotten to that level without enhancement. It’s all a social construct anyway, they can’t just walk around openly stating that they’re on substances because then they won’t be allowed to compete even though everyone knows that everyone else is on something. This whole “let’s pretend like everyone is natural” mindset in sports is dumb if you ask me, but it is what it is.

Anyway. I plan to stay drug free for as long as I can. However I have a plan:

Let it be known here and now I plan to be the first person to total 2000 @ 190-200lb DRUG FREE. It will happen. Mark my words and watch me in 10 years. [/quote]

I think Ancient Greeks are overexaggarated. They are just like us, modern humans. ( Homo Sapiens sapiens ). So their maximum Powerlifting Totals would be in same ballpark as todays top Powerlifters.

But for Neandarthels, I agree with you. They are different species , and as I read they were much stronger than us. [/quote]

Well I was thinking this same thing. But now that Wector said it, I cant be sure.

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[quote]tylerkeen42 wrote:

[quote]Haldor wrote:
Let it be known here and now I plan to be the first person to total 2000 @ 190-200lb DRUG FREE. It will happen. Mark my words and watch me in 10 years. [/quote]
Lol you and me both bud. What’s your plan for adding over 900 pounds to your total in the next 10 years?[/quote]

Hysterical strength. Using ancient wisdom and neuroscience I am learning to control non-constant tetanic contractions in my muscles. The hard part will actually be learning to instantly recover from this. I’m not crazy btw.

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[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.

People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.

People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]

Those are some bold claims. Instead of talking shit about desperate mothers performing heroic acts to save their pinned children, why don’t you back your words up with some car lifting videos? Wait, I mean car tilting on its axis like a lever videos.

C’mon, Mr. Muscles. Lift some cars and post it in your log.

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.

People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]

Those are some bold claims. Instead of talking shit about desperate mothers performing heroic acts to save their pinned children, why don’t you back your words up with some car lifting videos? Wait, I mean car tilting on its axis like a lever videos.

C’mon, Mr. Muscles. Lift some cars and post it in your log.
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I’m not talking shit about anyone. That’s just the physics of it. It’s a measurable amount of force, and it is not nearly as much as people probably imagine that it is.

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.

People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]

Those are some bold claims. Instead of talking shit about desperate mothers performing heroic acts to save their pinned children, why don’t you back your words up with some car lifting videos? Wait, I mean car tilting on its axis like a lever videos.

C’mon, Mr. Muscles. Lift some cars and post it in your log.

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There’s been tons of low-mid level strongmen flipping them no problem. “Hysterical strength” just isn’t quite as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Strength training literally serves to shrink the gap between that and your “normal” strength. If you get strong, you’re not going to see some kind of huge difference. It’s not like a mom could tilt up a car so a strongman in that scenario could tilt up a tank lol. That’s not how it works.

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[quote]csulli wrote:
It’s not like a mom could tilt up a car so a strongman in that scenario could tilt up a tank lol. That’s not how it works.[/quote]
Bullshit. That’s exactly how it works. Here’s proof:

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Hell the car deadlift is similar. And I have fucking done that lol. It’s just tilting it on the more difficult axis, although they give you that longer lever to hold onto which makes it easy (relatively speaking).

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
It’s not like a mom could tilt up a car so a strongman in that scenario could tilt up a tank lol. That’s not how it works.[/quote]
Bullshit. That’s exactly how it works. Here’s proof:

The Hulk wasn’t natty though

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Haldor wrote:
Hysterical strength.[/quote]
Over-rated imo. That’s a big part of what training is about already. Lessening the gap between your true, maximum potential strength and the strength readily available for you to use in any normal circumstance.

People always say shit about “Oh but adrenaline and lifting cars” and whatever. They act like under the right adrenaline fueled circumstances you’re gonna be 10x as strong. You’re not. First of all no one is actually lifting a car; they’re just slightly tilting up one side of it. It doesn’t actually take THAT much force (relatively speaking) to do that. You’re just tilting it on an axis like a lever. Only a fraction of the weight is actually being moved.[/quote]

Those are some bold claims. Instead of talking shit about desperate mothers performing heroic acts to save their pinned children, why don’t you back your words up with some car lifting videos? Wait, I mean car tilting on its axis like a lever videos.

C’mon, Mr. Muscles. Lift some cars and post it in your log.

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There’s been tons of low-mid level strongmen flipping them no problem. “Hysterical strength” just isn’t quite as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Strength training literally serves to shrink the gap between that and your “normal” strength. If you get strong, you’re not going to see some kind of huge difference. It’s not like a mom could tilt up a car so a strongman in that scenario could tilt up a tank lol. That’s not how it works.[/quote]

Bah. Those all looked like small Japanese cars from the 80’s. Where I live in New England you will likely be needing to lift a Volvo, maybe a Subaru wagon if you are lucky. Nobody ever gets pinned under 1980’s beaters up here.

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:
Bah. Those all looked like small Japanese cars from the 80’s. Where I live in New England you will likely be needing to lift a Volvo, maybe a Subaru wagon if you are lucky. Nobody ever gets pinned under 1980’s beaters up here.
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Right, but we’re not even talking about flipping it, just creating air under one side. I mean have you ever tried it? I think it would shock you how very doable it is.