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[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.

i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.

im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.

an yes, girls love our bodies :slight_smile:
(its me in the avatar).

kill yourself

whats your problem?

Hey man, I have a question that has nothing to do with the original post and you being a gymnast I’ll ask. Do gymanasts have the shoulder or low back issues most BB/PL/ gym rats have.[/quote]

We do get overtrained and have injuries just like many bb`s, but its mainly tendon tear and stuff like that. shoulder-strength inbalance is more common in bodybuilding than in gymnastic, because many in bodybuilding do too much benchpresses and too little backwork, but we dont have that problem since we do a lot of both press- and pushexercises. gymnastic is hard for lower back, but no, i havent experienced any problems… dont think its very common. its mainly a bodybuilding thing to have lower back problems.

hope this answered your question… sorry my bad english, im from norway.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.

i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.

im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.

an yes, girls love our bodies :slight_smile:
(its me in the avatar).

kill yourself

whats your problem?

Your screen name is “Hotlover”.
You bumped an old thread and made a long winded post, the purpose of which was to basically say “hey guys, check out my picture of me in my avatar, I get so much poon!”
The thread you bumped was also fucking retarded and was better off buried.

I think that was his problem.[/quote]

hes an aggressive little kid lol

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.

i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.

im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.

an yes, girls love our bodies :slight_smile:
(its me in the avatar).

kill yourself

whats your problem?

Your screen name is “Hotlover”.
You bumped an old thread and made a long winded post, the purpose of which was to basically say “hey guys, check out my picture of me in my avatar, I get so much poon!”
The thread you bumped was also fucking retarded and was better off buried.

I think that was his problem.[/quote]

hehe ok. i tried changing the nick yesterday actually. i come about this thread by an accident, and discovered that i was allready a member… strange because i havent posted here before. how do i change my nick?

dont understand what people are arguing about… but its no point in comparing gymnasts with bb`s - its two different sports. weightlifters will always be stronger and bigger than someone who just trains with bodyweight, but its impressive how big and strong people actually can get without weights.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
strength relative to bodyweight is not the same thing as strength.

Those guys are probably weaker than most guys who just go to the gym and lift half assed on a steady diet of fast food, simply because of how small they are. Granted they are highly developed for their size, but thats like saying a jacked midget is impressive, hes still a midget.

this is mostly because the average male gymnast is 5’6" and 140. many are as low as 5’4 and 125 pounds. Thats a female like build to say the least.

For most women it would like dating a child.

I will never be jealous of a male smaller than my girl.

Ill take my extra 8 inches of height, and 90 pounds of muscle thank you very much.

[/quote]

Heyyyyyy I’m 5’4 and weigh over 200 pounds. Stop hatin’ :wink:

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[quote]red04 wrote:
joe shumsky wrote:
that’s exactly my point: all strength is RELATIVE.

No. There is no further explanation needed to this answer, you are just wrong.[/quote]

sir, are you honestly arguing with this statement? can you perform an iron cross? i, for one, have never tried… but i can almost certainly guarantee you that i cannot. if you, i, or any other hypothetical person, cannot even perform one repetition of a movement gymnasts can perform with relative ease, how can you possibly argue with the fact that THEY ARE STRONGER THAN YOU? in that particular movement, at the very least?

frankly, some of the things people say on this forum are so bat shit insane… i find it hard to believe they’re not browsing T-Nation from the psych-ward at the local nut-house…

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i wish more people could get some experience instead of just pulling things out of their ass

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[quote]Hotlover wrote:
i wish more people could get some experience instead of just pulling things out of their ass[/quote]

Welcome to the Internet, where every skinny, snippy 13-year old is an expert :slight_smile:

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[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
red04 wrote:
joe shumsky wrote:
that’s exactly my point: all strength is RELATIVE.

No. There is no further explanation needed to this answer, you are just wrong.

sir, are you honestly arguing with this statement? can you perform an iron cross? i, for one, have never tried… but i can almost certainly guarantee you that i cannot. if you, i, or any other hypothetical person, cannot even perform one repetition of a movement gymnasts can perform with relative ease, how can you possibly argue with the fact that THEY ARE STRONGER THAN YOU? in that particular movement, at the very least?

frankly, some of the things people say on this forum are so bat shit insane… i find it hard to believe they’re not browsing T-Nation from the psych-ward at the local nut-house…

[/quote]

Perhaps because they are actually supporting less weight and using superior lever arms to complete the movement, not “superior strength.”

Nobody here has ever debated that gymnasts require strength, and a lot of hard work to acquire their skillset; but to try and debate us back that because someone can do an Iron Cross they are somehow the end all of strength, not the people who are approaching 3k totals in powerlifting or lifting giant ass rocks in strongman, is just stupid. If you had the slightest understanding of physics you would understand why a mammoth man, even in the most fantastic shape, is disadvantaged at a sport like gymnastics.

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[quote]red04 wrote:
joe shumsky wrote:
red04 wrote:
joe shumsky wrote:
that’s exactly my point: all strength is RELATIVE.

No. There is no further explanation needed to this answer, you are just wrong.

sir, are you honestly arguing with this statement? can you perform an iron cross? i, for one, have never tried… but i can almost certainly guarantee you that i cannot. if you, i, or any other hypothetical person, cannot even perform one repetition of a movement gymnasts can perform with relative ease, how can you possibly argue with the fact that THEY ARE STRONGER THAN YOU? in that particular movement, at the very least?

frankly, some of the things people say on this forum are so bat shit insane… i find it hard to believe they’re not browsing T-Nation from the psych-ward at the local nut-house…

Perhaps because they are actually supporting less weight and using superior lever arms to complete the movement, not “superior strength.”

Nobody here has ever debated that gymnasts require strength, and a lot of hard work to acquire their skillset; but to try and debate us back that because someone can do an Iron Cross they are somehow the end all of strength, not the people who are approaching 3k totals in powerlifting or giant ass rocks in strongman, is just stupid. If you had the slightest understanding of physics you would understand why a mammoth man, even in the most fantastic shape, is disadvantaged at a sport like gymnastics.[/quote]

Good response, Red. Hell, I’m not even sure that Mariusz Pudzianowski could perform an iron cross, but he sure the hell is a lot stronger than any gymnast in the world!

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I’ve just read the whole thread. I think I’m retarded.

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[quote]thorax wrote:
I’ve just read the whole thread. I think I’m retarded.[/quote]

Me too, I think my brain just got a little smaller.

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[quote]Hotlover wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.

i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.

im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.

an yes, girls love our bodies :slight_smile:
(its me in the avatar).

kill yourself

whats your problem?

Your screen name is “Hotlover”.
You bumped an old thread and made a long winded post, the purpose of which was to basically say “hey guys, check out my picture of me in my avatar, I get so much poon!”
The thread you bumped was also fucking retarded and was better off buried.

I think that was his problem.

hes an aggressive little kid lol[/quote]

Actually, by the looks of your avatar, he’s bigger than you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
actionjeff wrote:

you have no idea how wrong this is

the strength required for an iron cross, performed by every athlete in the still rings, is simply staggering. Try it, try even going close to parallel, it’s just IMPOSSIBLE. It is a feat of seemingly superhuman strength.

This is slowly getting retarded. These guys weigh all of 130lbs. That makes this “impossible” feat much more “possible” because they are that short in stature and light in body weight.

I hate it when people try to use “relative strength” as if it means anything to someone who is trying to be “absolutely strong” in the gym. A 500lbs benchpress is impressive. I am not impressed by someone lifting 250lbs no matter if they are 4’2" and weigh 89lbs.

If that impresses you, fine…just don’t expect the rest of us to oooh and aaah at this “impossible” feat.

Now, in terms of Olympic Gymnastics, it is impressive to see any athlete at the top of their game simply because they have succeeded. That doesn’t mean that the rest of us ignore our own goals and put these guys on pedestals when it comes to strength training and bodybuilding.[/quote]

To tell you the truth 89 pounds 250 bench press is amazing. I would like to see any powerlifter get down to that weight not that anyone would want to and acually even get the weight up. I understand what you mean by absolute strength and if people use the excuse “you are 10 pounds heavier thats why you are stronger”.

Weight does help you get stronger but I too would be more impressed by someone 300 squating 1000 pounds then someone 290 doing 990 pounds. ALthough in my opinion anything “physical” myself (“the bodybuilding and strength training guy”)like anything that has to do with athleticism cause some many componets go into things like the iron cross when lifting for abosolute strength you use absolute strength and thats all.

One sport that just amazes me would be olimpic lifting. NOW THOSE ARE BAD ASS MUDA****s they are explosive,strong,and are not all show no go. In fact many are no show all go. Regardless gymnastics is a mans sport but do not try to compare it absoulte strength and make the uneducated think these people are supermen cause a 1000 pound squat at 300 is just as impressive if not more then the iron cross.

P.S. to professerX I am not trying to correct just wanted to respond to your comment and state some of my statements. Also another thing I do not like is it harder to get stronger the heavier you get.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.

i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.

im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.

an yes, girls love our bodies :slight_smile:
(its me in the avatar).

kill yourself

whats your problem?

Your screen name is “Hotlover”.
You bumped an old thread and made a long winded post, the purpose of which was to basically say “hey guys, check out my picture of me in my avatar, I get so much poon!”
The thread you bumped was also fucking retarded and was better off buried.

I think that was his problem.

hes an aggressive little kid lol

Actually, by the looks of your avatar, he’s bigger than you.[/quote]

Yeah, but who has the hawtest abz?

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

Yeah, but who has the hawtest abz?

[/quote]

why is being lean a crime on a bodybuilding forum?

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[quote]stringer wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:

Yeah, but who has the hawtest abz?

why is being lean a crime on a bodybuilding forum?
[/quote]

I didn’t realize that anyone suggested that it was.

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I think the coin spins both ways. Strength can be relative or absolute.

A gymnast might say a PL’er isnt that strong, because he cant do muscle-ups or 20+ pullups with ease, or handstand pushups.

And a PL’er might say a gymnast is weak, because he can only deadlift 400lbs, (even if it is 3x BW)

Both guys are strong, just different. Which brings up one of my points lately. Strength is accomplishments are relative to the individual. A gymnast has no need to be able to deadlift 700lbs, and a PL’er has no need to do a muscle-up.

What i’d like to see is a 300 lb 6’6" guy that has a high relative strength and high absolute strenght. That would just be crazy.

I agree with everyone else though. They SEEM to have big biceps because they are short and lean. But they are strong and have good endurance as well.

Here is a random question for you guys though…

Say you had two guys. One was 5’4 and the other was 6’4. And both had the same relative strengths in pullups. (lets say same 1rm, and both could do 20 controlled pullups)

Would you expect their bicep size/apperance to be similar relative to height? (Would the small guy just look like the big guy but from further away?

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[quote]dankid wrote:
I think the coin spins both ways. Strength can be relative or absolute.

A gymnast might say a PL’er isnt that strong, because he cant do muscle-ups or 20+ pullups with ease, or handstand pushups.

And a PL’er might say a gymnast is weak, because he can only deadlift 400lbs, (even if it is 3x BW)

Both guys are strong, just different. Which brings up one of my points lately. Strength is accomplishments are relative to the individual. A gymnast has no need to be able to deadlift 700lbs, and a PL’er has no need to do a muscle-up.

What i’d like to see is a 300 lb 6’6" guy that has a high relative strength and high absolute strenght. That would just be crazy.
[/quote]

Konstantinovos has a 900+ pound dl and has no trouble cranking out a bunch of pullups. Not quite 300 at 6’6, but a freak, nonetheless.

Not looking for an argument cause there’s no point in comparing the strength of PLers and gymnasts, but I don’t think I know one powerlifter with a legit deadlift that can’t do at least a couple of body weight pullups.

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
dankid wrote:
I think the coin spins both ways. Strength can be relative or absolute.

A gymnast might say a PL’er isnt that strong, because he cant do muscle-ups or 20+ pullups with ease, or handstand pushups.

And a PL’er might say a gymnast is weak, because he can only deadlift 400lbs, (even if it is 3x BW)

Both guys are strong, just different. Which brings up one of my points lately. Strength is accomplishments are relative to the individual. A gymnast has no need to be able to deadlift 700lbs, and a PL’er has no need to do a muscle-up.

What i’d like to see is a 300 lb 6’6" guy that has a high relative strength and high absolute strenght. That would just be crazy.

Konstantinovos has a 900+ pound dl and has no trouble cranking out a bunch of pullups. Not quite 300 at 6’6, but a freak, nonetheless.

Not looking for an argument cause there’s no point in comparing the strength of PLers and gymnasts, but I don’t think I know one powerlifter with a legit deadlift that can’t do at least a couple of body weight pullups. [/quote]

I’ve done 10 pullups with my pullup shirt once…

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Just so you guys know he’s 5’6. I mean ya that’s small, but still those are some pretty massive guns.