I don’t think Hart as much to do w/it as you might think. I’m guessing here, but Cohle will show him vid of his daughter this week w/the 5 horsemen. Or something along those lines. Though, it would not surprise me if Maggie was involved & allowed her dad to use the child in this manner. Similar to what he did to her…
[quote]print wrote:
One more before I drown y’all w/all this.
If you look at the beer can people that Cohle made, you’ll notice all the heads are yellow & they are stars OR police shields…[/quote]
My head has officially been fucked.
[quote]James Brown wrote:
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
[quote]James Brown wrote:
It seems to me that viewers are being tricked into thinking that Rust is the killer; My view is that Rust is the “good guy”. The police are putting a lot of effort into preventing him from investigating further, suggesting they have something to hide and Rust is close to uncovering the truth.
I’m loving it so far. McConaughey has definitely carved a new image for himself, proving that he is far more versatile than previous roles have given him credit for. I liked his stint in The Wolf of Wall Street too.
I’ll give props to any man who willingly sheds muscle.[/quote]
It was too obvious that Rust may have been perceived as the killer by many. The dark horse to me is Hart, there’s a lot going on with that relatively quiet good family man. Definilely on the amoral side and something’s going on with his oldest daughter.
Rob[/quote]
Agreed. What about his wife?[/quote]
Although the wife character has strongly developed, I don’t think she has any involvement in the killings. There is talk of her father possibly being involved, but that may be a stretch.
The lawn guy is listed to be in E7 and E8, so he’s still in the mix. Does he have scars under the beard? But how do green earmuffs equate to green ears? Hard to mix those up unless you’re on the 7th ring of Pluto in a drug haze.
One of the keys is the figures Cohle was cutting out of the beer cans, look at the stars on the heads, which = crowns or badges?
Rob
If you noticed, Rust doesn’t just hold back, he flat out refuses to fight. The only punch he throws is when he is trying to get Marty to keel over and throw him. Earlier in the episode, Marty makes a reference to the boys that had sex with his daughter . Something along the lines of “a man’s game, a man’s consequences.”
If anybody is interested in more theories, check out http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/
I have thought it was going to be the lawn guy almost since he showed up. I think now I am leaning towards one of the detectives that you have met but not really noticed working in concert with Tuttle. Potentially the grass cutter as well, Tuttle’s dirty worker.
[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
If you noticed, Rust doesn’t just hold back, he flat out refuses to fight. The only punch he throws is when he is trying to get Marty to keel over and throw him. Earlier in the episode, Marty makes a reference to the boys that had sex with his daughter . Something along the lines of “a man’s game, a man’s consequences.”
If anybody is interested in more theories, check out http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/[/quote]
Rust let’s him get his punches in because he feels obligated after boning his wife.
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
[quote]James Brown wrote:
It seems to me that viewers are being tricked into thinking that Rust is the killer; My view is that Rust is the “good guy”. The police are putting a lot of effort into preventing him from investigating further, suggesting they have something to hide and Rust is close to uncovering the truth.
I’m loving it so far. McConaughey has definitely carved a new image for himself, proving that he is far more versatile than previous roles have given him credit for. I liked his stint in The Wolf of Wall Street too.
I’ll give props to any man who willingly sheds muscle.[/quote]
It was too obvious that Rust may have been perceived as the killer by many. The dark horse to me is Hart, there’s a lot going on with that relatively quiet good family man. Definilely on the amoral side and something’s going on with his oldest daughter.
Rob[/quote]
It should be fairly clear that neither of them are the killers unless episode 7 reveals some stupid shit, the writer is too good for it to be some obvious plot twist like that. I think it’s a sex trafficking thing for a cult. There have been cases like this in real life as well. Either the churchgoers are actually yellow king/satan worshipers or it’s a sex trafficking thing or a group molesting kids. Either way I doubt Tuddle participated but I believe he covered it up so it wouldn’t tarnish his name. Many cops were paid off too including the major who suspended Rust. The Hart Marty theories are stuuupid.
One because we know Marty has a very old school Madonna whore thing and the idea of harming kids like that sickens him. Next because Rust lost a kid and is obsessed with solving this case.
[quote]print wrote:
I don’t think Hart as much to do w/it as you might think. I’m guessing here, but Cohle will show him vid of his daughter this week w/the 5 horsemen. Or something along those lines. Though, it would not surprise me if Maggie was involved & allowed her dad to use the child in this manner. Similar to what he did to her…[/quote]
Way too much of a stretch for that to happen. Maybe her grandpa, although I could see the grandpa sexually abusing the daughter as a side story.
[quote]print wrote:
The killer is transparent & right in front of us. From the bedroom of the Banshee chick.[/quote]
I caught that too.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
[quote]James Brown wrote:
It seems to me that viewers are being tricked into thinking that Rust is the killer; My view is that Rust is the “good guy”. The police are putting a lot of effort into preventing him from investigating further, suggesting they have something to hide and Rust is close to uncovering the truth.
I’m loving it so far. McConaughey has definitely carved a new image for himself, proving that he is far more versatile than previous roles have given him credit for. I liked his stint in The Wolf of Wall Street too.
I’ll give props to any man who willingly sheds muscle.[/quote]
It was too obvious that Rust may have been perceived as the killer by many. The dark horse to me is Hart, there’s a lot going on with that relatively quiet good family man. Definilely on the amoral side and something’s going on with his oldest daughter.
Rob[/quote]
It should be fairly clear that neither of them are the killers unless episode 7 reveals some stupid shit, the writer is too good for it to be some obvious plot twist like that. I think it’s a sex trafficking thing for a cult. There have been cases like this in real life as well. Either the churchgoers are actually yellow king/satan worshipers or it’s a sex trafficking thing or a group molesting kids. Either way I doubt Tuddle participated but I believe he covered it up so it wouldn’t tarnish his name. Many cops were paid off too including the major who suspended Rust. The Hart Marty theories are stuuupid.
One because we know Marty has a very old school Madonna whore thing and the idea of harming kids like that sickens him. Next because Rust lost a kid and is obsessed with solving this case. [/quote]
Whatever it is, it has to be on a large scale with deep roots. And the killer(s) have been waved under our noses the whole time. I like the 5-horsemen angle, but who are they? I’ve read that they may be cops in the same precinct that Hart and Cohle worked at.
Its a great show… The last 2 episodes have been a lil flat but so far its great. Im sure Rusty is not the yellow king. Its a conspiracy Im pretty sure its that ultra Christian group thats behind the murders
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Its a great show… The last 2 episodes have been a lil flat but so far its great. Im sure Rusty is not the yellow king. Its a conspiracy Im pretty sure its that ultra Christian group thats behind the murders[/quote]
I think a lot of little things have gone over my head in all the previous shows. I’ll watch as many of the old episodes prior to Sunday night. Definitely something going on with the church and I’d say the cops are involved at least for covering up as much as they can.
So this may be why the case was assigned to Hart and Cohle. Cohle was pegged for a whack job, Hart may have been thought of as not being that slick. Nobody ever figured that Cohle would take the case and run with it.
Rob
[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
Up to speed now. Don’t think Marty or Rust are the killers.
I think Marty may die. Read somewhere a theory about the character names having meanings: that “Marty Hart” could be a distortion of “Martyr Hart”, where “Hart” is the Old English word for stag. The stag part makes sense as he certainly likes to sire them does and has a combative personality.
I do think it’s strange that Marty saw the way his daughter was playing with the dolls but never mentioned it to his wife, especially when her drawings were brought to light.
I’m leaning towards a police/church child molestation ring.
I ventured out of PWI specifically to find out whether people were talking about True Detective. I’m not a big TV guy, but of the series I’ve seen and liked, it’s already taken the undisputed top spot.
I think tomorrow night’s episode will put the “Marty/Rust is the killer” theories in the ground (though I’ve suspected Marty from time to time), and I think we’ll finally have an unambiguous idea as to where the story is actually going.
Even more than the narrative-plot and emotional resolutions, I’m looking forward to seeing where Rust ends up philosophically. He’s been as much a hypocrite as Marty in many ways–he talks a big atheist, anti-natalist, existential-nihilist, everybody-is-nobody game, but just about everything he does is in service of a strict, obvious morality. (Why, for example, put the kid in the bathtub during that balls-out single shot raid scene, if that kid is nobody? Why did Ledoux deserve to die, if he, too, was nobody?) Say Rust dies in the final conflict, doesn’t that mean Marty’s idea about community and the common good win out, in the end?
I never really got the feeling either one of them were the killers or that the show writers expected us to feel this way, that would really destroy the shows intent. I just think it’s one of those “no one believes them” scenarios where it’s just a mechanism for the writers to do very morally ambiguous characters. If the guys were just standard stand up cops, the show would just be another run of the mill crime series.
by making them flawed characters it drives the bleak nature of the show forward.
Or i could be completely wrong. I think that would be some kind of midnight shamamamlallalan move that would really gut the entire premise.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
I ventured out of PWI specifically to find out whether people were talking about True Detective. I’m not a big TV guy, but of the series I’ve seen and liked, it’s already taken the undisputed top spot.
I think tomorrow night’s episode will put the “Marty/Rust is the killer” theories in the ground (though I’ve suspected Marty from time to time), and I think we’ll finally have an unambiguous idea as to where the story is actually going.
Even more than the narrative-plot and emotional resolutions, I’m looking forward to seeing where Rust ends up philosophically. He’s been as much a hypocrite as Marty in many ways–he talks a big atheist, anti-natalist, existential-nihilist, everybody-is-nobody game, but just about everything he does is in service of a strict, obvious morality. (Why, for example, put the kid in the bathtub during that balls-out single shot raid scene, if that kid is nobody? Why did Ledoux deserve to die, if he, too, was nobody?) Say Rust dies in the final conflict, doesn’t that mean Marty’s idea about community and the common good win out, in the end?[/quote]
I think the reason Rust puts kids in the bathtub or looks down on Marty for cheating on his wife has nothing to do with religion. Rust is a “true detective” or true cop. His sense of right and wrong is what drives him. Athiesist tend to value life more as they see it as you get one shot. Neumerous times in the show it points out organized religion is a sham and can easily lead sheep to slaughter. Hence how the show will most likely end up.
Remember Tutle was the conected to the Governor somehow and wanted a task force to sweep away the murders. Also the original captain is not there anymore but the white haired prick that reemed Rust is still ranked above LeRoy(the new cap) Someohow this turd shows up everytime he rubs up on something in the case. Im pretty sure its a conspiracy with Tutle, some high ranking cops, and maybe the governor. I dont think the gardner is the yellow king thats pretty lame, at best hes a underling. Once the show is over it will show Rust as a hero of non religiouse orgins uncovering a hypocracy of ultra christian child molesting murderers in high level positions.