[quote]browndisaster wrote:
how would Braveheart Mel beat Gladiator Mel???[/quote]
And to think I was excited to post my story in this thread! BWAH!
[quote]steven alex wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
I would say Payback and Braveheart would both beat LW
Braveheart has got to be first
who would you back between Braveheart and Gladiator UFC rules plus one sword each?[/quote]
no way would Payback Mel beat LW Mel. Remember that scene at the end of LW when he kills a bunch of guys when he’s handcuffed and then shouts “Who’s fucking next?”? Badass.
Braveheart Mel could probably beat LW in a square go, but LW Mel has a gun which puts Braveheart Mel at a serious disadvantage
Braveheart and Gladiator is easy; Scots beat Italians every time.
[quote]Cockburn wrote:
You’re forgetting Bird on a Wire Mel, arguably the most hardcore :)[/quote]
I love that movie!
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Yeah your dead right Scots beat Italians thats why they built that bloody big wall [/quote]
haha awesome point with Hadrians Wall
- YouTube Mel GIbson just being hardcore Mel
[quote]steven alex wrote:
South Shields lad?[/quote]
Yep but I haven’t lived there for going on 10 years. Going back for the Good Friday session this year though 
Real hardcore. You lightweights too scared to step on the scale 
To me hardcore is an attitude:
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Invests himself 100% in every training session, regarless of his goal or training style. To me, someone who does Crossfit all out is more hardcore than someone who does bodybuilding or strongman at 75%
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Has the confidence in himself that allows him to never judge anybody because they are doing something different and to never puts himself in direct competition with someone else who does the same thing.
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Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
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Someone who do not care what others think of him and of what he does in the gym. He is not afraid of being judged because as long as he is satisfied with what he does, it’s all that matters.
I don’t really like the term, but people who train hard and consistent (make progress) remind “regular” people of how fat and lazy they are.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
Is it just me or do both of the previous posts not make much sense?[/quote]
fml russell crowe =/= mel gibson
I hope csulli doesn’t see this[/quote]
Hey I like both of their movies anyway lol.
To me hardcore is when you make it a lifestyle. Training hard and eating right becomes a lifestyle when you are “hardcore” about wanting results. I don’t know why it’s seen as a bad thing, but I feel the same way sometime. How can people be so negative towards it sometimes? How does me wanting to eat right/train affect your life negatively in any way?
I just saw DoubleDuce’s post, and I completely agree. I had never thought about it that way, but I guess in a way we are a constant reminder to people that they are unmotivated/lazy and there is probably jealousy there.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To me hardcore is an attitude:
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Invests himself 100% in every training session, regarless of his goal or training style. To me, someone who does Crossfit all out is more hardcore than someone who does bodybuilding or strongman at 75%
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Has the confidence in himself that allows him to never judge anybody because they are doing something different and to never puts himself in direct competition with someone else who does the same thing.
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Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
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Someone who do not care what others think of him and of what he does in the gym. He is not afraid of being judged because as long as he is satisfied with what he does, it’s all that matters.[/quote]
items 1, 2, 3 and 4 above are signs that the person is taking lifting waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
(unless of course one is a professional athlete, which 99.99999% of the T-Nation are not. If one is a pro athlete, one isnt being “hardcore” by following the above points, one is “doing their job”)
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To me hardcore is an attitude:
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Invests himself 100% in every training session, regarless of his goal or training style. To me, someone who does Crossfit all out is more hardcore than someone who does bodybuilding or strongman at 75%
-
Has the confidence in himself that allows him to never judge anybody because they are doing something different and to never puts himself in direct competition with someone else who does the same thing.
-
Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
-
Someone who do not care what others think of him and of what he does in the gym. He is not afraid of being judged because as long as he is satisfied with what he does, it’s all that matters.[/quote]
items 1, 2, 3 and 4 above are signs that the person is taking lifting waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
(unless of course one is a professional athlete, which 99.99999% of the T-Nation are not. If one is a pro athlete, one isnt being “hardcore” by following the above points, one is “doing their job”)
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So you’re recommending half assed training or what? I’m going to compete next year. Should I not do everything with 100% effort?
I see nothing wrong, or overly serious, about the items listed.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
- Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
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I like this comment. I think there can be way too much “religion” when it comes to bodybuilding/weightlifting practice. I know i’ve fallen into that category from time to time.
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To me hardcore is an attitude:
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Invests himself 100% in every training session, regarless of his goal or training style. To me, someone who does Crossfit all out is more hardcore than someone who does bodybuilding or strongman at 75%
-
Has the confidence in himself that allows him to never judge anybody because they are doing something different and to never puts himself in direct competition with someone else who does the same thing.
-
Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
-
Someone who do not care what others think of him and of what he does in the gym. He is not afraid of being judged because as long as he is satisfied with what he does, it’s all that matters.[/quote]
items 1, 2, 3 and 4 above are signs that the person is taking lifting waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
(unless of course one is a professional athlete, which 99.99999% of the T-Nation are not. If one is a pro athlete, one isnt being “hardcore” by following the above points, one is “doing their job”)
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Again, I don’t understand why people who are not pros cant take lifting “too seriously”.
How is it any different from the hiker, the chess player, the competitive video gamer, the MMAer, the ?
All of those activities at one point or another got in the way of life’s defacto #1 priorities, but no one looks down on them so much (well maybe video games). I guess because lifting is seen as more “vain” in nature?
Good thread. It’s all about persistence. What’s hardcore to me? Hardcore to me is to push myself through the pain, heavy lifting, and enduring plain chicken breasts and unsweetened yams instead of pizza. I train like a man possessed with, or without an partner or audience. 5 days 7 days a week-- I don’t give a shit. When they’re out drinking, Im on the Stepmill, when they talking arms, Im in the squat rack, When they out talking about going to the gym, Im already there! I look at a barbell its lunch, and Im always hungry. Am I the most hardcore? Not even close. However, I knew of men who would not cease until they topple obstacles and get to the end as they had envisioned. When Im in the gym, don’t shit else matters.
-Savage
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To me hardcore is an attitude:
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Invests himself 100% in every training session, regarless of his goal or training style. To me, someone who does Crossfit all out is more hardcore than someone who does bodybuilding or strongman at 75%
-
Has the confidence in himself that allows him to never judge anybody because they are doing something different and to never puts himself in direct competition with someone else who does the same thing.
-
Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
-
Someone who do not care what others think of him and of what he does in the gym. He is not afraid of being judged because as long as he is satisfied with what he does, it’s all that matters.[/quote]
items 1, 2, 3 and 4 above are signs that the person is taking lifting waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
(unless of course one is a professional athlete, which 99.99999% of the T-Nation are not. If one is a pro athlete, one isnt being “hardcore” by following the above points, one is “doing their job”)
[/quote]
I’m not sure I see where you coming from. You mean following these points indicates an unhealthy attitude? So if I understand you correctly it is healthy and normal to do half-assed workouts at the gym but also turn lifting into a pissing contest when someone elses workout is similar and live in constant fear of being judged by others in the gym?
I mean honestly points 1, 2, 4, seem like basic work ethics and emotional maturity, #3 is like healthy skepticism, figure out the truth so you don’t duped by bullshit.
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To me hardcore is an attitude:
-
Invests himself 100% in every training session, regarless of his goal or training style. To me, someone who does Crossfit all out is more hardcore than someone who does bodybuilding or strongman at 75%
-
Has the confidence in himself that allows him to never judge anybody because they are doing something different and to never puts himself in direct competition with someone else who does the same thing.
-
Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
-
Someone who do not care what others think of him and of what he does in the gym. He is not afraid of being judged because as long as he is satisfied with what he does, it’s all that matters.[/quote]
items 1, 2, 3 and 4 above are signs that the person is taking lifting waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
(unless of course one is a professional athlete, which 99.99999% of the T-Nation are not. If one is a pro athlete, one isnt being “hardcore” by following the above points, one is “doing their job”)
[/quote]
I’m not sure I see where you coming from. You mean following these points indicates an unhealthy attitude? So if I understand you correctly it is healthy and normal to do half-assed workouts at the gym but also turn lifting into a pissing contest when someone elses workout is similar and live in constant fear of being judged by others in the gym?
I mean honestly points 1, 2, 4, seem like basic work ethics and emotional maturity, #3 is like healthy skepticism, figure out the truth so you don’t duped by bullshit.[/quote]
ok, for clarity, I think that in item 1."investing 100% in every session is a worthy aim but not realistic. “100%” makes working out too much like real working. Have a bit of fun man, and if you invest 90% workout plus 10% fun you might get better results for longer
item 2 talks about confidence, judgement and competition with other people. fair enough but to many people these words dont come into a regular session. see 3 below.
item 3. its not a craft, you cant become a master of it. its exercise, its fun, its not work, its not work, its fun, its not work, its exercise repeat ad nauseum. Still item 3 “truth” “knowledge” are words used in religion/science/the professions but lifting weights -not so appropriate
item 4 is back to judgement again, see items 2 and 3
its all just too serious for me. you dont need to be like that to be “hardcore” imo
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
Good thread. It’s all about persistence. What’s hardcore to me? Hardcore to me is to push myself through the pain, heavy lifting, and enduring plain chicken breasts and unsweetened yams instead of pizza. I train like a man possessed with, or without an partner or audience. 5 days 7 days a week-- I don’t give a shit. When they’re out drinking, Im on the Stepmill, when they talking arms, Im in the squat rack, When they out talking about going to the gym, Im already there! I look at a barbell its lunch, and Im always hungry. Am I the most hardcore? Not even close. However, I knew of men who would not cease until they topple obstacles and get to the end as they had envisioned. When Im in the gym, don’t shit else matters.
-Savage[/quote]
When I read your posts this is the voice I hear in my head.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
Good thread. It’s all about persistence. What’s hardcore to me? Hardcore to me is to push myself through the pain, heavy lifting, and enduring plain chicken breasts and unsweetened yams instead of pizza. I train like a man possessed with, or without an partner or audience. 5 days 7 days a week-- I don’t give a shit. When they’re out drinking, Im on the Stepmill, when they talking arms, Im in the squat rack, When they out talking about going to the gym, Im already there! I look at a barbell its lunch, and Im always hungry. Am I the most hardcore? Not even close. However, I knew of men who would not cease until they topple obstacles and get to the end as they had envisioned. When Im in the gym, don’t shit else matters.
-Savage[/quote]
When I read your posts this is the voice I hear in my head.
[/quote]
That is perfect…
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To me hardcore is an attitude:
-
Invests himself 100% in every training session, regarless of his goal or training style. To me, someone who does Crossfit all out is more hardcore than someone who does bodybuilding or strongman at 75%
-
Has the confidence in himself that allows him to never judge anybody because they are doing something different and to never puts himself in direct competition with someone else who does the same thing.
-
Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
-
Someone who do not care what others think of him and of what he does in the gym. He is not afraid of being judged because as long as he is satisfied with what he does, it’s all that matters.[/quote]
items 1, 2, 3 and 4 above are signs that the person is taking lifting waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
(unless of course one is a professional athlete, which 99.99999% of the T-Nation are not. If one is a pro athlete, one isnt being “hardcore” by following the above points, one is “doing their job”)
[/quote]
I’m not sure I see where you coming from. You mean following these points indicates an unhealthy attitude? So if I understand you correctly it is healthy and normal to do half-assed workouts at the gym but also turn lifting into a pissing contest when someone elses workout is similar and live in constant fear of being judged by others in the gym?
I mean honestly points 1, 2, 4, seem like basic work ethics and emotional maturity, #3 is like healthy skepticism, figure out the truth so you don’t duped by bullshit.[/quote]
ok, for clarity, I think that in item 1."investing 100% in every session is a worthy aim but not realistic. “100%” makes working out too much like real working. Have a bit of fun man, and if you invest 90% workout plus 10% fun you might get better results for longer
item 2 talks about confidence, judgement and competition with other people. fair enough but to many people these words dont come into a regular session. see 3 below.
item 3. its not a craft, you cant become a master of it. its exercise, its fun, its not work, its not work, its fun, its not work, its exercise repeat ad nauseum. Still item 3 “truth” “knowledge” are words used in religion/science/the professions but lifting weights -not so appropriate
item 4 is back to judgement again, see items 2 and 3
its all just too serious for me. you dont need to be like that to be “hardcore” imo
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90% is closer to 100% than 75% is (the figure used in the example). Of course its just as unrealistic to expect to reach an IDEAL in training as it is in any aspect of life (career, personal development, relationships), but that’s not an excuse to give less effort. And honestly, a lot of the things I’ve seen people do in the gym lead me to believe they have no actual goals or if they do, then they don’t seem to do what it takes to reach them. A lot of it does seem to be just showing off and attention whoring. Its none of my concern if people do that, but saying that actually focusing on, and learning how to, reach specific goals is “too serious”, I’m left wondering why the alternative is better?
IMO its just not that difficult to be hardcore. I mean sure its difficult, but not extremely difficult. The alternatives are very very easy and for that reason people find them more attractive, but they’re not for me
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To me hardcore is an attitude:
-
Invests himself 100% in every training session, regarless of his goal or training style. To me, someone who does Crossfit all out is more hardcore than someone who does bodybuilding or strongman at 75%
-
Has the confidence in himself that allows him to never judge anybody because they are doing something different and to never puts himself in direct competition with someone else who does the same thing.
-
Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
-
Someone who do not care what others think of him and of what he does in the gym. He is not afraid of being judged because as long as he is satisfied with what he does, it’s all that matters.[/quote]
items 1, 2, 3 and 4 above are signs that the person is taking lifting waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
(unless of course one is a professional athlete, which 99.99999% of the T-Nation are not. If one is a pro athlete, one isnt being “hardcore” by following the above points, one is “doing their job”)
[/quote]
I’m not sure I see where you coming from. You mean following these points indicates an unhealthy attitude? So if I understand you correctly it is healthy and normal to do half-assed workouts at the gym but also turn lifting into a pissing contest when someone elses workout is similar and live in constant fear of being judged by others in the gym?
I mean honestly points 1, 2, 4, seem like basic work ethics and emotional maturity, #3 is like healthy skepticism, figure out the truth so you don’t duped by bullshit.[/quote]
ok, for clarity, I think that in item 1."investing 100% in every session is a worthy aim but not realistic. “100%” makes working out too much like real working. Have a bit of fun man, and if you invest 90% workout plus 10% fun you might get better results for longer
item 2 talks about confidence, judgement and competition with other people. fair enough but to many people these words dont come into a regular session. see 3 below.
item 3. its not a craft, you cant become a master of it. its exercise, its fun, its not work, its not work, its fun, its not work, its exercise repeat ad nauseum. Still item 3 “truth” “knowledge” are words used in religion/science/the professions but lifting weights -not so appropriate
item 4 is back to judgement again, see items 2 and 3
its all just too serious for me. you dont need to be like that to be “hardcore” imo
[/quote]
Well what is hardcore to you?
Cause your points are pointing to mediocrity or a hobby which is fine but could never be labeled “hardcore” or even serious lifter.
The OP was in regards to attitude and commitment to a lifting/healthy lifestyle not darts at the local watering hole.
what does 10% fun mean?
if 10% fun is “screw around and do things that don’t cause any growth”, then it’s a waste of time