[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
what does 10% fun mean?
if 10% fun is “screw around and do things that don’t cause any growth”, then it’s a waste of time[/quote]
Exactly. If I give 100% (whatever that really means), I have more enjoyment than if I have no goals and give less(50%? 38%?). I’m willing to bet that gym members who only go through the motion have the least amount of fun. It takes effort to hit a PR but it never ceases to make my day.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
what does 10% fun mean?
if 10% fun is “screw around and do things that don’t cause any growth”, then it’s a waste of time[/quote]
Exactly. If I give 100% (whatever that really means), I have more enjoyment than if I have no goals and give less(50%? 38%?). I’m willing to bet that gym members who only go through the motion have the least amount of fun. It takes effort to hit a PR but it never ceases to make my day.[/quote]
don’t you ever just do fun stuff in the gym? Like if I am feeling really beat up and need to talk a week off (OMFG he takes a week off sometimes!) I’ll hit the gym a couple of times during my “off” week and do rehab stuff, but I’ll throw in some shit I like but hardly ever do like power snatches, complexes, that sort of shit. I call it “olympic fun day”.
nobody else ever just have a “fun” workout sometimes?
breaking PRs is fun
if you’re not measuring progression on those “fun” days I don’t know what is fun about that
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
breaking PRs is fun
if you’re not measuring progression on those “fun” days I don’t know what is fun about that
[/quote]
lol, it’s a rehab workout with a couple of things I like thrown in for funzies. It’s not like I hit a PR on external rotations and go YEEEEAAAAHHHH HARDCORE BABYYYY
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
what does 10% fun mean?
if 10% fun is “screw around and do things that don’t cause any growth”, then it’s a waste of time[/quote]
Exactly. If I give 100% (whatever that really means), I have more enjoyment than if I have no goals and give less(50%? 38%?). I’m willing to bet that gym members who only go through the motion have the least amount of fun. It takes effort to hit a PR but it never ceases to make my day.[/quote]
don’t you ever just do fun stuff in the gym? Like if I am feeling really beat up and need to talk a week off (OMFG he takes a week off sometimes!) I’ll hit the gym a couple of times during my “off” week and do rehab stuff, but I’ll throw in some shit I like but hardly ever do like power snatches, complexes, that sort of shit. I call it “olympic fun day”.
nobody else ever just have a “fun” workout sometimes?[/quote]
I do this every now and then. On Friday nights, the gym is desolate. I like to do random shit that I never get to do because the gym is packed/I’m working other muscles. I do enjoy doing some prehab, screwing around with kettlebells, or trying a new exercise I read about.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To me hardcore is an attitude:
Invests himself 100% in every training session, regarless of his goal or training style. To me, someone who does Crossfit all out is more hardcore than someone who does bodybuilding or strongman at 75%
Has the confidence in himself that allows him to never judge anybody because they are doing something different and to never puts himself in direct competition with someone else who does the same thing.
Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
Someone who do not care what others think of him and of what he does in the gym. He is not afraid of being judged because as long as he is satisfied with what he does, it’s all that matters.[/quote]
items 1, 2, 3 and 4 above are signs that the person is taking lifting waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
(unless of course one is a professional athlete, which 99.99999% of the T-Nation are not. If one is a pro athlete, one isnt being “hardcore” by following the above points, one is “doing their job”)
[/quote]
I’m not sure I see where you coming from. You mean following these points indicates an unhealthy attitude? So if I understand you correctly it is healthy and normal to do half-assed workouts at the gym but also turn lifting into a pissing contest when someone elses workout is similar and live in constant fear of being judged by others in the gym?
I mean honestly points 1, 2, 4, seem like basic work ethics and emotional maturity, #3 is like healthy skepticism, figure out the truth so you don’t duped by bullshit.[/quote]
ok, for clarity, I think that in item 1."investing 100% in every session is a worthy aim but not realistic. “100%” makes working out too much like real working. Have a bit of fun man, and if you invest 90% workout plus 10% fun you might get better results for longer
item 2 talks about confidence, judgement and competition with other people. fair enough but to many people these words dont come into a regular session. see 3 below.
item 3. its not a craft, you cant become a master of it. its exercise, its fun, its not work, its not work, its fun, its not work, its exercise repeat ad nauseum. Still item 3 “truth” “knowledge” are words used in religion/science/the professions but lifting weights -not so appropriate
item 4 is back to judgement again, see items 2 and 3
its all just too serious for me. you dont need to be like that to be “hardcore” imo
[/quote]
Well what is hardcore to you?
Cause your points are pointing to mediocrity or a hobby which is fine but could never be labeled “hardcore” or even serious lifter.
The OP was in regards to attitude and commitment to a lifting/healthy lifestyle not darts at the local watering hole. [/quote]
hi Deek,
on page 2 I wrote this:-
my version of hardcore includes:-
lifting for decades rather than years
not getting “big but am really just fat”
not taking drugs as I view that as the less manly way of doing things
not showing off ones beach muscles, safe in the knowledge that the traps/glutes combo trumps them
but yes, lifting weights is to some extent a hobby of mine, and yes, I am mediocre at it. However, I have fun doing it, have done it for 25 years, will continue to do it for another 25 years. I couldn’t lift for 25 years without some fun, less than 100% workouts.
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
what does 10% fun mean?
if 10% fun is “screw around and do things that don’t cause any growth”, then it’s a waste of time[/quote]
fun is whatever you find fun. and the other 90% is for growth,
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, you know
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
what does 10% fun mean?
if 10% fun is “screw around and do things that don’t cause any growth”, then it’s a waste of time[/quote]
Exactly. If I give 100% (whatever that really means), I have more enjoyment than if I have no goals and give less(50%? 38%?). I’m willing to bet that gym members who only go through the motion have the least amount of fun. It takes effort to hit a PR but it never ceases to make my day.[/quote]
don’t you ever just do fun stuff in the gym? Like if I am feeling really beat up and need to talk a week off (OMFG he takes a week off sometimes!) I’ll hit the gym a couple of times during my “off” week and do rehab stuff, but I’ll throw in some shit I like but hardly ever do like power snatches, complexes, that sort of shit. I call it “olympic fun day”.
nobody else ever just have a “fun” workout sometimes?[/quote]
maybe its just a Scottish thing, this strange notion of fun
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
breaking PRs is fun
if you’re not measuring progression on those “fun” days I don’t know what is fun about that
[/quote]
I suspect you don’t know what fun is. try doing something for a laugh, go on man you might enjoy it
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
what does 10% fun mean?
if 10% fun is “screw around and do things that don’t cause any growth”, then it’s a waste of time[/quote]
Exactly. If I give 100% (whatever that really means), I have more enjoyment than if I have no goals and give less(50%? 38%?). I’m willing to bet that gym members who only go through the motion have the least amount of fun. It takes effort to hit a PR but it never ceases to make my day.[/quote]
don’t you ever just do fun stuff in the gym? Like if I am feeling really beat up and need to talk a week off (OMFG he takes a week off sometimes!) I’ll hit the gym a couple of times during my “off” week and do rehab stuff, but I’ll throw in some shit I like but hardly ever do like power snatches, complexes, that sort of shit. I call it “olympic fun day”.
nobody else ever just have a “fun” workout sometimes?[/quote]
I do this every now and then. On Friday nights, the gym is desolate. I like to do random shit that I never get to do because the gym is packed/I’m working other muscles. I do enjoy doing some prehab, screwing around with kettlebells, or trying a new exercise I read about. [/quote]
sounds fun to me
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To me hardcore is an attitude:
Invests himself 100% in every training session, regarless of his goal or training style. To me, someone who does Crossfit all out is more hardcore than someone who does bodybuilding or strongman at 75%
Has the confidence in himself that allows him to never judge anybody because they are doing something different and to never puts himself in direct competition with someone else who does the same thing.
Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
Someone who do not care what others think of him and of what he does in the gym. He is not afraid of being judged because as long as he is satisfied with what he does, it’s all that matters.[/quote]
items 1, 2, 3 and 4 above are signs that the person is taking lifting waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
(unless of course one is a professional athlete, which 99.99999% of the T-Nation are not. If one is a pro athlete, one isnt being “hardcore” by following the above points, one is “doing their job”)
[/quote]
I’m not sure I see where you coming from. You mean following these points indicates an unhealthy attitude? So if I understand you correctly it is healthy and normal to do half-assed workouts at the gym but also turn lifting into a pissing contest when someone elses workout is similar and live in constant fear of being judged by others in the gym?
I mean honestly points 1, 2, 4, seem like basic work ethics and emotional maturity, #3 is like healthy skepticism, figure out the truth so you don’t duped by bullshit.[/quote]
ok, for clarity, I think that in item 1."investing 100% in every session is a worthy aim but not realistic. “100%” makes working out too much like real working. Have a bit of fun man, and if you invest 90% workout plus 10% fun you might get better results for longer
item 2 talks about confidence, judgement and competition with other people. fair enough but to many people these words dont come into a regular session. see 3 below.
item 3. its not a craft, you cant become a master of it. its exercise, its fun, its not work, its not work, its fun, its not work, its exercise repeat ad nauseum. Still item 3 “truth” “knowledge” are words used in religion/science/the professions but lifting weights -not so appropriate
item 4 is back to judgement again, see items 2 and 3
its all just too serious for me. you dont need to be like that to be “hardcore” imo
[/quote]
Well what is hardcore to you?
Cause your points are pointing to mediocrity or a hobby which is fine but could never be labeled “hardcore” or even serious lifter.
The OP was in regards to attitude and commitment to a lifting/healthy lifestyle not darts at the local watering hole. [/quote]
hi Deek,
on page 2 I wrote this:-
my version of hardcore includes:-
lifting for decades rather than years
not getting “big but am really just fat”
not taking drugs as I view that as the less manly way of doing things
not showing off ones beach muscles, safe in the knowledge that the traps/glutes combo trumps them
but yes, lifting weights is to some extent a hobby of mine, and yes, I am mediocre at it. However, I have fun doing it, have done it for 25 years, will continue to do it for another 25 years. I couldn’t lift for 25 years without some fun, less than 100% workouts. [/quote]
10-4 missed that.
For the record its a hobby for me.
But to some it could be and is a life style that would be considered “hardcore”
Guys like Wendler and Tate lifted for 25 years, accomplished a lot, had fun doing it would consider them “hardcore”.
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
what does 10% fun mean?
if 10% fun is “screw around and do things that don’t cause any growth”, then it’s a waste of time[/quote]
fun is whatever you find fun. and the other 90% is for growth,
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, you know[/quote]
the aren’t mutually exclusive, though
dunno why you are implying the “working out” part isn’t fun
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
what does 10% fun mean?
if 10% fun is “screw around and do things that don’t cause any growth”, then it’s a waste of time[/quote]
fun is whatever you find fun. and the other 90% is for growth,
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, you know[/quote]
the aren’t mutually exclusive, though
dunno why you are implying the “working out” part isn’t fun
[/quote]
Good point. I was having a problem with that also. Being in the gym is “fun” to me. That means my whole workout is what I am there to enjoy. I don’t usually do things JUST to have fun doing it. That would involve sex on the Hammer Strength machines.
How hardcore someone is is only as good as the results they get IMO. Who cares if someone carries there food with them everyday, reads “hardcore” magazines, and screams and yells in the gym if they don’t have the results to show for it. A 650 deadlift is hardcore, whether someone lifts that weight in an LA Fitness or Metroplex. In the “Day in the Life” of Kai Greene vid, he was cooking his food with no A/C on and sweating like a pig in his house when he didn’t need to. Hardcore? No f’ing stupid.
What matters is the results you get, not how hardcore you think you were while getting there.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To me hardcore is an attitude:
Invests himself 100% in every training session, regarless of his goal or training style. To me, someone who does Crossfit all out is more hardcore than someone who does bodybuilding or strongman at 75%
Has the confidence in himself that allows him to never judge anybody because they are doing something different and to never puts himself in direct competition with someone else who does the same thing.
Someone who becomes a master of his craft, once he picks an objective he learns everything possible to be the best possible in that realm. He doesn’t care where the truth comes from, he only cares to learn it. And once he has lots of knowledge he is happy to help others out if they ask it, but do not antagonize those with different opinions and do not force his knowledge on someone who isn’t receptive.
Someone who do not care what others think of him and of what he does in the gym. He is not afraid of being judged because as long as he is satisfied with what he does, it’s all that matters.[/quote]
items 1, 2, 3 and 4 above are signs that the person is taking lifting waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
(unless of course one is a professional athlete, which 99.99999% of the T-Nation are not. If one is a pro athlete, one isnt being “hardcore” by following the above points, one is “doing their job”)
[/quote]
I’m not sure I see where you coming from. You mean following these points indicates an unhealthy attitude? So if I understand you correctly it is healthy and normal to do half-assed workouts at the gym but also turn lifting into a pissing contest when someone elses workout is similar and live in constant fear of being judged by others in the gym?
I mean honestly points 1, 2, 4, seem like basic work ethics and emotional maturity, #3 is like healthy skepticism, figure out the truth so you don’t duped by bullshit.[/quote]
ok, for clarity, I think that in item 1."investing 100% in every session is a worthy aim but not realistic. “100%” makes working out too much like real working. Have a bit of fun man, and if you invest 90% workout plus 10% fun you might get better results for longer
item 2 talks about confidence, judgement and competition with other people. fair enough but to many people these words dont come into a regular session. see 3 below.
item 3. its not a craft, you cant become a master of it. its exercise, its fun, its not work, its not work, its fun, its not work, its exercise repeat ad nauseum. Still item 3 “truth” “knowledge” are words used in religion/science/the professions but lifting weights -not so appropriate
item 4 is back to judgement again, see items 2 and 3
its all just too serious for me. you dont need to be like that to be “hardcore” imo
[/quote]
Well what is hardcore to you?
Cause your points are pointing to mediocrity or a hobby which is fine but could never be labeled “hardcore” or even serious lifter.
The OP was in regards to attitude and commitment to a lifting/healthy lifestyle not darts at the local watering hole. [/quote]
hi Deek,
on page 2 I wrote this:-
my version of hardcore includes:-
lifting for decades rather than years
not getting “big but am really just fat”
not taking drugs as I view that as the less manly way of doing things
not showing off ones beach muscles, safe in the knowledge that the traps/glutes combo trumps them
but yes, lifting weights is to some extent a hobby of mine, and yes, I am mediocre at it. However, I have fun doing it, have done it for 25 years, will continue to do it for another 25 years. I couldn’t lift for 25 years without some fun, less than 100% workouts. [/quote]
10-4 missed that.
For the record its a hobby for me.
But to some it could be and is a life style that would be considered “hardcore”
Guys like Wendler and Tate lifted for 25 years, accomplished a lot, had fun doing it would consider them “hardcore”.[/quote]
yup, I cant argue with that
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
what does 10% fun mean?
if 10% fun is “screw around and do things that don’t cause any growth”, then it’s a waste of time[/quote]
fun is whatever you find fun. and the other 90% is for growth,
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, you know[/quote]
the aren’t mutually exclusive, though
dunno why you are implying the “working out” part isn’t fun
[/quote]
fair point
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
what does 10% fun mean?
if 10% fun is “screw around and do things that don’t cause any growth”, then it’s a waste of time[/quote]
fun is whatever you find fun. and the other 90% is for growth,
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, you know[/quote]
the aren’t mutually exclusive, though
dunno why you are implying the “working out” part isn’t fun
[/quote]
Good point. I was having a problem with that also. Being in the gym is “fun” to me. That means my whole workout is what I am there to enjoy. I don’t usually do things JUST to have fun doing it. That would involve sex on the Hammer Strength machines.[/quote]
its got to be worth a go