Gymnastics Biceps

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[quote]Hotlover wrote:
bwhitwell wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.

i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.

im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.

an yes, girls love our bodies :slight_smile:
(its me in the avatar).

kill yourself

whats your problem?

Hey man, I have a question that has nothing to do with the original post and you being a gymnast I’ll ask. Do gymanasts have the shoulder or low back issues most BB/PL/ gym rats have.

We do get overtrained and have injuries just like many bb`s, but its mainly tendon tear and stuff like that. shoulder-strength inbalance is more common in bodybuilding than in gymnastic, because many in bodybuilding do too much benchpresses and too little backwork, but we dont have that problem since we do a lot of both press- and pushexercises. gymnastic is hard for lower back, but no, i havent experienced any problems… dont think its very common. its mainly a bodybuilding thing to have lower back problems.

hope this answered your question… sorry my bad english, im from norway.[/quote]

Actually, gymnasts get plenty of extension based back problems like pars fractures and facet injuries because of the extreme ranges of motion they get into. This depends on their event, obviously.

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

Not looking for an argument cause there’s no point in comparing the strength of PLers and gymnasts, but I don’t think I know one powerlifter with a legit deadlift that can’t do at least a couple of body weight pullups. [/quote]

Quoted for truth.

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[quote]talmid91 wrote:
Just so you guys know he’s 5’6. I mean ya that’s small, but still those are some pretty massive guns.[/quote]

Not to people who are bigger than that. We already knew he was short. That is WHY smaller arms stand out more on his physique. Someone that size can make 15" lean arms look far more impressive than they would on someone who was closer to six feet.

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Hmm where have I seen backs and biceps that are more muscular than that?

Oh, yeah… BODYBUILDERS.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
talmid91 wrote:
Just so you guys know he’s 5’6. I mean ya that’s small, but still those are some pretty massive guns.

Not to people who are bigger than that. We already knew he was short. That is WHY smaller arms stand out more on his physique. Someone that size can make 15" lean arms look far more impressive than they would on someone who was closer to six feet. [/quote]

taller guys gets even bigger arms

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[quote]Hotlover wrote:
Professor X wrote:
talmid91 wrote:
Just so you guys know he’s 5’6. I mean ya that’s small, but still those are some pretty massive guns.

Not to people who are bigger than that. We already knew he was short. That is WHY smaller arms stand out more on his physique. Someone that size can make 15" lean arms look far more impressive than they would on someone who was closer to six feet.

taller guys gets even bigger arms[/quote]

He stated that shorter guys look bigger and did not say that taller guys have bigger arms they just look smaller then someone with the same mass that is shorter.

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first and foremost, i never implied that the iron cross is the be-all, end-all of strength… i simply used it as an example here because the thread seems to be revolving around (wait for it): GYMNASTICS.

i agree with you that 1 movement simply cannot be used as the sole measure of a characteristic so broad (and somewhat vague) as strength… you (and many others), however, seem to have no problem whatsoever in promoting the myth that 3 movements, though, can. we’ve actually stumbled on a huge pet peeve of mine, here…

why is it, exactly, that you feel powerlifting is a more “valuable” indicator of strength than gymnastics? why not gymnastics? gymnasts have to be strong in many movements and positions… i’d say this makes for a more well-rounded “strength” athlete than someone who is only strong in a few… and, if in your world, the 3 movements of powerlifting really do exemplify all things strength, why not olympic weightlifting? if you really get down to it, snatches and clean and jerks are basically deadlifts, squats, and overhead lifts all being performed at once… so, why not weightlifting?

just to clarify, i have no problem with you having your own opinion on the matter… but in order to successfully debate any topic, you have to BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENT… not merely assert that the other party is “stupid” or hasn’t “the slightest understanding of physics”.

the last time i checked this wasn’t grammar school… i.e. you’re gonna have to do better than that.

and, although i am admittedly no rocket scientist, i know enough about physics to know hot air when i see/hear/read it… and that it rises.

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Yeah, and to some people’s thinking, an ant is “stronger” than a T-Rex.

If you want to think like that, that is your prerogative.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Yeah, and to some people’s thinking, an ant is “stronger” than a T-Rex.

If you want to think like that, that is your prerogative.[/quote]

Ha!

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Yeah, and to some people’s thinking, an ant is “stronger” than a T-Rex.

If you want to think like that, that is your prerogative.

Ha!

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Judging by some of these posts, some of these guys truly do run outside and applaud every time a fire-ant picks up a leaf.

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What deserves the most respect:

Drive, passion, and commitment?

Intelligent nutrition and program design?

Genetics?

Raw performance is nothing more than the sum of the above.

Personally, I don’t think genetics are much to brag about. How is being a certain height or being a mesomorph or having long muscle bellies in any way a reflection of what a person has accomplished?

Being able to lift more than someone else means shit if it’s due to factors outside of that person’s control. If a 6’2" guy and a 5’2" guy have busted their asses equally in the gym for the same amount of time, both deserve the same respect, in my opinion, whether you’re talking about how much they can deadlift or about how many pullups they can do.

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What was being disagreed with was the idea that individuals with non-bodybuilder-level physiques, and perhaps no remarkable strength in the deadlift, squat, and bench press, are “actually” stronger than bodybuilders and powerlifters.

No one was dissing short bodybuilders and short powerlifters.

And I’m sure I said, though not literally but the equivalent, that if someone wants to think that Tom Cruise holding an Iron Cross (or appearing to anyway) makes him “stronger” than Mark Henry, that is his prerogative.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
What deserves the most respect:

Drive, passion, and commitment?

Intelligent nutrition and program design?

Genetics?

Raw performance is nothing more than the sum of the above.

Personally, I don’t think genetics are much to brag about. How is being a certain height or being a mesomorph or having long muscle bellies in any way a reflection of what a person has accomplished?

Being able to lift more than someone else means shit if it’s due to factors outside of that person’s control. If a 6’2" guy and a 5’2" guy have busted their asses equally in the gym for the same amount of time, both deserve the same respect, in my opinion, whether you’re talking about how much they can deadlift or about how many pullups they can do.

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LOL. Then we should do away with the Olympics. Who wants to see genetically above average people breaking records? We should applaud all of the people who aren’t that good naturally and who never make it to the Olympics…because they tried hard…right?

Look, I know everyone isn’t gifted when it comes to gaining muscle mass, but this push you seem to be on to praise people who haven’t done much makes little sense when the entire goal is to make the most progress.

Some have it and some don’t. I am not sure why some of you seem to hate the fact that some people are born with advantages that you may not have or why some of you think they don’t deserve praise at all.

That would mean all pro sports should lose their fan following…until average people get on the field.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am not sure why some of you seem to hate the fact that some people are born with advantages that you may not have or why some of you think they don’t deserve praise at all.
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I never said that. It’s awesome to watch a genetically gifted athlete in his prime. My point was that being genetically gifted isn’t in any way a reflection of what YOU have accomplished. It says nothing about your character, commitment, or the price you have paid to get where you are. The reason I respect the athlete isn’t because he is genetically gifted, it’s because he has spent a lifetime making the most of those genetics.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
strength relative to bodyweight is not the same thing as strength.

Those guys are probably weaker than most guys who just go to the gym and lift half assed on a steady diet of fast food, simply because of how small they are. Granted they are highly developed for their size, but thats like saying a jacked midget is impressive, hes still a midget.

this is mostly because the average male gymnast is 5’6" and 140. many are as low as 5’4 and 125 pounds. Thats a female like build to say the least.

For most women it would like dating a child.

I will never be jealous of a male smaller than my girl.

Ill take my extra 8 inches of height, and 90 pounds of muscle thank you very much.

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Wow - you are dumb. I know several gymnasts at 155 pounds that can pull over 400 lbs in a deadlift. That is strong per pound and strong no matter what. I know an older gymnast at about 180 lbs that can deadlift over 500 lbs…

And…they don’t train the deadlift either. One day I just asked them to try it to see what they could do.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I am not sure why some of you seem to hate the fact that some people are born with advantages that you may not have or why some of you think they don’t deserve praise at all.

I never said that. It’s awesome to watch a genetically gifted athlete in his prime. My point was that being genetically gifted isn’t in any way a reflection of what YOU have accomplished. It says nothing about your character, commitment, or the price you have paid to get where you are. The reason I respect the athlete isn’t because he is genetically gifted, it’s because he has spent a lifetime making the most of those genetics.[/quote]

…and most people anywhere near famous enough for you to hear about them are anything BUT average. Michael Jordan was amazing to watch…but if you think he was just an “average” person who worked hard, you would be wrong. He was gifted. Therefore, his hard work led him to greater heights than someone of much lesser talent would ever experience. I am sure somewhere there was some kid trying really hard on a basketball court who never got anywhere near as good. According to you, they deserve the same respect?

Why?

Most people are STILL going to have to work hard to get anywhere special…but your attitude is akin to saying that famous heart surgeon doesn’t deserve much praise because he was simply born smart and there are people who never got to his level but who worked harder.

It comes across as simply “hater-ade”.

You are the guy who sees the big lifter with 20" arms and claims they don’t deserve any more credit than you do…and that is just bullshit jealousy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It comes across as simply “hater-ade”.

You are the guy who sees the big lifter with 20" arms and claims they don’t deserve any more credit than you do…and that is just bullshit jealousy.
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X I enjoy how you call it as you see it. You would make a great debater…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Michael Jordan was amazing to watch…but if you think he was just an “average” person who worked hard, you would be wrong. He was gifted. Therefore, his hard work led him to greater heights than someone of much lesser talent would ever experience. I am sure somewhere there was some kid trying really hard on a basketball court who never got anywhere near as good. According to you, they deserve the same respect?[/quote]

If the kid worked as long and hard as Michael Jordan did, showed as much character and commitment, and busted his ass with equal dedication, then YES he gets the same level of respect from me. I’m impressed by what people do, not by what is handed to them.

What is the alternative? Why would someone deserve RESPECT just because they were born a certain way? How does that in any way say anything about what they have accomplished?

Do you think it makes sense to be proud and take credit for something that was handed to you?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
talmid91 wrote:
Just so you guys know he’s 5’6. I mean ya that’s small, but still those are some pretty massive guns.

Not to people who are bigger than that. We already knew he was short. That is WHY smaller arms stand out more on his physique. Someone that size can make 15" lean arms look far more impressive than they would on someone who was closer to six feet. [/quote]

When a girl sees defined biceps with good peak and definition is she going to measure it? :wink:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
talmid91 wrote:
Just so you guys know he’s 5’6. I mean ya that’s small, but still those are some pretty massive guns.

Not to people who are bigger than that. We already knew he was short. That is WHY smaller arms stand out more on his physique. Someone that size can make 15" lean arms look far more impressive than they would on someone who was closer to six feet. [/quote]

Are you sure a short guy can build those 15 inch guns as easily as the bigger guy? I don’t think so.