I hope the OP realizes now that he can’t ask any decent questions relating to bicep size, and definitely do not display any body parts of someone that’s not a professional bodybuilder.
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.
i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.
im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.
an yes, girls love our bodies 
(its me in the avatar).
[quote]Hotlover wrote:
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.
i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.
im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.
an yes, girls love our bodies
(its me in the avatar).
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kill yourself
[quote]Hotlover wrote:
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.
i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.
im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.
an yes, girls love our bodies
(its me in the avatar).
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im sold bro
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.
i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.
im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.
an yes, girls love our bodies
(its me in the avatar).
kill yourself
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whats your problem?
[quote]Hotlover wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.
i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.
im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.
an yes, girls love our bodies
(its me in the avatar).
kill yourself
whats your problem?
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Hey man, I have a question that has nothing to do with the original post and you being a gymnast I’ll ask. Do gymanasts have the shoulder or low back issues most BB/PL/ gym rats have.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Not really, I feel more knowledgeable now, and have all the tools needed to downplay ANYONE’s achievements!
Next time someone tells me how much he can bench-press, curl, lateral raise or squat, I’ll need an arm-length measurement - shoulder to wrist - and a leg length measurement along with height/weight, and factor in wrist/ankle diameters, bone density, fiber ratio, cranial volume, dick length/girth and the number of sexual partners that person has had before I can reach an educated conclusion about whether that person’s achievements are worthy of praise.
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Gold
Epicly necro’d thread HOOOO!
I have the utmost respect for gymnasts. Their physiques represent what is truly achievable with proper (and extremely intense) bodyweight training. Those who have chalked it up to “genetics” or “being short” truly have no idea how difficult it is to evolve in the sport. To make light of one’s accomplishments by focusing on limb length or height is the act of one who is insecure in their own achievements. I have never blamed my shortcomings on an anthropometric quality…I simply didn’t work hard enough.
To all those who support gymnastics…cheers!
[quote]PMac wrote:
I have the utmost respect for gymnasts. Their physiques represent what is truly achievable with proper (and extremely intense) bodyweight training. Those who have chalked it up to “genetics” or “being short” truly have no idea how difficult it is to evolve in the sport. To make light of one’s accomplishments by focusing on limb length or height is the act of one who is insecure in their own achievements. I have never blamed my shortcomings on an anthropometric quality…I simply didn’t work hard enough.
To all those who support gymnastics…cheers! [/quote]
This is pure shit. NOBODY said anything to the effect that they don’t work hard. But if you don’t believe that there is a genetic prerequisite to becoming an elite gymnast, then you are just fucking retarded and should consider drowning yourself.
interesting how genetics seem to matter in gymnastics (where, apparently, being shorter is more desirable than the opposite) but, for some as of right now conspicuous reason, genetics don’t matter in bodybuilding (where, apparently, everyone should be able to achieve a certain lean bodyweight, regardless of their height.) i don’t know about you, but my bullshit detector is currently blaring at defcon 1!
now, while it’s true that i’m more concerned with aesthetics than gymnastic ability, to downplay the achievements, and physiques, of some of these gymnasts is downright absurd. and, if the topic of the day is strength, how can anyone seriously act like bodyweight doesn’t matter? this is especially amusing when the same people who seem to be suggesting the relative unimportance of bodyweight when it comes down to determining strength seem to be the same folks who are whining about the fact that they can’t do pullups… so, for the sake of my own clarity and understanding here, the reason that i can do 19 dead hang pullups (even a few muscle-ups) and you cannot, is because YOU’RE STRONGER THAN ME?
come on now.
the sad but true bottom line here (and many of you will simply not be into this) is as follows: if subject a is heavier than subject b, and the difference in weight is legitimately the result of more lean body mass, then the fact that subject a is heavier will be offset by the fact that he has more muscle mass with which to perform the greater amount of work necessary to move his larger limbs. now, conversely, if this difference in weight is caused by another factor (like more adipose tissue, for instance) well then, it just might explain why you can’t do pullups.
you follow me?
to close: olympic caliber gymnasts (and weightlifters, obviously) are among the strongest athletes on the planet.
if you disagree with this fact, you are wrong.
end thread.
Haha, oh ho ho hoho wahahahaha heeheehee hee.
This argument is so distorted.
Gymnasts possess extreme RELATIVE STRENGTH but are not anywhere near the strongest in an absolute sense. LMFAO… no way any 160 lb. guy who does bodyweight exercises is anywhere near as strong as 300lb. football players, shotputters, powerlifters, large bodybuilders, etc.
that’s exactly my point: all strength is RELATIVE.
first and foremost, just because someone weighs 300 lbs, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are automatically “stronger” than someone who weighs less… obviously, some testing would have to be done to determine this… but, if the heavier person had basically the same amount of muscle mass as the lighter guy, and the only factor accounting for the heavier guy’s bodyweight was more bodyfat, then it’d probably be a safe bet that the lighter guy would be “stronger” because he’d have an equal amount of contractile tissue (to do the work) and less bulky fat (to weigh him down.) this should be both obvious and self-explanatory.
secondly, as was already illustrated by previous posts in this thread, strength is very much RELATIVE to the specific movement being performed. i.e. an olympic gymnast who rarely (if ever) performs the powerlifts might not be particularly “strong” in them… as compared to professional powerlifters, anyway. and, in much the same fashion, a professional powerlifter who rarely (if ever) performs pullups might not be particularly “strong” in them, either… as compared to a gymnast who does pullups day in and day out. i mean, for f’s sake, the squat, bench, and deadlift are great exercises… but they’re not the only exercises there are in the world, you know?
thirdly and finally, why are we wasting precious time and space discussing these matters on a bodybuilding forum? it’s not like these things (strength, size, bodyweight exercises, powerlifts, etc.) are even remotely connected to eachother, let alone bodybuilding… right?
rhetorical question.
[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
that’s exactly my point: all strength is RELATIVE.
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No. There is no further explanation needed to this answer, you are just wrong.
Biggest gymnast ever…
Oklahoma senior is, by gymnastics standards, big at 5-foot-7, 175 pounds. For instance, no member of the U.S. 2004 men’s Olympic team weighed more than 160 pounds or was taller than 5-6.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
Not really, I feel more knowledgeable now, and have all the tools needed to downplay ANYONE’s achievements!
Next time someone tells me how much he can bench-press, curl, lateral raise or squat, I’ll need an arm-length measurement - shoulder to wrist - and a leg length measurement along with height/weight, and factor in wrist/ankle diameters, bone density, fiber ratio, cranial volume, dick length/girth and the number of sexual partners that person has had before I can reach an educated conclusion about whether that person’s achievements are worthy of praise.
Gold[/quote]
Agreed. Nice post!
[quote]Hotlover wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Hotlover wrote:
i have been a gymnast for about 5 years, and have done nothing but bodyweight training for 5 years straight. i did a lot of weighttraining before that actually, but got tired of it… didnt give me the results i was looking for. being a gymnast is way more fun too. most gymnast are short, but strong and muscular as hell. most of the gymnast i know can lift nearly 3 times their own bodyweight in deadlift, and thats without even doing them on a regular basis.
i havent tried the deadlift for 5 years, so i dont know how strong i am in that exercise, but i can easily do reps with chins with my girlfriend hanging on to me (shes about 50kg). dont know of many weightlifters that can do that. we get big muscles by doing hard exercises like the l-sit, front lever, back lever, iron cross, handstand pushups, one-arms pushups, one-arm chins, human flag etc. the trick is to do harder variations of an exercise when it gets easy. for example, when you can do pushups with both arms with ease, try doing one-arm varations. when regular chins become easy to do, do it with one arm. and so on… you get the picture.
im kinda big for a gymnast… 86kg and 180cm tall. most of the gymnasts i know are usually around 160cm tall.
an yes, girls love our bodies
(its me in the avatar).
kill yourself
whats your problem?
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Your screen name is “Hotlover”.
You bumped an old thread and made a long winded post, the purpose of which was to basically say “hey guys, check out my picture of me in my avatar, I get so much poon!”
The thread you bumped was also fucking retarded and was better off buried.
I think that was his problem.