I was just thinking about this earlier today. Why the hell won’t somebody else to all the work and tell me exactly how to live!!! I’m tired of having to do all this thinking and planning crap myself…
[quote]mcook123 wrote:
This is a message to everyone out there: Stop taking pills for every problem you have. Everyone gets sad sometimes. It does not mean you are clinically depressed. [/quote]
There’s a big difference between being ‘sad’ and being depressed,clinically depressed.
I used to bitch about this guy I worked with before,because he would go round telling people at work that he was suicidal after his girlfriend left him,and was on anti-depressants,and would sometimes take time off as he was depressed.I would bitch about him to the other guys behind his back,saying much the same thing ‘He’s depressed? we’re all f**king depressed mate,this job sucks!’ I didn’t believe in it as a clinical condition.I just thought he should ‘man the fuck up’
Karma’s a bitch…
I never fully sppreciated the distinction,until I suffered from it after suddenly being fired from a live-in job, (fired unjustly,I believe) making me unemployed and homeless in one day. some other personal family shit happened around then too.
I had a mental breakdown for a while,followed by depression.
Once you have it,believe me,you won’t mistake it for anything else.Sadness? feeling a bit down?
That will seem like a fucking golden age if you get major depression. Nothing matters anymore.
sex.food.sleep.job.hobbies.friends.family.
My best friends who usually made me laugh seemed distant,like I was on a totally different level to them,they tried raising my spirits.It’s like I was behind a sheet of glass and they couldn’t hear me,or they were muted or something,when I talked to them about it,it was like I didn’t know where the words were coming from,It was just flowing out of me without me thinking.
Sadness comes and goes,depression is still there next week,the week after,and so on.
I contemplated suicide and craved the release of it,I sometimes would just lay in bed all day and do nothing,not cos I felt tired or lazy,I just felt POINTLESS. IRRELEVANT. When I mean I would lie there and do nothing,I measn NOTHING.No internet/TV/radio/books,just emptiness.
I could just sit and stare at a blank wall or look out of the window for like an hour.
I wouldn’t shave for a week or two,sometimes not wash,stay up all night just full of self-hatred.I would snap and lose my temper and shout and swear in public places at the smallest annoyance.This was replaced by total apathy,I would trudge the streets for hours,no particular destination,no objective,I would stare people out,give them dirty looks,deliberately bump into people,hoping to start a fight.I gave up looking for a fight but carried on,hoping someone would beat the shit out of me or stab me.
I tried to time my road crossings to get hit by a bus,or would just walk out in the road without looking,waiting for the impact.But I was too much of a pussy,it might go wrong.I would break down crying at small setbacks…this is not sadness,this is depression.
A chemical imbalance or major trauma will cause depression.
You may need help with it…
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Strong words:
Dr. Jonny Bowden:
Doctors don’t know dick about nutrition
There was a doctor (GP) who used to post here a few years ago that pretty much corroborated what Bill is saying though. I had a few long conversations with him about preventable lifestyle induced maladies. His method was: Dietary and lifestyle changes first and when they wouldn’t do it, which was just about every time, out came the pad on their next visit because it was that or nothing.
The greatest evil about this in my opinion is that the public is now convinced that drugs and surgery are now practically viewed like taking an aspirin was 50 years ago. Just routine. It’s almost automatic to assume that anything “wrong” with you is an instant prescription.
I’ve told my story 1000 times here how I took my blood sugar from routinely over 500 and blood pressure that was 180 over 110 both down to normal completely on my own without a single dose of any drug of any kind.[/quote]
Unfortunately, your attitude is few and far between. Most people could cure (or, at the very least, greatly improve) their high blood pressure, cholesterol, or Type-II Diabetes. It’s really not rocket science, but it takes more effort than people want to put forth. When it comes to diet and exercise, most people feel overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of fad diets and misinformation in pop culture that a prescription pad seems pretty simple.
Doctors are not trained to provide good diet and exercise advice; med school focuses on different things. A guy like BBB in every community would be a damn near utopia, but it’s not going to happen. So, what we’re left with is people who don’t want to grab hold of their conditions and figure out how best to deal with them. I can also see how some blame could be put on doctor’s for not giving good advice, but again, “eating less and moving more” (which is the perfect start for these patients) is not that hard to comprehend.
Lastly, a lot people feel overwhelmed with having a “condition” and it scares a lot of them. Most people think that they have high blood pressure or cholesterol and that this is something they HAVE to live with for the rest of their lives. They are obviously wrong, but they don’t know that. It takes people grappling, mentally and physically, with their condition to have that epiphany. To expect that from people who developed these conditions in the first place is a little bit far-fetched, I think.
oh, and Red Dward kicks ass
[quote]engerland66 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Strong words:
Dr. Jonny Bowden:
Doctors don’t know dick about nutrition
There was a doctor (GP) who used to post here a few years ago that pretty much corroborated what Bill is saying though. I had a few long conversations with him about preventable lifestyle induced maladies. His method was: Dietary and lifestyle changes first and when they wouldn’t do it, which was just about every time, out came the pad on their next visit because it was that or nothing.
The greatest evil about this in my opinion is that the public is now convinced that drugs and surgery are now practically viewed like taking an aspirin was 50 years ago. Just routine. It’s almost automatic to assume that anything “wrong” with you is an instant prescription.
I’ve told my story 1000 times here how I took my blood sugar from routinely over 500 and blood pressure that was 180 over 110 both down to normal completely on my own without a single dose of any drug of any kind.
Unfortunately, your attitude is few and far between. Most people could cure (or, at the very least, greatly improve) their high blood pressure, cholesterol, or Type-II Diabetes. It’s really not rocket science, but it takes more effort than people want to put forth. When it comes to diet and exercise, most people feel overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of fad diets and misinformation in pop culture that a prescription pad seems pretty simple.
Doctors are not trained to provide good diet and exercise advice; med school focuses on different things. A guy like BBB in every community would be a damn near utopia, but it’s not going to happen. So, what we’re left with is people who don’t want to grab hold of their conditions and figure out how best to deal with them. I can also see how some blame could be put on doctor’s for not giving good advice, but again, “eating less and moving more” (which is the perfect start for these patients) is not that hard to comprehend.
Lastly, a lot people feel overwhelmed with having a “condition” and it scares a lot of them. Most people think that they have high blood pressure or cholesterol and that this is something they HAVE to live with for the rest of their lives. They are obviously wrong, but they don’t know that. It takes people grappling, mentally and physically, with their condition to have that epiphany. To expect that from people who developed these conditions in the first place is a little bit far-fetched, I think.[/quote]
Very very good indeed and my hat is also off to bushy as well.
The very first step is recognizing that a quite significant number of these problems are largely self inflicted. I drank too much, ate like shit and sat around despite having extensive previous successful experience with nutrition and weight training.
You’re right, it isn’t rocket science. All I did was put the old knowledge into play along with hitting the weights like a madman and in well less than a year my blood pressure was normal, blood sugar very close most of the time and I had lost literally a foot off my mid section.
Now, 3 years later, while I’m not as big as I’d like to be, I look like I train and am told so pretty regularly. A lady I used to work with before I lost my job, but did some side work for then just called me to do some more and I saw the look on her face. She giggled a little bit and said “who the hell are you?” That feels great.
[quote]mcook123 wrote:
Most if this serotonin will remain in the gastrointestinal tract, but a very small amount will cross the blood-brain barrier (serotonin does not cross the blood-brain barrier so only the 5-HTP that has not already been metabolized, which will be a fairly small amount since the metabolism of 5-HTP is fairly rapid, will make it’s way into the brain and form serotonin.
So, looking at this from a biochemical standpoint, the idea of using 5-HTP to combat depression does not hold up to the facts. [/quote]
Nothing entails 100% efficacy. 80% of your serotonin receptors are in your gut… Haven’t you ever heard of gut functioning being intimatly related to proper mental functioning? It seems like 5-HTP would be a MUCH better solution than keeping old serotonin jumping in between your neurons. SSRI’s are toxins, plain and simple. Not that I am some hardcore alternative medicine messiah- it’s just the truth.
Not trying to be abrasive or anything.
When I developed intestinal problems and went to a doctor, he gave me a Rx for meds and told me to be on my way. When I asked him if diet had any influence on it, he said no. It’s bullshit like this, turning a blind eye, that pisses me off to no end.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
engerland66 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Strong words:
Dr. Jonny Bowden:
Doctors don’t know dick about nutrition
There was a doctor (GP) who used to post here a few years ago that pretty much corroborated what Bill is saying though. I had a few long conversations with him about preventable lifestyle induced maladies. His method was: Dietary and lifestyle changes first and when they wouldn’t do it, which was just about every time, out came the pad on their next visit because it was that or nothing.
The greatest evil about this in my opinion is that the public is now convinced that drugs and surgery are now practically viewed like taking an aspirin was 50 years ago. Just routine. It’s almost automatic to assume that anything “wrong” with you is an instant prescription.
I’ve told my story 1000 times here how I took my blood sugar from routinely over 500 and blood pressure that was 180 over 110 both down to normal completely on my own without a single dose of any drug of any kind.
Unfortunately, your attitude is few and far between. Most people could cure (or, at the very least, greatly improve) their high blood pressure, cholesterol, or Type-II Diabetes. It’s really not rocket science, but it takes more effort than people want to put forth. When it comes to diet and exercise, most people feel overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of fad diets and misinformation in pop culture that a prescription pad seems pretty simple.
Doctors are not trained to provide good diet and exercise advice; med school focuses on different things. A guy like BBB in every community would be a damn near utopia, but it’s not going to happen. So, what we’re left with is people who don’t want to grab hold of their conditions and figure out how best to deal with them. I can also see how some blame could be put on doctor’s for not giving good advice, but again, “eating less and moving more” (which is the perfect start for these patients) is not that hard to comprehend.
Lastly, a lot people feel overwhelmed with having a “condition” and it scares a lot of them. Most people think that they have high blood pressure or cholesterol and that this is something they HAVE to live with for the rest of their lives. They are obviously wrong, but they don’t know that. It takes people grappling, mentally and physically, with their condition to have that epiphany. To expect that from people who developed these conditions in the first place is a little bit far-fetched, I think.
Very very good indeed and my hat is also off to bushy as well.
The very first step is recognizing that a quite significant number of these problems are largely self inflicted. I drank too much, ate like shit and sat around despite having extensive previous successful experience with nutrition and weight training.
You’re right, it isn’t rocket science. All I did was put the old knowledge into play along with hitting the weights like a madman and in well less than a year my blood pressure was normal, blood sugar very close most of the time and I had lost literally a foot off my mid section.
Now, 3 years later, while I’m not as big as I’d like to be, I look like I train and am told so pretty regularly. A lady I used to work with before I lost my job, but did some side work for then just called me to do some more and I saw the look on her face. She giggled a little bit and said “who the hell are you?” That feels great.[/quote]
I’m with you. There are so many variables that go into why people don’t do these things that it’s not even worth discussing. The funny thing is, if you used a marketable diet or exercise plan, you would be a goldmine. Instead, you got to where you are with graft and being honest with yourself. Boring!
Seriously, it’s good to hear stories like this.
On the subject of doctors not knowing dick…
I recently went to my local GP with two problems:
- A hard lump in my hand thats getting bigger and more painful week by week. Can no longer hold things tightly in left hand.
- A shoulder/bicep injury from going apeshit on my bench press. Been there for almost 3 months… can no longer even do pushups.
These two injuries combined with the exams I recently had really killed my drive to train… consequently I am now weak and fat as hell… and its just getting me down a lot. Im going to try and start up training again soon - just waiting until results day on the 30th… may have resits to do a week after you see. But anyway - its all having a big impact on my life/happiness.
Went to the doctor…
First up was the bump on hand - The doctor lay my hand flat on table and poked around in the wrong places and then proclaimed she couldnt find it - despite me prodding the location myself and saying that if the hand is layed flat its very difficult to locate.
Just so you know this sucker is about the size of a pea now, very tender to the touch and is sitting DEEP under the skin - around the bones and connective tissue.
I was then told that I should ignore it… I told her that it was getting increasingly painful and that I would feel more comfortable knowing exactly what it is. Now without any scans or even touching the damn thing she stood up, leaned over me in my chair and said:
“In laymans terms - you have a collection of tissue under the skin”
I could have chinned the cow there and then… OF COURSE IT IS YOU DUMB BITCH - BELIEVE IT OR NOT WHEN I FIND WEIRD PAINFUL LUMPS IN MY BODY I USUALLY TRY TO DO SOME RESEARCH MYSELF…I didnt say anything of course… but I was damn angry that she referred to me as a layman when i had spent several days researching on specific hand related issues… not just that but I have basic anatomical knowledge from my several years of lifting (and getting injured).
She then moved on swiftly to my shoulder… no scans… prodding in the wrong places… not listening to me when I said where the pain was located and what triggered it.
This injury by the way affects a narrow band down the inside of my bicep and has a seperate pain right up where the shoulder meets the chest.
She asked how I did it… “Weightlifting” I said simply…
“You were lifting heavy objects?”
“…yes.”
facepamlm
She then sat me down despite me saying that Ive had it for about 3 months now with a lot of rest and I cant even do a pushup.
I was told that I should have been taking “painkillers” to “speed up the recovery process”… I was dumbfounded so I asked: “I wasnt aware that taking painkillers would provide a mechanism for tissue repair - I didn’t take painkillers because I thought it would be best to know when I was agitating the injury to prevent further damage.”
She looked at me like I was an idiot (or a “layman”) and said again “taking painkillers will recover the muscle faster”
When I explained again that I would like to know what it was… I was told that it was a “muscle strain” and that I should stop all activity and take painkillers.
I said that between the two complaints how long would it be before I could return to lifting.
“Maybe never - you can find something else to do like running or cycling.”
I told her I was quite anxious because I really wanted to get this sorted… she continually brushed away me asking for treatment… eventually she signed me up for a physio for my arm.
As for my lump? I was told that if I had surgery I wouldnt be able to use my hand for years because the tissue is so delicate.
I dont even know if anyone will read this…
But I fucking hate doctors.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
benmoore wrote:
On the subject of doctors not knowing dick…
I recently went to my local GP with two problems:
- A hard lump in my hand thats getting bigger and more painful week by week. Can no longer hold things tightly in left hand.
- A shoulder/bicep injury from going apeshit on my bench press. Been there for almost 3 months… can no longer even do pushups.
These two injuries combined with the exams I recently had really killed my drive to train… consequently I am now weak and fat as hell… and its just getting me down a lot. Im going to try and start up training again soon - just waiting until results day on the 30th… may have resits to do a week after you see. But anyway - its all having a big impact on my life/happiness.
Went to the doctor…
First up was the bump on hand - The doctor lay my hand flat on table and poked around in the wrong places and then proclaimed she couldnt find it - despite me prodding the location myself and saying that if the hand is layed flat its very difficult to locate.
Just so you know this sucker is about the size of a pea now, very tender to the touch and is sitting DEEP under the skin - around the bones and connective tissue.
I was then told that I should ignore it… I told her that it was getting increasingly painful and that I would feel more comfortable knowing exactly what it is. Now without any scans or even touching the damn thing she stood up, leaned over me in my chair and said:
“In laymans terms - you have a collection of tissue under the skin”
I could have chinned the cow there and then… OF COURSE IT IS YOU DUMB BITCH - BELIEVE IT OR NOT WHEN I FIND WEIRD PAINFUL LUMPS IN MY BODY I USUALLY TRY TO DO SOME RESEARCH MYSELF…I didnt say anything of course… but I was damn angry that she referred to me as a layman when i had spent several days researching on specific hand related issues… not just that but I have basic anatomical knowledge from my several years of lifting (and getting injured).
She then moved on swiftly to my shoulder… no scans… prodding in the wrong places… not listening to me when I said where the pain was located and what triggered it.
This injury by the way affects a narrow band down the inside of my bicep and has a seperate pain right up where the shoulder meets the chest.
She asked how I did it… “Weightlifting” I said simply…
“You were lifting heavy objects?”
“…yes.”
facepamlm
She then sat me down despite me saying that Ive had it for about 3 months now with a lot of rest and I cant even do a pushup.
I was told that I should have been taking “painkillers” to “speed up the recovery process”… I was dumbfounded so I asked: “I wasnt aware that taking painkillers would provide a mechanism for tissue repair - I didn’t take painkillers because I thought it would be best to know when I was agitating the injury to prevent further damage.”
She looked at me like I was an idiot (or a “layman”) and said again “taking painkillers will recover the muscle faster”
When I explained again that I would like to know what it was… I was told that it was a “muscle strain” and that I should stop all activity and take painkillers.
I said that between the two complaints how long would it be before I could return to lifting.
“Maybe never - you can find something else to do like running or cycling.”
I told her I was quite anxious because I really wanted to get this sorted… she continually brushed away me asking for treatment… eventually she signed me up for a physio for my arm.
As for my lump? I was told that if I had surgery I wouldnt be able to use my hand for years because the tissue is so delicate.
I dont even know if anyone will read this…
But I fucking hate doctors.
I suggest you have biceps tendonitis, but in the short head, not the long one.
The lump might be a ganglion cyst if it’s on the anterior/palmar surface. This occurs when the lubricating sheath around one of the flexor tendons begins to extrude a ‘bulb’ or balloon of lubricating fluid, out of the confined space, towards an area of less tissue pressure.
The oldschool treatment used to be to whack it with a bible, lol. Needless to say, don’t do this. Unfortunately I can’t really give you an alternative as everyone I know who sees a Dr about this just gets brushed off.
Having said that, I suspect that a combination of fascial release of the forearm flexors, with gentle, sustained direct pressure on the growth, might make it flow back into place.
BBB[/quote]
Bicep tendonitis was something I suspected…
However I was puzzled as I could still curl, row with a pronated grip and chin with a neutral grip with minimal discomfort…
However pronated pullups, neutral rowing pissed off the injury quite heavily.
The pain sits in the upper half of the bicep and towards the inner side.
If I stand up and place my left palm on my left thigh and press that palm in towards the body I feel the pain the bicep.
If I stand up and hold my left arm out infront of me and whilst keeping the arm straight and paralell to the floor - move it to point to my right hand side… I feel a point much higher up - not quite pec but not quite arm… towards the armpit but slightly higher.
Benching and variations causes the most pain without a doubt.
[quote]Ace Rimmer wrote:
mcook123 wrote:
This is a message to everyone out there: Stop taking pills for every problem you have. Everyone gets sad sometimes. It does not mean you are clinically depressed.
There’s a big difference between being ‘sad’ and being depressed,clinically depressed.
I used to bitch about this guy I worked with before,because he would go round telling people at work that he was suicidal after his girlfriend left him,and was on anti-depressants,and would sometimes take time off as he was depressed.I would bitch about him to the other guys behind his back,saying much the same thing ‘He’s depressed? we’re all f**king depressed mate,this job sucks!’ I didn’t believe in it as a clinical condition.I just thought he should ‘man the fuck up’
Karma’s a bitch…
I never fully sppreciated the distinction,until I suffered from it after suddenly being fired from a live-in job, (fired unjustly,I believe) making me unemployed and homeless in one day. some other personal family shit happened around then too.
I had a mental breakdown for a while,followed by depression.
Once you have it,believe me,you won’t mistake it for anything else.Sadness? feeling a bit down?
That will seem like a fucking golden age if you get major depression. Nothing matters anymore.
sex.food.sleep.job.hobbies.friends.family.
My best friends who usually made me laugh seemed distant,like I was on a totally different level to them,they tried raising my spirits.It’s like I was behind a sheet of glass and they couldn’t hear me,or they were muted or something,when I talked to them about it,it was like I didn’t know where the words were coming from,It was just flowing out of me without me thinking.
Sadness comes and goes,depression is still there next week,the week after,and so on.
I contemplated suicide and craved the release of it,I sometimes would just lay in bed all day and do nothing,not cos I felt tired or lazy,I just felt POINTLESS. IRRELEVANT. When I mean I would lie there and do nothing,I measn NOTHING.No internet/TV/radio/books,just emptiness.
I could just sit and stare at a blank wall or look out of the window for like an hour.
I wouldn’t shave for a week or two,sometimes not wash,stay up all night just full of self-hatred.I would snap and lose my temper and shout and swear in public places at the smallest annoyance.This was replaced by total apathy,I would trudge the streets for hours,no particular destination,no objective,I would stare people out,give them dirty looks,deliberately bump into people,hoping to start a fight.I gave up looking for a fight but carried on,hoping someone would beat the shit out of me or stab me.
I tried to time my road crossings to get hit by a bus,or would just walk out in the road without looking,waiting for the impact.But I was too much of a pussy,it might go wrong.I would break down crying at small setbacks…this is not sadness,this is depression.
A chemical imbalance or major trauma will cause depression.
You may need help with it…
[/quote]
Dislaimer: I will be discussing pharmacology and some basic psychiatry, topics which I am well read on but have no formal scientific training in so if someone more qualified in these topics (like MODOK or Bill Roberts) finds a flaw in my reasoning please correct me.
Ace, it sounds like you have/had a case of exogenous depression, which is caused by an outside source such as the death of someone close to you or other traumatic events. This is not caused by low levels of serotonin or other neurotransmitters (yes, other nuerotransmitter deficiencies cause depression. In fact the body rarely has a deficiency in just one neurotransmitter. If you have low serotonin, it is likely you also may have a deficiency in norepinephrine and catecholamine). Now, exogenous depression is usually temporary (assuming you don’t suck off a shotgun) and is best treated by counseling. Depression caused by neurotransmitter defiencies is called endogenous depression. People with endogenous depression often just wake up one day with depression symptoms.
For those of you that care, the DSM IV diagnostic criterion for depression are:
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Change in appetite or weight -
Sleep disturbance -
Psychomotor retardation or agitation -
Loss of energy -
Decreased ability to concentrate -
Loss of self worth -
Decreased interest in daily activities -
Depressed mood almost every day -
Suicidal ideation
If a patient experiences 5 of these symptoms for 2 or more weeks, a diagnosis of depression can be made (often followed by a psychiatric referral). Here’s the kicker: the diagnostic criteria is not discriminatory between exogenous and endogenous depression which is why anyone with a diagnosis of depression should see a specialist (psychiatrist) before taking any medication prescribed by a GP.
Now on to depression medication. The most common depression medication for depression are SSRIs. The main problem I see with this medication is it is not really curative in nature. SSRIs basically trick the brain into thinking it has more serotonin than it really does. It does not replenish serotonin. In fact, SSRIs could cause the body to stop producing serotonin by making your body think it has more serotonin than it really does leading to many of the side effects of SSRIs. Now, something like 5-HTP would make a good “PCT” of sorts by helping your body produce more serotonin, since it is a direct step in producing serotonin. However, most people could have saved themselves money by learning about SSRIs in the first place.
The main problem with 5-HTP is that people take it with the thought that it will cure depression caused by low serotonin. Now this paragraph is for the benefit of “BaileyLush.”
I thought that I had explained it in my first post, but apparently not very well so here is another try. In this case, the idea that “gut functioning being intimatly related to proper mental functioning” basically means that if you have low serotonin in your gastrointestinal tract, there is a very good chance that serotonin levels in the brain are low also. In fact, a lack of tryptophan in the diet is a leading cause of endogenous depression. Now using 5-HTP could very well be a good way to increase serotonin levels in the gut. I believe the reason people started manufacturing it because it directly leads to the production of serotonin. Tryptophan, however, can be metabolized into other compounds such as niacin. The theory is that using 5-HTP over tryptophan will lead to higher levels of serotonin. However, the fact that using 5-HTP essentially skips a step in the metabolic process, it ensures that a majority of it will become serotonin before any significant amount of 5-HTP crosses the blood-brain barrier (remember that serotonin can not cross the blood-brain barrier) The result: 5-HTP will not significantly affect depression but could help alleviate the side affects of abusing SSRI’s. Consuming enough tryptophan in your diet (even supplementing it) is probably a much better way to ensure proper levels of seroronin in both the GI system and the brain (assuming you don’t have some kind of metabolic disorder that causes your body to not produce serotonin. I do not know if such a disorder exists.
[quote]benmoore wrote:
Now without any scans or even touching the damn thing she stood up, leaned over me in my chair and said:
“In laymans terms - you have a collection of tissue under the skin”
I could have chinned the cow there and then… OF COURSE IT IS YOU DUMB BITCH…
I didnt say anything of course… but I was damn angry that she referred to me as a layman [/quote]
What, she is a clergywoman as a well as a doctor?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
benmoore wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
benmoore wrote:
On the subject of doctors not knowing dick…
I recently went to my local GP with two problems:
- A hard lump in my hand thats getting bigger and more painful week by week. Can no longer hold things tightly in left hand.
- A shoulder/bicep injury from going apeshit on my bench press. Been there for almost 3 months… can no longer even do pushups.
These two injuries combined with the exams I recently had really killed my drive to train… consequently I am now weak and fat as hell… and its just getting me down a lot. Im going to try and start up training again soon - just waiting until results day on the 30th… may have resits to do a week after you see. But anyway - its all having a big impact on my life/happiness.
Went to the doctor…
First up was the bump on hand - The doctor lay my hand flat on table and poked around in the wrong places and then proclaimed she couldnt find it - despite me prodding the location myself and saying that if the hand is layed flat its very difficult to locate.
Just so you know this sucker is about the size of a pea now, very tender to the touch and is sitting DEEP under the skin - around the bones and connective tissue.
I was then told that I should ignore it… I told her that it was getting increasingly painful and that I would feel more comfortable knowing exactly what it is. Now without any scans or even touching the damn thing she stood up, leaned over me in my chair and said:
“In laymans terms - you have a collection of tissue under the skin”
I could have chinned the cow there and then… OF COURSE IT IS YOU DUMB BITCH - BELIEVE IT OR NOT WHEN I FIND WEIRD PAINFUL LUMPS IN MY BODY I USUALLY TRY TO DO SOME RESEARCH MYSELF…I didnt say anything of course… but I was damn angry that she referred to me as a layman when i had spent several days researching on specific hand related issues… not just that but I have basic anatomical knowledge from my several years of lifting (and getting injured).
She then moved on swiftly to my shoulder… no scans… prodding in the wrong places… not listening to me when I said where the pain was located and what triggered it.
This injury by the way affects a narrow band down the inside of my bicep and has a seperate pain right up where the shoulder meets the chest.
She asked how I did it… “Weightlifting” I said simply…
“You were lifting heavy objects?”
“…yes.”
facepamlm
She then sat me down despite me saying that Ive had it for about 3 months now with a lot of rest and I cant even do a pushup.
I was told that I should have been taking “painkillers” to “speed up the recovery process”… I was dumbfounded so I asked: “I wasnt aware that taking painkillers would provide a mechanism for tissue repair - I didn’t take painkillers because I thought it would be best to know when I was agitating the injury to prevent further damage.”
She looked at me like I was an idiot (or a “layman”) and said again “taking painkillers will recover the muscle faster”
When I explained again that I would like to know what it was… I was told that it was a “muscle strain” and that I should stop all activity and take painkillers.
I said that between the two complaints how long would it be before I could return to lifting.
“Maybe never - you can find something else to do like running or cycling.”
I told her I was quite anxious because I really wanted to get this sorted… she continually brushed away me asking for treatment… eventually she signed me up for a physio for my arm.
As for my lump? I was told that if I had surgery I wouldnt be able to use my hand for years because the tissue is so delicate.
I dont even know if anyone will read this…
But I fucking hate doctors.
I suggest you have biceps tendonitis, but in the short head, not the long one.
The lump might be a ganglion cyst if it’s on the anterior/palmar surface. This occurs when the lubricating sheath around one of the flexor tendons begins to extrude a ‘bulb’ or balloon of lubricating fluid, out of the confined space, towards an area of less tissue pressure.
The oldschool treatment used to be to whack it with a bible, lol. Needless to say, don’t do this. Unfortunately I can’t really give you an alternative as everyone I know who sees a Dr about this just gets brushed off.
Having said that, I suspect that a combination of fascial release of the forearm flexors, with gentle, sustained direct pressure on the growth, might make it flow back into place.
BBB
Bicep tendonitis was something I suspected…
However I was puzzled as I could still curl, row with a pronated grip and chin with a neutral grip with minimal discomfort…
However pronated pullups, neutral rowing pissed off the injury quite heavily.
The pain sits in the upper half of the bicep and towards the inner side.
If I stand up and place my left palm on my left thigh and press that palm in towards the body I feel the pain the bicep.
If I stand up and hold my left arm out infront of me and whilst keeping the arm straight and paralell to the floor - move it to point to my right hand side… I feel a point much higher up - not quite pec but not quite arm… towards the armpit but slightly higher.
Benching and variations causes the most pain without a doubt.
Since the biceps supinate the forearm, your symptoms do not surprise me.
However I now suspect the coracobrachialis muscle. Its action is described by your 'hand pushing against thigh action. Check out the anatomy and see what you think.
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After looking at some diagrams - it seems to be bang in the right place and seems fitting with it feeling that it inserts further towards the chest.
Anywhom this this would explain why arm curl variations are pain free but some rowing actions are not?
Do you think this would fit with rowing injuring it.
What would you suggest to begin rehabbing this?
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
benmoore wrote:
Now without any scans or even touching the damn thing she stood up, leaned over me in my chair and said:
“In laymans terms - you have a collection of tissue under the skin”
I could have chinned the cow there and then… OF COURSE IT IS YOU DUMB BITCH…
I didnt say anything of course… but I was damn angry that she referred to me as a layman
What, she is a clergywoman as a well as a doctor?
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Haha this took me a few moments to figure out - origins of layman comes from the term laity which describes non clergy members.
What are your thoughts on this Bill? Also what do you think of BBB’s suggestion of it being the coracobrachialis?
[quote]benmoore wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
benmoore wrote:
Now without any scans or even touching the damn thing she stood up, leaned over me in my chair and said:
“In laymans terms - you have a collection of tissue under the skin”
I could have chinned the cow there and then… OF COURSE IT IS YOU DUMB BITCH…
I didnt say anything of course… but I was damn angry that she referred to me as a layman
What, she is a clergywoman as a well as a doctor?
Haha this took me a few moments to figure out - origins of layman comes from the term laity which describes non clergy members.
What are your thoughts on this Bill? Also what do you think of BBB’s suggestion of it being the coracobrachialis?
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I’m sorry, but unfortunately I have no particular expertise in that sort of thing. I would think highly of BBB’s suggestion based on his track record in such things, and even if it seemed odd to me (it doesn’t) I would consider his view to outweigh my impression, if I had one. I wish I could help more but on this one just can’t.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
But who the fuck else can you go to? When I do ask questions, he acts all smug and smiley and shit. I think I want to hit him in the face. Bastard.[/quote]
Ha Ha!
Don’t hold back,man-tell us how you really feel!
[quote]Lordcliff wrote:
oh, and Red Dward kicks ass[/quote]
Smoke this guy a kipper!!