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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

If it’s likely to get covered up then Marty and Rust are going to bring justice to those responsible. (Justice meaning death)[/quote]

That’s how I see it panning out. Their whole investigation has been off the grid and looks set to stay that way. The new preview makes me think that it’ll be their vigilante activity that alerts the police to what’s going on.

A satisfactory ending for me would be if they blew the lid off the kiddy-fiddling ring but both died in the process. We’ve seen how both of these guys basically have nothing in their lives except being detectives so it would seem fitting.

That said, I think Marty is more likely to die than Rust because it’s sod’s law: the guy that is a nihilist and finds no meaning in life gets to live, while the one who believes dies.

I also agree that the final episode could go either way and offer an explosive end to the season or a disappointing fizzling out.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]MrZsasz wrote:

[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
I know they were talking about a season 2 with the same actors at some point, so I’d doubt they would kill off either of them. I’d think that the cover will get blown off a lot of things in E8, but they’ll make it sensational enough along the way.

Rob[/quote]

Matthew McConaughey has said in interview that he will not do another season, that this is it. Not sure about Woody, but from what I read the show was pitched as an anthology with different storylines/actors each season. That being said, they have a lot to wrap up in the final episode.[/quote]

They set it up for an epic final episode… or an epic failure of a final episode that leaves a bad taste in everyone’s mouth.
[/quote]

Well… I’ve seen too many shows/movies that left me and my wife looking at each other and saying… what the fuck was with that?

Rob

103

If you’ve not watched every episode, this has spoilers in it. What you’re about to watch is the revealing of the Yellow King. Can’t believe how obvious it was, after seeing this of course. You guys will kick yourselves as I have done.

104

Someone on the Internet may have brought this up before, and it feels like the odds are good, but somehow I haven?t seen it: This whole thing makes no friggin? sense.

First, the Tuttle cult operates in secrecy, to the point that when Rust found the incriminating videotapes and pictures in Reverend Tuttle?s Baton Rouge home, he didn?t report it, and eventually killed himself or got killed when faced with the possibility of being blackmailed. Everything the cult does is shrouded from the public eye, and it seems there are multiple layers of protection in local law enforcement. They are, emphatically, not trying to advertise.

So why would one of them drag the body of Dora Lange, antlers and all, to be found by the police. Why would that person START A FIRE to make sure the police and fire department had to descend on the area and discover the body?

It seems pretty obvious to me now that Dora Lange was a plant. Perhaps she had truly been killed in the usual fashion by the cult, but if that?s the case, it seems like one of the members had a bout of conscience and wanted to get caught. After that, Tuttle and his people tried to take over the investigation ?jimminy quick with a fucking task force,? as Cohle pointed out last weekend. But Cohle avoids making the next leap, which is that while the symbolism (antlers, spiral tattoo) clearly represents the modus operandi of the cult, the public display absolutely does not.

So, that?s what I?ll call the Minor Theory of this post: We?re going to find out next week that somebody placed the body there against the will of the cult.

But I won?t stop there, or you might accuse me of not being crazy. So buckle up for the MAJOR CONSPIRACY THEORY:

Cohle planted the body.

First, two bits of information that I ignored from the first episode. One, Dora Lange?s body was discovered on Jan. 3, which was also the birthday of Cohle?s deceased daughter. All we know for sure about his daughter is what he tells the detectives in the interview room: She was hit by a drunk driver. But so many things Cohle tells the detectives are lies, so why should we trust this one? At the very least, it?s always felt like we?d hear something else about this daughter, right?

One thing that seemed likely was the revelation that Cohle himself ran her over accidentally, leading to years of guilt and recrimination. But maybe it runs deeper than that; maybe his daughter was killed in a similar fashion to Dora Lange, if not by the Tuttles then by someone connected to them. Maybe that was part of the work Cohle was doing in his ensuing years as an undercover narco. Maybe his transfer to Louisiana wasn?t accidental; in fact, maybe he identified Hart?s daughter Audrey as a victim?something the show has been pointing to for a while now?and angled for the transfer so he could work with Hart to bring down the cult.

Watching last night, I noticed one other piece of information. First, the Dora Lange murder happened three months after Cohle came on the job. Second, there?s a scene where Hart visits Cohle?s spartan apartment, and says that the bare decor made him ?feel bad for the guy.? As they show the apartment visit, Marty?s glance lingers for a moment on a small table stacked with books:

truedetectivebooks.png

Books on sex crimes and serial killers are predominantly featured. Now, for the critical detail: Speaking with the detectives, Marty tells them that this visit happened two weeks into the partnership.

So: Rust Cohle was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and crime scene photography about 10 weeks before Dora Lange?s body was found. And 10 weeks before he was supposed to know anything about the case.

The way the show is structured, you have to pay close attention to realize this visit actually came before Dora Lange, since the scene itself happens after the body is discovered. Only by noticing the ?two weeks? line Marty says, which I failed to do the first time around, do you realize it happened before.

To sum up the evidence: The body was clearly planted, it happened on the birthday of Cohle?s daughter, and he was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and other volumes that would be useful in helping stage a crime scene.

Sure, maybe Pizzolatto says we won?t get a shocking reversal in the finale, but couldn?t that just mean that neither Cohle or Hart is the killer? Isn?t it feasible to think that Cohle was working on this sex cult case long before he found Dora Lange?s body by the tree? And if he sought a partner, wouldn?t Marty be ideal if indeed his daughter had been involved without him knowing it?

And I could be completely off base. For one thing, it?s odd that Cohle would disappear to Alaska for eight years, but wasn?t that kind of odd anyway? If I?m wrong, though, I am totally unashamed, because I consider it my duty and my honor to theorize conspiratorially until the final hour. This show deserves nothing less.

105

[quote]print wrote:
Someone on the Internet may have brought this up before, and it feels like the odds are good, but somehow I haven?t seen it: This whole thing makes no friggin? sense.

First, the Tuttle cult operates in secrecy, to the point that when Rust found the incriminating videotapes and pictures in Reverend Tuttle?s Baton Rouge home, he didn?t report it, and eventually killed himself or got killed when faced with the possibility of being blackmailed. Everything the cult does is shrouded from the public eye, and it seems there are multiple layers of protection in local law enforcement. They are, emphatically, not trying to advertise.

So why would one of them drag the body of Dora Lange, antlers and all, to be found by the police. Why would that person START A FIRE to make sure the police and fire department had to descend on the area and discover the body?

It seems pretty obvious to me now that Dora Lange was a plant. Perhaps she had truly been killed in the usual fashion by the cult, but if that?s the case, it seems like one of the members had a bout of conscience and wanted to get caught. After that, Tuttle and his people tried to take over the investigation ?jimminy quick with a fucking task force,? as Cohle pointed out last weekend. But Cohle avoids making the next leap, which is that while the symbolism (antlers, spiral tattoo) clearly represents the modus operandi of the cult, the public display absolutely does not.

So, that?s what I?ll call the Minor Theory of this post: We?re going to find out next week that somebody placed the body there against the will of the cult.

But I won?t stop there, or you might accuse me of not being crazy. So buckle up for the MAJOR CONSPIRACY THEORY:

Cohle planted the body.

First, two bits of information that I ignored from the first episode. One, Dora Lange?s body was discovered on Jan. 3, which was also the birthday of Cohle?s deceased daughter. All we know for sure about his daughter is what he tells the detectives in the interview room: She was hit by a drunk driver. But so many things Cohle tells the detectives are lies, so why should we trust this one? At the very least, it?s always felt like we?d hear something else about this daughter, right?

One thing that seemed likely was the revelation that Cohle himself ran her over accidentally, leading to years of guilt and recrimination. But maybe it runs deeper than that; maybe his daughter was killed in a similar fashion to Dora Lange, if not by the Tuttles then by someone connected to them. Maybe that was part of the work Cohle was doing in his ensuing years as an undercover narco. Maybe his transfer to Louisiana wasn?t accidental; in fact, maybe he identified Hart?s daughter Audrey as a victim?something the show has been pointing to for a while now?and angled for the transfer so he could work with Hart to bring down the cult.

Watching last night, I noticed one other piece of information. First, the Dora Lange murder happened three months after Cohle came on the job. Second, there?s a scene where Hart visits Cohle?s spartan apartment, and says that the bare decor made him ?feel bad for the guy.? As they show the apartment visit, Marty?s glance lingers for a moment on a small table stacked with books:

truedetectivebooks.png

Books on sex crimes and serial killers are predominantly featured. Now, for the critical detail: Speaking with the detectives, Marty tells them that this visit happened two weeks into the partnership.

So: Rust Cohle was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and crime scene photography about 10 weeks before Dora Lange?s body was found. And 10 weeks before he was supposed to know anything about the case.

The way the show is structured, you have to pay close attention to realize this visit actually came before Dora Lange, since the scene itself happens after the body is discovered. Only by noticing the ?two weeks? line Marty says, which I failed to do the first time around, do you realize it happened before.

To sum up the evidence: The body was clearly planted, it happened on the birthday of Cohle?s daughter, and he was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and other volumes that would be useful in helping stage a crime scene.

Sure, maybe Pizzolatto says we won?t get a shocking reversal in the finale, but couldn?t that just mean that neither Cohle or Hart is the killer? Isn?t it feasible to think that Cohle was working on this sex cult case long before he found Dora Lange?s body by the tree? And if he sought a partner, wouldn?t Marty be ideal if indeed his daughter had been involved without him knowing it?

And I could be completely off base. For one thing, it?s odd that Cohle would disappear to Alaska for eight years, but wasn?t that kind of odd anyway? If I?m wrong, though, I am totally unashamed, because I consider it my duty and my honor to theorize conspiratorially until the final hour. This show deserves nothing less.
[/quote]
That’s a crazy reach, either the killings are straight forward, or they’re done in such dramatic fashion because they’re a warning to all other light of the way students to shut the fuck up or this is what will happen to you. I think it’s just the former but the latter would not surprise me. The writer seems uninterested with insane reveals and I honestly only look at the show as a character study of Rust and Marty.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]print wrote:
Someone on the Internet may have brought this up before, and it feels like the odds are good, but somehow I haven?t seen it: This whole thing makes no friggin? sense.

First, the Tuttle cult operates in secrecy, to the point that when Rust found the incriminating videotapes and pictures in Reverend Tuttle?s Baton Rouge home, he didn?t report it, and eventually killed himself or got killed when faced with the possibility of being blackmailed. Everything the cult does is shrouded from the public eye, and it seems there are multiple layers of protection in local law enforcement. They are, emphatically, not trying to advertise.

So why would one of them drag the body of Dora Lange, antlers and all, to be found by the police. Why would that person START A FIRE to make sure the police and fire department had to descend on the area and discover the body?

It seems pretty obvious to me now that Dora Lange was a plant. Perhaps she had truly been killed in the usual fashion by the cult, but if that?s the case, it seems like one of the members had a bout of conscience and wanted to get caught. After that, Tuttle and his people tried to take over the investigation ?jimminy quick with a fucking task force,? as Cohle pointed out last weekend. But Cohle avoids making the next leap, which is that while the symbolism (antlers, spiral tattoo) clearly represents the modus operandi of the cult, the public display absolutely does not.

So, that?s what I?ll call the Minor Theory of this post: We?re going to find out next week that somebody placed the body there against the will of the cult.

But I won?t stop there, or you might accuse me of not being crazy. So buckle up for the MAJOR CONSPIRACY THEORY:

Cohle planted the body.

First, two bits of information that I ignored from the first episode. One, Dora Lange?s body was discovered on Jan. 3, which was also the birthday of Cohle?s deceased daughter. All we know for sure about his daughter is what he tells the detectives in the interview room: She was hit by a drunk driver. But so many things Cohle tells the detectives are lies, so why should we trust this one? At the very least, it?s always felt like we?d hear something else about this daughter, right?

One thing that seemed likely was the revelation that Cohle himself ran her over accidentally, leading to years of guilt and recrimination. But maybe it runs deeper than that; maybe his daughter was killed in a similar fashion to Dora Lange, if not by the Tuttles then by someone connected to them. Maybe that was part of the work Cohle was doing in his ensuing years as an undercover narco. Maybe his transfer to Louisiana wasn?t accidental; in fact, maybe he identified Hart?s daughter Audrey as a victim?something the show has been pointing to for a while now?and angled for the transfer so he could work with Hart to bring down the cult.

Watching last night, I noticed one other piece of information. First, the Dora Lange murder happened three months after Cohle came on the job. Second, there?s a scene where Hart visits Cohle?s spartan apartment, and says that the bare decor made him ?feel bad for the guy.? As they show the apartment visit, Marty?s glance lingers for a moment on a small table stacked with books:

truedetectivebooks.png

Books on sex crimes and serial killers are predominantly featured. Now, for the critical detail: Speaking with the detectives, Marty tells them that this visit happened two weeks into the partnership.

So: Rust Cohle was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and crime scene photography about 10 weeks before Dora Lange?s body was found. And 10 weeks before he was supposed to know anything about the case.

The way the show is structured, you have to pay close attention to realize this visit actually came before Dora Lange, since the scene itself happens after the body is discovered. Only by noticing the ?two weeks? line Marty says, which I failed to do the first time around, do you realize it happened before.

To sum up the evidence: The body was clearly planted, it happened on the birthday of Cohle?s daughter, and he was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and other volumes that would be useful in helping stage a crime scene.

Sure, maybe Pizzolatto says we won?t get a shocking reversal in the finale, but couldn?t that just mean that neither Cohle or Hart is the killer? Isn?t it feasible to think that Cohle was working on this sex cult case long before he found Dora Lange?s body by the tree? And if he sought a partner, wouldn?t Marty be ideal if indeed his daughter had been involved without him knowing it?

And I could be completely off base. For one thing, it?s odd that Cohle would disappear to Alaska for eight years, but wasn?t that kind of odd anyway? If I?m wrong, though, I am totally unashamed, because I consider it my duty and my honor to theorize conspiratorially until the final hour. This show deserves nothing less.
[/quote]
That’s a crazy reach, either the killings are straight forward, or they’re done in such dramatic fashion because they’re a warning to all other light of the way students to shut the fuck up or this is what will happen to you. I think it’s just the former but the latter would not surprise me. The writer seems uninterested with insane reveals and I honestly only look at the show as a character study of Rust and Marty.[/quote]

I think that the show is just loaded with enough red herrings to keep everyone guessing all the way. How much can they really cram into E8 to justify 10% of them?

The E8 trailer does show the bar-owner getting into things, so that’s a minor but expected twist.

I do agree with someone within the cult wanting to bring their activities to light.

Rob

107

[quote]beachguy498 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]print wrote:
Someone on the Internet may have brought this up before, and it feels like the odds are good, but somehow I haven?t seen it: This whole thing makes no friggin? sense.

First, the Tuttle cult operates in secrecy, to the point that when Rust found the incriminating videotapes and pictures in Reverend Tuttle?s Baton Rouge home, he didn?t report it, and eventually killed himself or got killed when faced with the possibility of being blackmailed. Everything the cult does is shrouded from the public eye, and it seems there are multiple layers of protection in local law enforcement. They are, emphatically, not trying to advertise.

So why would one of them drag the body of Dora Lange, antlers and all, to be found by the police. Why would that person START A FIRE to make sure the police and fire department had to descend on the area and discover the body?

It seems pretty obvious to me now that Dora Lange was a plant. Perhaps she had truly been killed in the usual fashion by the cult, but if that?s the case, it seems like one of the members had a bout of conscience and wanted to get caught. After that, Tuttle and his people tried to take over the investigation ?jimminy quick with a fucking task force,? as Cohle pointed out last weekend. But Cohle avoids making the next leap, which is that while the symbolism (antlers, spiral tattoo) clearly represents the modus operandi of the cult, the public display absolutely does not.

So, that?s what I?ll call the Minor Theory of this post: We?re going to find out next week that somebody placed the body there against the will of the cult.

But I won?t stop there, or you might accuse me of not being crazy. So buckle up for the MAJOR CONSPIRACY THEORY:

Cohle planted the body.

First, two bits of information that I ignored from the first episode. One, Dora Lange?s body was discovered on Jan. 3, which was also the birthday of Cohle?s deceased daughter. All we know for sure about his daughter is what he tells the detectives in the interview room: She was hit by a drunk driver. But so many things Cohle tells the detectives are lies, so why should we trust this one? At the very least, it?s always felt like we?d hear something else about this daughter, right?

One thing that seemed likely was the revelation that Cohle himself ran her over accidentally, leading to years of guilt and recrimination. But maybe it runs deeper than that; maybe his daughter was killed in a similar fashion to Dora Lange, if not by the Tuttles then by someone connected to them. Maybe that was part of the work Cohle was doing in his ensuing years as an undercover narco. Maybe his transfer to Louisiana wasn?t accidental; in fact, maybe he identified Hart?s daughter Audrey as a victim?something the show has been pointing to for a while now?and angled for the transfer so he could work with Hart to bring down the cult.

Watching last night, I noticed one other piece of information. First, the Dora Lange murder happened three months after Cohle came on the job. Second, there?s a scene where Hart visits Cohle?s spartan apartment, and says that the bare decor made him ?feel bad for the guy.? As they show the apartment visit, Marty?s glance lingers for a moment on a small table stacked with books:

truedetectivebooks.png

Books on sex crimes and serial killers are predominantly featured. Now, for the critical detail: Speaking with the detectives, Marty tells them that this visit happened two weeks into the partnership.

So: Rust Cohle was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and crime scene photography about 10 weeks before Dora Lange?s body was found. And 10 weeks before he was supposed to know anything about the case.

The way the show is structured, you have to pay close attention to realize this visit actually came before Dora Lange, since the scene itself happens after the body is discovered. Only by noticing the ?two weeks? line Marty says, which I failed to do the first time around, do you realize it happened before.

To sum up the evidence: The body was clearly planted, it happened on the birthday of Cohle?s daughter, and he was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and other volumes that would be useful in helping stage a crime scene.

Sure, maybe Pizzolatto says we won?t get a shocking reversal in the finale, but couldn?t that just mean that neither Cohle or Hart is the killer? Isn?t it feasible to think that Cohle was working on this sex cult case long before he found Dora Lange?s body by the tree? And if he sought a partner, wouldn?t Marty be ideal if indeed his daughter had been involved without him knowing it?

And I could be completely off base. For one thing, it?s odd that Cohle would disappear to Alaska for eight years, but wasn?t that kind of odd anyway? If I?m wrong, though, I am totally unashamed, because I consider it my duty and my honor to theorize conspiratorially until the final hour. This show deserves nothing less.
[/quote]
That’s a crazy reach, either the killings are straight forward, or they’re done in such dramatic fashion because they’re a warning to all other light of the way students to shut the fuck up or this is what will happen to you. I think it’s just the former but the latter would not surprise me. The writer seems uninterested with insane reveals and I honestly only look at the show as a character study of Rust and Marty.[/quote]

I think that the show is just loaded with enough red herrings to keep everyone guessing all the way. How much can they really cram into E8 to justify 10% of them?

The E8 trailer does show the bar-owner getting into things, so that’s a minor but expected twist.

I do agree with someone within the cult wanting to bring their activities to light.

Rob[/quote]
I’d agree, but I trust Pizollato when he says he’s not trying to jerk us around and that it’s pretty straight forward. I want to know why the killer has a goofy accent in the preview though.

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[quote]print wrote:
Someone on the Internet may have brought this up before, and it feels like the odds are good, but somehow I haven?t seen it: This whole thing makes no friggin? sense.

First, the Tuttle cult operates in secrecy, to the point that when Rust found the incriminating videotapes and pictures in Reverend Tuttle?s Baton Rouge home, he didn?t report it, and eventually killed himself or got killed when faced with the possibility of being blackmailed. Everything the cult does is shrouded from the public eye, and it seems there are multiple layers of protection in local law enforcement. They are, emphatically, not trying to advertise.

So why would one of them drag the body of Dora Lange, antlers and all, to be found by the police. Why would that person START A FIRE to make sure the police and fire department had to descend on the area and discover the body?

It seems pretty obvious to me now that Dora Lange was a plant. Perhaps she had truly been killed in the usual fashion by the cult, but if that?s the case, it seems like one of the members had a bout of conscience and wanted to get caught. After that, Tuttle and his people tried to take over the investigation ?jimminy quick with a fucking task force,? as Cohle pointed out last weekend. But Cohle avoids making the next leap, which is that while the symbolism (antlers, spiral tattoo) clearly represents the modus operandi of the cult, the public display absolutely does not.

So, that?s what I?ll call the Minor Theory of this post: We?re going to find out next week that somebody placed the body there against the will of the cult.

But I won?t stop there, or you might accuse me of not being crazy. So buckle up for the MAJOR CONSPIRACY THEORY:

Cohle planted the body.

First, two bits of information that I ignored from the first episode. One, Dora Lange?s body was discovered on Jan. 3, which was also the birthday of Cohle?s deceased daughter. All we know for sure about his daughter is what he tells the detectives in the interview room: She was hit by a drunk driver. But so many things Cohle tells the detectives are lies, so why should we trust this one? At the very least, it?s always felt like we?d hear something else about this daughter, right?

One thing that seemed likely was the revelation that Cohle himself ran her over accidentally, leading to years of guilt and recrimination. But maybe it runs deeper than that; maybe his daughter was killed in a similar fashion to Dora Lange, if not by the Tuttles then by someone connected to them. Maybe that was part of the work Cohle was doing in his ensuing years as an undercover narco. Maybe his transfer to Louisiana wasn?t accidental; in fact, maybe he identified Hart?s daughter Audrey as a victim?something the show has been pointing to for a while now?and angled for the transfer so he could work with Hart to bring down the cult.

Watching last night, I noticed one other piece of information. First, the Dora Lange murder happened three months after Cohle came on the job. Second, there?s a scene where Hart visits Cohle?s spartan apartment, and says that the bare decor made him ?feel bad for the guy.? As they show the apartment visit, Marty?s glance lingers for a moment on a small table stacked with books:

truedetectivebooks.png

Books on sex crimes and serial killers are predominantly featured. Now, for the critical detail: Speaking with the detectives, Marty tells them that this visit happened two weeks into the partnership.

So: Rust Cohle was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and crime scene photography about 10 weeks before Dora Lange?s body was found. And 10 weeks before he was supposed to know anything about the case.

The way the show is structured, you have to pay close attention to realize this visit actually came before Dora Lange, since the scene itself happens after the body is discovered. Only by noticing the ?two weeks? line Marty says, which I failed to do the first time around, do you realize it happened before.

To sum up the evidence: The body was clearly planted, it happened on the birthday of Cohle?s daughter, and he was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and other volumes that would be useful in helping stage a crime scene.

Sure, maybe Pizzolatto says we won?t get a shocking reversal in the finale, but couldn?t that just mean that neither Cohle or Hart is the killer? Isn?t it feasible to think that Cohle was working on this sex cult case long before he found Dora Lange?s body by the tree? And if he sought a partner, wouldn?t Marty be ideal if indeed his daughter had been involved without him knowing it?

And I could be completely off base. For one thing, it?s odd that Cohle would disappear to Alaska for eight years, but wasn?t that kind of odd anyway? If I?m wrong, though, I am totally unashamed, because I consider it my duty and my honor to theorize conspiratorially until the final hour. This show deserves nothing less.
[/quote]

Thats just reaching for straws brother. If Rust planted the body why not plant another one after Marty killed Leduox? Instead years go by and the drugstore robber mentions the Yellow king. And in true conspiracy theory gets offed while in lock up. Which leads to police dept cover ups.
I think its a simple premise

  1. Cult is power full families of kid didlers
  2. Tutles bastard grandson who is abused btw is the gardner and murderer who has run amuk from the cult
  3. The cover up is a large conspiracy mostly to cover the prominant families pederassing and whitchcraft which is why the murders go unsolved.
  4. The gardner tends to just kill swamp trash so maybe hes gotten carried away but the cult relies on him for yearly sacrafices and rape fests. Since its swamp trash the higher ups look at it as colateral damage and keep him around becuase hes good at what he does.

Boom just solved the show yur welcome

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]print wrote:
Someone on the Internet may have brought this up before, and it feels like the odds are good, but somehow I haven?t seen it: This whole thing makes no friggin? sense.

First, the Tuttle cult operates in secrecy, to the point that when Rust found the incriminating videotapes and pictures in Reverend Tuttle?s Baton Rouge home, he didn?t report it, and eventually killed himself or got killed when faced with the possibility of being blackmailed. Everything the cult does is shrouded from the public eye, and it seems there are multiple layers of protection in local law enforcement. They are, emphatically, not trying to advertise.

So why would one of them drag the body of Dora Lange, antlers and all, to be found by the police. Why would that person START A FIRE to make sure the police and fire department had to descend on the area and discover the body?

It seems pretty obvious to me now that Dora Lange was a plant. Perhaps she had truly been killed in the usual fashion by the cult, but if that?s the case, it seems like one of the members had a bout of conscience and wanted to get caught. After that, Tuttle and his people tried to take over the investigation ?jimminy quick with a fucking task force,? as Cohle pointed out last weekend. But Cohle avoids making the next leap, which is that while the symbolism (antlers, spiral tattoo) clearly represents the modus operandi of the cult, the public display absolutely does not.

So, that?s what I?ll call the Minor Theory of this post: We?re going to find out next week that somebody placed the body there against the will of the cult.

But I won?t stop there, or you might accuse me of not being crazy. So buckle up for the MAJOR CONSPIRACY THEORY:

Cohle planted the body.

First, two bits of information that I ignored from the first episode. One, Dora Lange?s body was discovered on Jan. 3, which was also the birthday of Cohle?s deceased daughter. All we know for sure about his daughter is what he tells the detectives in the interview room: She was hit by a drunk driver. But so many things Cohle tells the detectives are lies, so why should we trust this one? At the very least, it?s always felt like we?d hear something else about this daughter, right?

One thing that seemed likely was the revelation that Cohle himself ran her over accidentally, leading to years of guilt and recrimination. But maybe it runs deeper than that; maybe his daughter was killed in a similar fashion to Dora Lange, if not by the Tuttles then by someone connected to them. Maybe that was part of the work Cohle was doing in his ensuing years as an undercover narco. Maybe his transfer to Louisiana wasn?t accidental; in fact, maybe he identified Hart?s daughter Audrey as a victim?something the show has been pointing to for a while now?and angled for the transfer so he could work with Hart to bring down the cult.

Watching last night, I noticed one other piece of information. First, the Dora Lange murder happened three months after Cohle came on the job. Second, there?s a scene where Hart visits Cohle?s spartan apartment, and says that the bare decor made him ?feel bad for the guy.? As they show the apartment visit, Marty?s glance lingers for a moment on a small table stacked with books:

truedetectivebooks.png

Books on sex crimes and serial killers are predominantly featured. Now, for the critical detail: Speaking with the detectives, Marty tells them that this visit happened two weeks into the partnership.

So: Rust Cohle was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and crime scene photography about 10 weeks before Dora Lange?s body was found. And 10 weeks before he was supposed to know anything about the case.

The way the show is structured, you have to pay close attention to realize this visit actually came before Dora Lange, since the scene itself happens after the body is discovered. Only by noticing the ?two weeks? line Marty says, which I failed to do the first time around, do you realize it happened before.

To sum up the evidence: The body was clearly planted, it happened on the birthday of Cohle?s daughter, and he was reading books about sex crimes and serial killers and other volumes that would be useful in helping stage a crime scene.

Sure, maybe Pizzolatto says we won?t get a shocking reversal in the finale, but couldn?t that just mean that neither Cohle or Hart is the killer? Isn?t it feasible to think that Cohle was working on this sex cult case long before he found Dora Lange?s body by the tree? And if he sought a partner, wouldn?t Marty be ideal if indeed his daughter had been involved without him knowing it?

And I could be completely off base. For one thing, it?s odd that Cohle would disappear to Alaska for eight years, but wasn?t that kind of odd anyway? If I?m wrong, though, I am totally unashamed, because I consider it my duty and my honor to theorize conspiratorially until the final hour. This show deserves nothing less.
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Thats just reaching for straws brother. If Rust planted the body why not plant another one after Marty killed Leduox? Instead years go by and the drugstore robber mentions the Yellow king. And in true conspiracy theory gets offed while in lock up. Which leads to police dept cover ups.
I think its a simple premise

  1. Cult is power full families of kid didlers
  2. Tutles bastard grandson who is abused btw is the gardner and murderer who has run amuk from the cult
  3. The cover up is a large conspiracy mostly to cover the prominant families pederassing and whitchcraft which is why the murders go unsolved.
  4. The gardner tends to just kill swamp trash so maybe hes gotten carried away but the cult relies on him for yearly sacrafices and rape fests. Since its swamp trash the higher ups look at it as colateral damage and keep him around becuase hes good at what he does.

Boom just solved the show yur welcome
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There isn’t much to solve really. It’s a pretty straight forward story now. And I doubt that lawnmower man is out of control, if that were the case he’d have been taken care of.

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LOL! I didn’t write that. I found it on Paste magazine. Some author just having some fun w/yet another theory.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:
I’d agree, but I trust Pizollato when he says he’s not trying to jerk us around and that it’s pretty straight forward. I want to know why the killer has a goofy accent in the preview though. [/quote]

I actually trust him on this too. I think he is actually trying to temper the expectations a little on the crazy “Lost” type ending and just settle people down and prepare them for a extremely well written, directed, shot, and played crime drama. I think he is choosing quality over the twisted shock value ending.

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I’m about to watch the first episode. HOW EXCITED SHOULD I BE?!

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[quote]print wrote:
If you’ve not watched every episode, this has spoilers in it. What you’re about to watch is the revealing of the Yellow King. Can’t believe how obvious it was, after seeing this of course. You guys will kick yourselves as I have done.

LOL. Good stuff, print.

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I think the lawnmower man is a sentinel of sorts, seeing who is snooping around. He does come off as just a handyman when he talks to the cops but may be involved in cult activities that the others don’t have the stomach for.

Rob

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I’m about to watch the first episode. HOW EXCITED SHOULD I BE?![/quote]

Wear a diaper

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I’m pretty sure Cohle is not the killer, BUT his present-day character should be a inspiration for a writer/director to cast MM in an epic villain role. A kind of Texas-style White-Trash Hanibal Lecter.

I think he would be absolutely brilliant as a get in your head type of villain.

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From Pizzolatto:

?Going into the final episode, I wanted to end any audience theorizing that Cohle or Hart was the killer, and also provide a concrete face to the abstract evil they?re chasing.?

Magazine writer… Though, conspiracy time, he then follows up with this tidbit:

?So, wild speculations aside, we showed the killer?s face in Episode 1.?

Wait a second, though?wasn?t scarface lawnmower man not shown until ?The Locked Room,? which was episode three? Hmmmm?CONSPIRACY!

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[quote]Brett620 wrote:
I’m pretty sure Cohle is not the killer, BUT his present-day character should be a inspiration for a writer/director to cast MM in an epic villain role. A kind of Texas-style White-Trash Hanibal Lecter.

I think he would be absolutely brilliant as a get in your head type of villain. [/quote]
He’s already played this role in Killer Joe.

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I think in the end the plot will be pretty straight forward.

The brilliance is in how he keeps the audience second-guessing and wrapped up in all of these possible suspects/scenarios.

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[quote]Brett620 wrote:
I think in the end the plot will be pretty straight forward.

The brilliance is in how he keeps the audience second-guessing and wrapped up in all of these possible suspects/scenarios. [/quote]
A lot of that is Fukunaga’s directing too.