[quote]Dedicated wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
if your going for a max try a set of heavy bent over rows or weighted chins 3 min prior to your max set.
MISCON, can that help substantially. I never thought of that and will be giving it a try next time I max.
D[/quote]
I think if it worked there’d be alot more powerlifters doing it!!
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
if your going for a max try a set of heavy bent over rows or weighted chins 3 min prior to your max set.
MISCON, can that help substantially. I never thought of that and will be giving it a try next time I max.
D
I think if it worked there’d be alot more powerlifters doing it!![/quote]
I didn’t think it would make your bench jump fifty pounds or anything, but maybe help with that little bit of extra activation. And not in regard to a powerlifting max with an arch or gear, but a back flat on the bench lift. No biggie either way, but I do think I’ll try it for the hell of it next time I max.
D
[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
Im tired of old ladies at my school looking at me like im having fun and its ok to stand next to me and do what i’m doing. I want to seperate myself from all my peers as being the biggest, bulkiest, purely ripped guy out and I want people to look at me like a total different being from everyone else. Thats my goal, thats how big I wanna get. I wanna bench over 300 by may, and im only at 245 now. Any tips ?
You sound like you have some serious insecurity issues. Do it for yourself no one else. 275? is alott at yourschool, at my high school the record was 405, and we had bench shirts for football at 305. I think if you deadlifted that would bring more respect.
First tips,
strengthen you chin , back you look like you dont have mmuch of any lats, when you bench is stuck usually its because your antagonist muscles are weaker.
if your going for a max try a set of heavy bent over rows or weighted chins 3 min prior to your max set.
oh and did you warm up before or just do it cold?
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I go to a JUCO so there’s alot of slackers, but theres also a few guys who when they come into the gym, I talk to them wide-eyed, with open ears trying to soke in all I can from what they say. Thanks for the antagonist muscle warm up tip, I will defenetly try it. Tommorrow Im going to do it if I can.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
if your going for a max try a set of heavy bent over rows or weighted chins 3 min prior to your max set.
MISCON, can that help substantially. I never thought of that and will be giving it a try next time I max.
D
I think if it worked there’d be alot more powerlifters doing it!!
I didn’t think it would make your bench jump fifty pounds or anything, but maybe help with that little bit of extra activation. And not in regard to a powerlifting max with an arch or gear, but a back flat on the bench lift. No biggie either way, but I do think I’ll try it for the hell of it next time I max.
D[/quote]
Not all powerlifters bench with an arch and a shirt. And I can definately tell you that the top tier ones who do are still brutally strong flat backed and raw. But that’s a topic for another day!!
I don’t really see why it would work. I know the underlying theory behind it, but I think it’s a bit of a jump to say it will increse ones bench. Anyway make sure you let us know whether it works or not. I’d actually be quite interested in seeing how well it works in real life!
[quote]Hanley wrote
Not all powerlifters bench with an arch and a shirt. And I can definately tell you that the top tier ones who do are still brutally strong flat backed and raw. But that’s a topic for another day!!
I don’t really see why it would work. I know the underlying theory behind it, but I think it’s a bit of a jump to say it will increse ones bench. Anyway make sure you let us know whether it works or not. I’d actually be quite interested in seeing how well it works in real life![/quote]
Oh, I agree and didn’t mean to imply powerlifters aren’t strong. I am only referring to the type of lifting I, and the group I lift with, adhere to. And it’s a traditional bodybuilding style of lift, back and butt flat on bench. That’s what we aim for. I will post on it when we max again regarding the heavy row prior to.
D
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
if your going for a max try a set of heavy bent over rows or weighted chins 3 min prior to your max set.
MISCON, can that help substantially. I never thought of that and will be giving it a try next time I max.
D
I think if it worked there’d be alot more powerlifters doing it!!
I didn’t think it would make your bench jump fifty pounds or anything, but maybe help with that little bit of extra activation. And not in regard to a powerlifting max with an arch or gear, but a back flat on the bench lift. No biggie either way, but I do think I’ll try it for the hell of it next time I max.
D[/quote]
It does work and nothing warms you up better than pairing agonist antagonist training. I think most powerlifters dont do it because they cang grasp the concept. ___insert caveman grunt)OR they are to lazy, yes many fat ass powerlifters love sitting there asses on a bench but doing a chin up and lookin glike a wuss cause they cant chin there body more than three reps.
you have to go heavy with perfect form, personally the same grip as you using with the bench I like pronated grip, Sometimes I do the cable machine row instead and works well.
I WILL NOT MAX ANYOTHER WAY IT FEELS SO COMFORTABLE.
HANLEY: SEND POLIQUIN A QUESITON ABOUT THIS IT DOES WORK>
[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
I think most powerlifters dont do it because they cang grasp the concept. ___insert caveman grunt)OR they are to lazy, yes many fat ass powerlifters love sitting there asses on a bench but doing a chin up and lookin glike a wuss cause they cant chin there body more than three reps.
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Yup, I’d say that’s it alright. I can’t believe you finally figured it out. Now Frankl, Luyando, Kennelly et al can start benching big weights. God T-Nation is so so lucky to have someone who thinks on such an esoteric level.
Thanks for the heads up tho. Not about the chinning or rows before max bench attempts… just the warning to not waste my time by reading anymore of your posts.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
I think most powerlifters dont do it because they cang grasp the concept. ___insert caveman grunt)OR they are to lazy, yes many fat ass powerlifters love sitting there asses on a bench but doing a chin up and lookin glike a wuss cause they cant chin there body more than three reps.
Yup, I’d say that’s it alright. I can’t believe you finally figured it out. Now Frankl, Luyando, Kennelly et al can start benching big weights. God T-Nation is so so lucky to have someone who thinks on such an esoteric level.
Thanks for the heads up tho. Not about the chinning or rows before max bench attempts… just the warning to not waste my time by reading anymore of your posts.[/quote]
But wait, have you first asked yourself what will not reading these posts achieve?
Just funning with you Hanley. Just keep doing what works for you. Never mind the esoteric fools.
Late,
D
[quote]Hanley wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
I think most powerlifters dont do it because they cang grasp the concept. ___insert caveman grunt)OR they are to lazy, yes many fat ass powerlifters love sitting there asses on a bench but doing a chin up and lookin glike a wuss cause they cant chin there body more than three reps.
Yup, I’d say that’s it alright. I can’t believe you finally figured it out. Now Frankl, Luyando, Kennelly et al can start benching big weights. God T-Nation is so so lucky to have someone who thinks on such an esoteric level.
Thanks for the heads up tho. Not about the chinning or rows before max bench attempts… just the warning to not waste my time by reading anymore of your posts.[/quote]
Well than you shouldn’t read ANYMORE of Poliquin’s articles or THIBs either, because both believe in antagonistic pairing, even when maxing.
[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
Hanley wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
I think most powerlifters dont do it because they cang grasp the concept. ___insert caveman grunt)OR they are to lazy, yes many fat ass powerlifters love sitting there asses on a bench but doing a chin up and lookin glike a wuss cause they cant chin there body more than three reps.
Yup, I’d say that’s it alright. I can’t believe you finally figured it out. Now Frankl, Luyando, Kennelly et al can start benching big weights. God T-Nation is so so lucky to have someone who thinks on such an esoteric level.
Thanks for the heads up tho. Not about the chinning or rows before max bench attempts… just the warning to not waste my time by reading anymore of your posts.
Well than you shouldn’t read ANYMORE of Poliquin’s articles or THIBs either, because both believe in antagonistic pairing, even when maxing.[/quote]
Ummm… listen, don’t try and defend your ignorance by quoting articles and authors which have zero relevance to what I quoted you on. Now, look back up and figure out what I’m talking about.
Ok, it’s been a few days now. Did he go for his new max, yet? Did I miss it?
Im going for 260 on monday…I’ll defenetly let you know if I get it guys.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
Hanley wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
I think most powerlifters dont do it because they cang grasp the concept. ___insert caveman grunt)OR they are to lazy, yes many fat ass powerlifters love sitting there asses on a bench but doing a chin up and lookin glike a wuss cause they cant chin there body more than three reps.
Yup, I’d say that’s it alright. I can’t believe you finally figured it out. Now Frankl, Luyando, Kennelly et al can start benching big weights. God T-Nation is so so lucky to have someone who thinks on such an esoteric level.
Thanks for the heads up tho. Not about the chinning or rows before max bench attempts… just the warning to not waste my time by reading anymore of your posts.
Well than you shouldn’t read ANYMORE of Poliquin’s articles or THIBs either, because both believe in antagonistic pairing, even when maxing.
Ummm… listen, don’t try and defend your ignorance by quoting articles and authors which have zero relevance to what I quoted you on. Now, look back up and figure out what I’m talking about.
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Yes I know there are athletic olympic powerlifters, but most guys that powerlift or do strong man, would never grasp the concept or think out of the box. I guess that would include you in that bunch. Ive seen powerlifters benching 500 that could do no more than 5 chins so do the math.
T-Nation is so lucky to have a guy with ORANGE HAIR and A great sense of style!
[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
Hanley wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
Hanley wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
I think most powerlifters dont do it because they cang grasp the concept. ___insert caveman grunt)OR they are to lazy, yes many fat ass powerlifters love sitting there asses on a bench but doing a chin up and lookin glike a wuss cause they cant chin there body more than three reps.
Yup, I’d say that’s it alright. I can’t believe you finally figured it out. Now Frankl, Luyando, Kennelly et al can start benching big weights. God T-Nation is so so lucky to have someone who thinks on such an esoteric level.
Thanks for the heads up tho. Not about the chinning or rows before max bench attempts… just the warning to not waste my time by reading anymore of your posts.
Well than you shouldn’t read ANYMORE of Poliquin’s articles or THIBs either, because both believe in antagonistic pairing, even when maxing.
Ummm… listen, don’t try and defend your ignorance by quoting articles and authors which have zero relevance to what I quoted you on. Now, look back up and figure out what I’m talking about.
Yes I know there are athletic olympic powerlifters, but most guys that powerlift or do strong man, would never grasp the concept or think out of the box. I guess that would include you in that bunch. Ive seen powerlifters benching 500 that could do no more than 5 chins so do the math.
T-Nation is so lucky to have a guy with ORANGE HAIR and A great sense of style!
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Ehhh… again, what? Athletic olympic powerlifters?? How many powerlifters do you actually know?? Do you assume ALL powerlifters compete at SHW and carry a massive amount of bodyfat? Do you really know THAT little?? For the record I train with several 500+ single ply benchers, and one raw too. All under 100kg. Let me assure you, each and everyone of them could easily knock out sets of 12 chins without breaking a sweat.
I’ve seen powerlifters who can bench 500+ who CAN do more than 5 chins. So your point suddenly becomes worthless. Since that seems to be what you were inferring to my post.
How am I failing to think outside the box? How are THEY failing to think outside the box?? Do you honestly believe that simply by doing rows before max benches these guys are gonna come out and smash all the previous records? That in the last 50 years of powerlifting nobody has ever tried this??
I’m also saying that there are many different weightclasses in powerlifting, and the majority of these guys could knock out 12 or more chins. You seem to be blind to this fact and think that all powerlifters are >275lb and need a CPAP at night. If anything, YOU’RE the one stuck in a box.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
if your going for a max try a set of heavy bent over rows or weighted chins 3 min prior to your max set.
MISCON, can that help substantially. I never thought of that and will be giving it a try next time I max.
D
I think if it worked there’d be alot more powerlifters doing it!![/quote]
True, it’s a silly idea.
[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
Hanley wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
I think most powerlifters dont do it because they cang grasp the concept. ___insert caveman grunt)OR they are to lazy, yes many fat ass powerlifters love sitting there asses on a bench but doing a chin up and lookin glike a wuss cause they cant chin there body more than three reps.
Yup, I’d say that’s it alright. I can’t believe you finally figured it out. Now Frankl, Luyando, Kennelly et al can start benching big weights. God T-Nation is so so lucky to have someone who thinks on such an esoteric level.
Thanks for the heads up tho. Not about the chinning or rows before max bench attempts… just the warning to not waste my time by reading anymore of your posts.
Well than you shouldn’t read ANYMORE of Poliquin’s articles or THIBs either, because both believe in antagonistic pairing, even when maxing.[/quote]
It’s a stupid idea, let it go. As Hanley said, if it was all that it would be done already. why would I want to go for a heavy BOR max of 3 reps right before a heavy bench max. I would tire out my lower back, lats, rhomboids, and upper back which would make it harder to stay tight and totally screw up my form.
Instead of reading silly articles, I’ve trained with and talked to some of the best powerlfiters in the world. And they don’t do silly stuff like this. They don’t write articles, they lift heavy weights.
Well, Louie and Dave write articles, but you should get the point.
A good way to consistently add about 10 pounds a month to your bench is to buy 1/1-4 pound plates (they only come in standard 1 inch hole) and simply hang them off the barbell with some string. If you bench once a week and are able to add 2.5 pounds each week then thats a 10 pound gain on your bench in 1 month. Ya sure it looks wierd hanging the plates off the bar but I have been doing that not only with bench but with pretty much every other excercise too.
[quote]josh10090 wrote:
A good way to consistently add about 10 pounds a month to your bench is to buy 1/1-4 pound plates (they only come in standard 1 inch hole) and simply hang them off the barbell with some string. If you bench once a week and are able to add 2.5 pounds each week then thats a 10 pound gain on your bench in 1 month. Ya sure it looks wierd hanging the plates off the bar but I have been doing that not only with bench but with pretty much every other excercise too.[/quote]
Brilliant Idea !!! And the first time Ive heard or seen it. I shall give you an A+ my boy
[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
josh10090 wrote:
A good way to consistently add about 10 pounds a month to your bench is to buy 1/1-4 pound plates (they only come in standard 1 inch hole) and simply hang them off the barbell with some string. If you bench once a week and are able to add 2.5 pounds each week then thats a 10 pound gain on your bench in 1 month. Ya sure it looks wierd hanging the plates off the bar but I have been doing that not only with bench but with pretty much every other excercise too.
Brilliant Idea !!! And the first time Ive heard or seen it. I shall give you an A+ my boy[/quote]
It is only a temporary solution and will not work for long. And actually, they do make olympic plates in 1 1/4 pounds.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
MISCONCEPTION wrote:
if your going for a max try a set of heavy bent over rows or weighted chins 3 min prior to your max set.
MISCON, can that help substantially. I never thought of that and will be giving it a try next time I max.
D
I think if it worked there’d be alot more powerlifters doing it!!
True, it’s a silly idea.
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Well Tom, I’m still going to give it a try in the spirit of don’t knock it till you try it. And, if it is worthless I will quickly and easily disregard it. I don’t think he said to max a bent over row just hit some heavy ones before hand.
Take care,
D