Griff, you’ve proven nothing, you will prove nothing, you CAN prove nothing now please stop.
You say the site can be whatever we want it to be–that’s not technically true, b/c the site is whatever TC etc want it to be.
HOWEVER! Since you say that…and RJ wants it to be more hardcore like it used to be, why the fuck are you estro-bitching at him for saying that?
On another note, some people are saying it takes courage to post pics. Well, it’s only courage if you consider the consequences. Many of these no-brainers don’t think, and thus all they do is click a few buttons. Is that courage? It takes no effort or thinking on their part (they usually don’t even give us enough info to make good suggestions) but they want plenty in return. Why give it to them?
It doesnt matter who this site is for, but when there are people on here afraid of lifting heavy weights and come out with dumb lines like I don’t want to get HUUUUUGE for the millionth time dammit you wont friggin get HUUUUUGE!
What is wrong with you people, you think that if you walk into a gym every now and then pick up a weight and eat a tin of tuna once in a while you’re gonna get friggin HUGGEEE…
Hey Trig, thanks for the backup. I was just about to break oren an old writing agruements text for a def. and ex. of the different types of argumentation.
Goldin makes a few good points too, about the nature of some of the posters. I’ve noticed that some kids want everyone to respect them and their goals when they don’t have even the first clue about anything. Those are like new guys I used to work with that come in thinking they are gods gift to everyone. We used to just grind them to a pulp for a few hours until lunch. The funny thing was that they would leave at lunch and not even come back to get paid. The ones that did come back though, usualy turned out prety good. You could tell by this that they had a “hard core”.
If the site has changed from what it used to be… then change it back. The problem is that we are all obsessed with how it changed and instead of changing it back… we give up on it.
Much like our training goals… shit doesn’t happen overnight. It may take weeks or months to get back to the “hardcore” you all remember… but in due time.
Remember… shit doesn’t happen overnight.
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=587713
I think we are giving a bit too much credit to the word bodybuilding. Enough to the point that we will never be addressing eachother. There will always be a dispute as to what “bodybuilding” is.
There are solid points defending it as bodybuilding the sport, and bodybuilding as the act of sport preparation.
I’ve lurked here for quite awhile and I am far from a bodybuilder. I weighed in today at 170 @ 7% body fat. I know I am far from huge… wouldn’t even throw a single bicep against the said vets. I have now had my fair share of posts and this thread makes me wonder why I haven’t been flamed yet. I am far from ever being a competitive powerlifter, olympic lifter, bodybuilder.
I might be asking for it here… but… I still consider myself hardcore. Sure, if you took 100 guys from T-Nation, chances are a stranger would rather pick a fight with me… but I can’t use this as an example to discredit myself as hardcore. However, if someone told me they wanted to be “hardcore” I wouldn’t tell them to be a triathlete… I’d probably direct them to the likes of the majority of Vets here.
There are a lot of reasons this site has changed. I’d argue that a lot has to do with the market. T-Nation can’t sell prohormones… so that in itself could have a lot to do with this “new direction” that everyone is talking about.
I still think it comes down to respect…
"R-E-S-P-E-C-T, find ou—No, but, seriously. If you have a reason for your goal… fine. I have to be light for my sport… if I wasn’t a triathlete, I’d be bulking right now. If you don’t want to be “hyooge” and have a legitimate reason… fine. If you don’t want to be “hyooge” because of your lack of understanding… not fine.[/quote]
Out of curiosity, Tri, how tall are you?
170 with 7% bf may not be huge, but it ain’t Al freakin’ Shades scrawny, either. Unless you’re 7 foot 3 or something.
[quote]Olympiclfter wrote:
But yes, I am tough enough to answer you question. I wasn’t refering to just one post. This has been happening more and more. So what if this last kid just took it, learned and moved on. He’s smart. I’d say smarter than you from the way it sounds. He heard something that may not have sounded good and went against his own opinion, but he listened and thought maybe I am wrong. The point isn’t if someone took the abuse. The point is are being as helpful as we can be.
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This has actually been happening less and less because more of the people posting are trying to gain muscle and get in better shape. Months ago, this site was being overrun by people posting pics looking skinny as hell trying to “diet”, one even claiming that he only did body weight only exercises and that he didn’t want to lift weights. Lately, that has reduced in number greatly so you assessment is off. As far as being helpful, I am willing to bet that there are more posts that I have written helping others than you have ever jotted down so what is your point?
The rest of what you wrote about your hardships in life is equally pointless. Anyone on this planet with any real character has been through hell to some degree. Trying to compare hardships is pointless. I’ve been there myself a time or two so hearing it from you just wasted about 2 minutes that I will never get back.
[quote] GriffinC wrote:
It’s a site for anyone, we’ve been over this. They wouldn’t have fatloss articles, powerlifting coaches, strength and conditioning coaches, and tons of other shit that have nothing to do with bodybuilding if this was a bodybuilding site only.
I just proved my point about this site not being for bodybuilders only.[/quote]
When you figure oput what bodybuilding means, then come back. You have got to be one of the biggest idiots I seen on here in sometime. You have proved nothing.
Guess what, sparky - Fatloss is a huge part of body building. I’m a bodybuilder and I use programs by CW, CS, CT, and DJ.
What point was it you proved again? Oh yeah - that you are a fucking ass clown with no idea what the hell you are talking about.
Once again - what in the hell does a fucking avatar have to do with this discussion? You are indeed a dumbass.
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This IS a bodybuilding site, it’s also an athletic site, an olypic site, it’s whatever we want it to be. If you would stop obbsessing and putting labels on shit, we wouldn’t have to have this conversation.[/quote]
So you admit that I am right? This is a bodybuilding site? Not because you, or any of your little estrogen soaked friends say so -but because the website used to say so on the front page.
[quote]I’ll be waiting.
Proof you have no life. You’re waiting for a response from an 18 year old athlete about why this is not a site for bodybuilders only, how sad.[/quote]
What I find funny is that you have answered me post for post - and I have no life? I’m glad you mentioned your age - that tells me everything I need to know. I’ll still be here as a member of this sight long after you’ve been cut, or benched, or you quit. Have fun with that.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
TriGWU wrote:
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=587713
I think we are giving a bit too much credit to the word bodybuilding. Enough to the point that we will never be addressing eachother. There will always be a dispute as to what “bodybuilding” is.
There are solid points defending it as bodybuilding the sport, and bodybuilding as the act of sport preparation.
I’ve lurked here for quite awhile and I am far from a bodybuilder. I weighed in today at 170 @ 7% body fat. I know I am far from huge… wouldn’t even throw a single bicep against the said vets. I have now had my fair share of posts and this thread makes me wonder why I haven’t been flamed yet. I am far from ever being a competitive powerlifter, olympic lifter, bodybuilder.
I might be asking for it here… but… I still consider myself hardcore. Sure, if you took 100 guys from T-Nation, chances are a stranger would rather pick a fight with me… but I can’t use this as an example to discredit myself as hardcore. However, if someone told me they wanted to be “hardcore” I wouldn’t tell them to be a triathlete… I’d probably direct them to the likes of the majority of Vets here.
There are a lot of reasons this site has changed. I’d argue that a lot has to do with the market. T-Nation can’t sell prohormones… so that in itself could have a lot to do with this “new direction” that everyone is talking about.
I still think it comes down to respect…
"R-E-S-P-E-C-T, find ou—No, but, seriously. If you have a reason for your goal… fine. I have to be light for my sport… if I wasn’t a triathlete, I’d be bulking right now. If you don’t want to be “hyooge” and have a legitimate reason… fine. If you don’t want to be “hyooge” because of your lack of understanding… not fine.
Out of curiosity, Tri, how tall are you?
170 with 7% bf may not be huge, but it ain’t Al freakin’ Shades scrawny, either. Unless you’re 7 foot 3 or something.
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Stand in at 6’00"
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Speaking of goals, Prof, are you heading kind of toward the Robbie Robinson build when you get done cutting?
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I don’t have Robbie Robinson genetics, but I sure as hell wish I did. I am just trying to do the best with what I have…which includes calves that suck compared to everything else.
w00t… I get royalties whenever anyone says ass clown nowadays!
Serious question to you guys that are pushing 190-200lbs (or less) @11-12% bf, what makes you so hardcore?
No offense meant, I’m not trying to be sarcastic, I just really want to know what makes you define yourself as “hardcore”?
There have been 3-4 times when a member here that I thought was “hardcore” posts pics/stats and turns out to be a 190-200 lbs. guy benching low 300s. Definitely good stats, and a hard worker, but not what pops into my mind when I think “hardcore”. What makes you guys more hardcore than the 10-15 college guys I see in my gym with the same stats? Are they hardcore too? Is it an attitude thing? Just curious.
Might have something to do with the will to achieve in the face of adversity or something. Sometimes it isn’t the achievement of the goal, but what it took to get there.
[quote]Moriarty wrote:
Serious question to you guys that are pushing 190-200lbs (or less) @11-12% bf, what makes you so hardcore?
No offense meant, I’m not trying to be sarcastic, I just really want to know what makes you define yourself as “hardcore”?
There have been 3-4 times when a member here that I thought was “hardcore” posts pics/stats and turns out to be a 190-200 lbs. guy benching low 300s. Definitely good stats, and a hard worker, but not what pops into my mind when I think “hardcore”. What makes you guys more hardcore than the 10-15 college guys I see in my gym with the same stats? Are they hardcore too? Is it an attitude thing? Just curious.[/quote]
I don’t know if you are referring to me or not. I can’t define myself has hardcore in BB/PL/OL sense. I’d define myself as hardcore in my dedication and determination for the particular sport I compete in. In terms of lifts… my weights are about normal for my weight. I generally stick with big plate measurements… and never really push 1RM lifts. Squat 315, Bench 225, and DL 315. The deadlift is weak, but (excuse coming) my hamstrings are very endurance based because of the geometry of a triathlon bike. These numbers usually decrease right at peak and I work on them in the off-season.
I eat clean everyday, I train hard on training days (which is usually twice p/ training day), and realize that every action I take has some influence on my final race time. Everything I do… is about getting better. Whether it is getting a job to afford the stuff I need to train and keep a proper diet… or simply realizing that even a man in solitary confinement can get in a good workout… I do it. I think that is hardcore.
[quote]GriffinC wrote:
rainjack wrote:
What in the fuck does it matter what is in my avatar?
If that’s all you have - you need to go find a better argument. It’s as weak as you are.
And you are EXACTLY the type of person that could never understand “Dangerously Hardcore”. You are an angry, little boy, who seems to have found his bravery behind the safety of a computer screen.
Chill out - have a soy-latte, and think about why tyou are even fucking here, son.
Straw man attack!!! You can’t argue with me so you attack me personally, good job!!! You get a check-plus on your crybabybitch-reportcard.[/quote]
Actually, attacking the individual is called an “Ad Hominim.” A “Straw Man” is when you set up a weaker argument to attack than the truth.
[quote]GriffinC wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Last one. Does anyone see a pattern yet?
Yes, you have no life.[/quote]
And THAT, GriffinC, is precisely the same as you were complaining about (although you used the wrong term). That, sir, is also an Ad Hominim.
Now, can you tell me what a person is called when they bash someone for something that they do themself?
[quote]Matthew9v9 wrote:
Actually, attacking the individual is called an “Ad Hominim.” A “Straw Man” is when you set up a weaker argument to attack than the truth.[/quote]
Is there an echo 
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
You are actually referring to Ad Hominem.
Strawman has to do with setting up and defeating an aspect of the arguement that wasn’t there.
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When will I learn to read a whole thread before responding?
Good post, TriGWU.
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
Matthew9v9 wrote:
Actually, attacking the individual is called an “Ad Hominim.” A “Straw Man” is when you set up a weaker argument to attack than the truth.
Is there an echo ;)[/quote]
Indeed there is, my cycling friend, indeed.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Griff, you’ve proven nothing, you will prove nothing, you CAN prove nothing now please stop.
You say the site can be whatever we want it to be–that’s not technically true, b/c the site is whatever TC etc want it to be.
HOWEVER! Since you say that…and RJ wants it to be more hardcore like it used to be, why the fuck are you estro-bitching at him for saying that?
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Dude, what the hell did I do to make you so damn raged? Every time I post something, expecially when it doesn’t concearn you or is directed at someone else, you call me out on it. You want my attention or something? A hug? It’s like I’ve hurt your honor and you’re trying desperately to get back at me to make yourself feel better. I’m not going to argue with you, because you rely on TOO MANY personal attacks. Atleast RJ stated his opinion and is TRYING to defend it. You’ve heard my opinion, I stick to it. Don’t like it? Too bad. I’m not changing it and I’m not going to have a flamewar with you. Grow up and get over it. Whatever I did to you, I’m sorry.