So I was looking at the troponin nutrition website, and was looking through their picture gallery ( http://www.troponinnutrition.com/photogallery.htm ) and half-way down, there were two pictures of Dave Tate. One of him looking like a lard-ass, and the second one of him looking pretty shredded, along with a quote that said " Dave Tate of www.elitefts.com before and after a diet with Justin Harris"
What strikes me as odd is in Berardi’s ‘Get Shredded Diet’ ( The Get Shredded Diet ) article and the Dave Tate Project 1 and 2, he details everything he did with Dave Tate to get him lean.
So is Justin Harris a liar, or did he work with Tate to get him even leaner than Berardi did?
[quote]kellerdp wrote:
So I was looking at the troponin nutrition website, and was looking through their picture gallery ( http://www.troponinnutrition.com/photogallery.htm ) and half-way down, there were two pictures of Dave Tate. One of him looking like a lard-ass, and the second one of him looking pretty shredded, along with a quote that said " Dave Tate of www.elitefts.com before and after a diet with Justin Harris"
What strikes me as odd is in Berardi’s ‘Get Shredded Diet’ ( The Get Shredded Diet ) article and the Dave Tate Project 1 and 2, he details everything he did with Dave Tate to get him lean.
So is Justin Harris a liar, or did he work with Tate to get him even leaner than Berardi did?
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Go over to elitefts.com and read the archives of Dave Tate’s log. He described in detail what he ate, and said he preferred Justin Harris’ carb cycling method.
Those were two different diets at two different times for him. He had done the Berardi diet, then gained a decent amount of fat again. A few years down the road, he worked with Justin Harris. He did this because he was no longer doing powerlifting meets and was losing some motivation.
Disclaimer: This summary is only to the best of my knowledge and may not be exactly how things happened.
Double disclaimer: I wish I looked like at him at either weight.
[quote]JGerman wrote:
I have some serious doubt looking at the timelines, before and after photos.
Who knows but there are some major changes in realatively short periods of time. [/quote]
Wasn’t his diet an actual “see food” diet? For someone who’s as muscular as he is, I don’t see how going from a pure shit diet (in regards to cutting) to a very clean diet will yield excellent results. Fast.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
For someone who’s as muscular as he is, I don’t see how going from a pure shit diet (in regards to cutting) to a very clean diet will yield excellent results. Fast.[/quote]
[quote]JGerman wrote:
I have some serious doubt looking at the timelines, before and after photos.
Who knows but there are some major changes in realatively short periods of time. [/quote]
It takes 3-4 months to get shredded, but 3-4 years to get big. He wasn’t even that overweight - he was still under 20% bf, which is pretty normal for someone trying to add muscle. Where’s the confusion here?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
JGerman wrote:
I have some serious doubt looking at the timelines, before and after photos.
Who knows but there are some major changes in realatively short periods of time.
It takes 3-4 months to get shredded, but 3-4 years to get big. He wasn’t even that overweight - he was still under 20% bf, which is pretty normal for someone trying to add muscle. Where’s the confusion here? [/quote]
Exactly. You will find very few people who can look like his “after” picture without first looking somewhat like his “before” picture…and it takes about 4 months for most people to drop weight and get lean. It takes SEVERAL YEARS to build the muscle mass that will allow someone to really be big when they cut down.
Why do some of the people in this thread seem to not understand this?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
For someone who’s as muscular as he is, I don’t see how going from a pure shit diet (in regards to cutting) to a very clean diet WOULDN"T yield excellent results. Fast.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
For someone who’s as muscular as he is, I don’t see how going from a pure shit diet (in regards to cutting) to a very clean diet WOULDN"T yield excellent results. Fast.
You don’t?
I think he meant this.
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Looking at some of the comments here, I’m not sure.
I didn’t know Dave Tate was a “lard ass” until just now.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
For someone who’s as muscular as he is, I don’t see how going from a pure shit diet (in regards to cutting) to a very clean diet WOULDN"T yield excellent results. Fast.
I thought Berardi fixed up his shitty eating and got him down to 12-10%. Then Harris took over and got him down to 5%. My understanding atleast. Dave looked like a beast in both pics, just a blood thirsty beast in his afters.
[quote]elusive wrote:
I thought Berardi fixed up his shitty eating and got him down to 12-10%. Then Harris took over and got him down to 5%. My understanding atleast. Dave looked like a beast in both pics, just a blood thirsty beast in his afters.[/quote]
This is what I thought, Bernardi only took him from 18-19% down to 11-12%.