And finally, the 50 pull up nonsense needs to be laid to rest. I suggest some of you visit gymjones.com. Some of those guys have a climbing background. They are rail thin, with great pulling and grip strength. And I haven’t seen 50 over there w/o kipping, swinging etc. And they are NOT average and they train pull ups and its variations SAVAGELY.
Balbo, if you were locked up and could gain your freedom with 50 consecutive proper form pull ups? You’d die in prison. Sorry to see you go.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
And finally, the 50 pull up nonsense needs to be laid to rest. I suggest some of you visit gymjones.com. Some of those guys have a climbing background. They are rail thin, with great pulling and grip strength. And I haven’t seen 50 over there w/o kipping, swinging etc. And they are NOT average and they train pull ups and its variations SAVAGELY.
Balbo, if you were locked up and could gain your freedom with 50 consecutive proper form pull ups? You’d die in prison. Sorry to see you go.[/quote]
You my friend need to post more because you are funny as hell.
Alright, I just wanna make one more post to clarify some things…
-Never once did I say that the numbers I posted were mine. Someday, but not now. Squats and deads of over 455 are my best so far. Of course, once I achieve these numbers, I’ll be hailed as Vic Richards’ genetic twin.
-My numbers were posted for some representation of the MAX, MAX ceiling of potential for a male of average muscle-building genetics. I DO NOT in any way think that these are common, oft seen, or anywhere NEAR average results. I think its pretty obvious everybody interpreted the OP differently.
-If you search google, you can find dozens of accounts of people doing over 100 consecutive pullups. Why aren’t these guys winning olympic gold medals and super bowl rings? Oh yeah, it’s because they’re just regular dudes.
-No hard feelings towards any of you, this isn’t really a quantifiable question, and we can all believe whatever we feel.
Shout out to my man, BALBO. May you ‘grease the groove’ with many cheap women.
[quote]Modi wrote:
I think everyone here is missing the point.
The question was what can the average male achieve…
We are talking about the average male, with average genetics, and an average work ethic.
The average male can hope to join a gym on Jan. 1 and last until about Feb. 1. At which point he’ll stop training and go back to playing X-Box, eating donuts and drinking beer 7 nights per week.
In that time, he’ll accomplish next to nothing, and then wait 11 months to try it all over again.[/quote]
pats Modi on the back for giving the best answer
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
And finally, the 50 pull up nonsense needs to be laid to rest. I suggest some of you visit gymjones.com. Some of those guys have a climbing background. They are rail thin, with great pulling and grip strength. And I haven’t seen 50 over there w/o kipping, swinging etc. And they are NOT average and they train pull ups and its variations SAVAGELY.
Balbo, if you were locked up and could gain your freedom with 50 consecutive proper form pull ups? You’d die in prison. Sorry to see you go.[/quote]
Your rare posts are like little treasures.
It’s not one set of 100 pullups you clueless boy.
Ordinary people find a dozen pull ups admireable. Twenty clean pullups, although rare in gyms, can be done by most people who train for that, are young, somewhat athletic and slim. Never seen a meaty, strong bodybuilder do more then fifteen.
Now thirty clean reps are really rare. If your genetics say “fuck you”, it’s end of line, you won’t do em.
Anything above is for totally dedicated and talented.
And Balbos, your analogies are utter crap. It’s like saying: “I knew a guy who had a sister who looked like Jessica Alba, and I screwed her once. Now if I stay away from booze, work out some more and move to Bel Air it should be a piece of cake to screw the real Jessica Alba if I really want!”
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
It’s not one set of 100 pullups you clueless boy.
Ordinary people find a dozen pull ups admireable. Twenty clean pullups, although rare in gyms, can be done by most people who train for that, are young, somewhat athletic and slim. Never seen a meaty, strong bodybuilder do more then fifteen.
Now thirty clean reps are really rare. If your genetics say “fuck you”, it’s end of line, you won’t do em.
Anything above is for totally dedicated and talented.
And Balbos, your analogies are utter crap. It’s like saying: “I knew a guy who had a sister who looked like Jessica Alba, and I screwed her once. Now if I stay away from booze, work out some more and move to Bel Air it should be a piece of cake to screw the real Jessica Alba if I really want!”
[/quote]
hah so true
Also please post back when you can do all the things you listed I’ve never seen it done by anyone or even close. Not in video not in real life, never.
Why do people think it is so easy or achieveable to do something when they themselves have never done it?
And who can do 6 more pull-ups than chin-ups, it should be the other way around. Pull-ups are palms facing away from you, FYI.
Wow, I didn’t know a 405 dead was that impressive. Last time I pulled a max was 365 and it was easy, for my skinny ass. But then again, the last two guys I saw DL, they had 365 on and couldn’t get it up - which was kind of embarrassing since they were a lot bigger than me. I’ve seen one kid sumo 500, thats the biggest DL I’ve seen at my gym.
Bench on the other hand, I’m looking at 180. Squat, 300 or so. I’ve been consistently lifting for about 7 months now.
As far as running a mile - LOL. A 6 minute mile is cake. I did a 5:55 in hs - dead cold no warm up in 40 degrees. But then again, I was doing 150-180 mile bike rides at that time, so I had endurance.
Pullups - my best was 15. I think 50 is for the very elite, as far as I’ve seen. No one does pullups other than me at the gym.
But yeah, it’s funny how bench is the most overrated, overdone lift in the gym.
[quote]KiloSprinter wrote:
Wow, I didn’t know a 405 dead was that impressive. Last time I pulled a max was 365 and it was easy, for my skinny ass. But then again, the last two guys I saw DL, they had 365 on and couldn’t get it up - which was kind of embarrassing since they were a lot bigger than me. I’ve seen one kid sumo 500, thats the biggest DL I’ve seen at my gym.
Bench on the other hand, I’m looking at 180. Squat, 300 or so. I’ve been consistently lifting for about 7 months now.
As far as running a mile - LOL. A 6 minute mile is cake. I did a 5:55 in hs - dead cold no warm up in 40 degrees. But then again, I was doing 150-180 mile bike rides at that time, so I had endurance.
Pullups - my best was 15. I think 50 is for the very elite, as far as I’ve seen. No one does pullups other than me at the gym.
But yeah, it’s funny how bench is the most overrated, overdone lift in the gym.
[/quote]
I wouldn’t consider it embarrassing just because there bigger then you, that has absolutely very little to do with it. Lots of variables such as possible injuries, new to the lift or lifting in general. You just possibly have better leverages for deadlift-long arms, this explains somewhat why your bench is so low- I never see anyone at my gym do dl higher then 315 for reps-seeing a dl at all is still rare-
Also a 6 min mile is not ‘easy’ as you said your very used to long endurance and are probably a very good endurance athlete. Many people are not built for endurance, if you were to say sub 10 min mile yeah thats easy a fat guy could do that if they really tried.
You have to put all these numbers in prospective of the most unathletic average joe. This means just a normal guy who can probably only get 3 meals a day, a normal job and prob works out 3 times a week or so for an hour doing most things wrong.
If you think of it that way getting those absurd numbers like 500 squat/dl 400 bench 6min mile and 50 pullups-LOL- seem ridiculous.
What are some numbers or bodyweight multipliers for snatch? I want to know what i should be aiming for.
[quote]Modi wrote:
I think everyone here is missing the point.
The question was what can the average male achieve…
We are talking about the average male, with average genetics, and an average work ethic.
The average male can hope to join a gym on Jan. 1 and last until about Feb. 1. At which point he’ll stop training and go back to playing X-Box, eating donuts and drinking beer 7 nights per week.
In that time, he’ll accomplish next to nothing, and then wait 11 months to try it all over again.[/quote]
Those are under-average males.You are underestimating peoples abilities.
[quote]Modi wrote:
I think everyone here is missing the point.
The question was what can the average male achieve…
We are talking about the average male, with average genetics, and an average work ethic.
The average male can hope to join a gym on Jan. 1 and last until about Feb. 1. At which point he’ll stop training and go back to playing X-Box, eating donuts and drinking beer 7 nights per week.
In that time, he’ll accomplish next to nothing, and then wait 11 months to try it all over again.[/quote]
OK,if thats what this thread is all about=what average male with average genetics and AVERAGE work ethic can achieve then here you are…
squat=220 lb. only quarter squat
deadlift=body weight
bench=220 lb.
pull-ups=4
1 mile=half a mile
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
BALBO wrote:
Vertical jump=30 inches
Squat=400 lb.
Deadlift=500 lb.
Bench=300 lb.
Pull-ups=30 with body weight
Body-composition=200 lb. 10 % bf
Those are my conservative estimtes.
Is the gravity different in Spain? LOLOLOL. I was in an NBA pro summer league free agent camp in 91. Watched about 100 athletes get their vertical tested. 100 great athletes that were legit ball players. 30 inches puts you at the upper end of the spectrum. Period, end of story. To say casually that 30 is attainable to the average trainee is dreaming. Where do you get this nonsense?
And a 500lb DL? LOL. This is a fairly informed and dedicated crowd here and more than half these cats can’t DL 500lbs. and NEVER WILL.
Please stop, you’re killing me.
[/quote]
Let me reply with some points…
1.Dont focus on just basketball.Pro basketball players could be 2 meters high ( 6-7 ft) and 100-105 kg (220-230 lb.) heavy.Its doesnt relate all that good to trained or untrained vertical jump of an average 178 cm and 80 kg man (5-10 ft and 180 lb.).
So 30 inch vertical on the big 230 lb. player is very good,but is it good for a 5-11 170 lb. point guard? No.
2.I have read measurements of vertical jump in average untrained men.Its about 20 inches in most studies.Some say its 22 inches.
3.If we assume its 20 inches,we can assume that losing extra fat on average male( 15-20 bf) would without training add about 3 inches.
So we get to about 23 inches.
4.to train the average male in jumping and heavy squatting and deadlifting for years would in my opinion result in adding 7 more inches in vertical.
5.if you can get average male to 160 lb. bodyweight with single digit body-fat to do double-bodyweight squat and train him in plyometrics for years,what is so unrealistic in getting him to jump 30 inches high?
6.if you ever deadlifted seriously,you must know that getting double-bodyweight deadlift is not that hard.That is if you are healthy and not weak(under-average).
But after that you can with fanatical training add more and more pounds on your dead.Maybe not your triple-bw,but surely some weight over your double-bw.
7.I bet that majority of people on this forum that are deadlift-trained cna pull over 400 lb.,but are not near their max potential.
8.Dont confuse what is and what CAN be achieved.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
BALBO wrote:
Vertical jump=30 inches
Squat=400 lb.
Deadlift=500 lb.
Bench=300 lb.
Pull-ups=30 with body weight
Body-composition=200 lb. 10 % bf
Those are my conservative estimtes.
Is the gravity different in Spain? LOLOLOL. I was in an NBA pro summer league free agent camp in 91. Watched about 100 athletes get their vertical tested. 100 great athletes that were legit ball players. 30 inches puts you at the upper end of the spectrum. Period, end of story. To say casually that 30 is attainable to the average trainee is dreaming. Where do you get this nonsense?
And a 500lb DL? LOL. This is a fairly informed and dedicated crowd here and more than half these cats can’t DL 500lbs. and NEVER WILL.
Please stop, you’re killing me.
[/quote]
If half of these cats could deadlift 500 lb. and half of them couldnt,then 500 lb. would be AVERAGE DEADLIFT.
[quote]doubleh wrote:
BALBO wrote:
doubleh wrote:
The Pencil Neck wrote:
BALBO wrote:
The original question was… at the same time.
So let’s say you go on this spartan regime and train yourself up to 50+ reps. You’re probably going to lose weight to do that.
Do you think you’re going to be able to squat 500#, bench 400#, and deadlift 550# at the same time that you can do 50+ pullups and run a 5:30 mile?
Most guys I know who can do 50 pullups weigh less than 180#. Most of them are actually in the 140-160# range. And a guy that light isn’t going to be hitting those PL numbers.
Exactly. Form follows function.
Also just read Balbo’s latest posts, so it gets back to what I just posted: are we defining this average trainee in REALISTIC terms, or the absolute limits of human achievement?
This thread is about genetic limits.
I will never run under 11 seconds in 100 meters,but I refuse to believe I cant train myself to do 50 pull–ups.
Not at 200 lbs you won’t, or even 170 at 5% bodyfat like in my example. But prove me wrong. Lock yourself in a dungeon and don’t come out until you get 50 good pullups. [/quote]
No…its easier to prove your theory.Its easier to sit on a couch,eat donuts and argue that 50 pull-ups is immpossible.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
It’s not one set of 100 pullups you clueless boy.
Ordinary people find a dozen pull ups admireable. Twenty clean pullups, although rare in gyms, can be done by most people who train for that, are young, somewhat athletic and slim. Never seen a meaty, strong bodybuilder do more then fifteen.
Now thirty clean reps are really rare. If your genetics say “fuck you”, it’s end of line, you won’t do em.
Anything above is for totally dedicated and talented.
And Balbos, your analogies are utter crap. It’s like saying: “I knew a guy who had a sister who looked like Jessica Alba, and I screwed her once. Now if I stay away from booze, work out some more and move to Bel Air it should be a piece of cake to screw the real Jessica Alba if I really want!”
[/quote]
I have never seen a meaty,strong body builder do a consistent pull-up routine for a long time.
But,lets look at lifts that were practiced a lot.
Bench press.
How many reps with his body weight on a bar ,can an average male achieve?
[quote]shizen wrote:
KiloSprinter wrote:
Wow, I didn’t know a 405 dead was that impressive. Last time I pulled a max was 365 and it was easy, for my skinny ass. But then again, the last two guys I saw DL, they had 365 on and couldn’t get it up - which was kind of embarrassing since they were a lot bigger than me. I’ve seen one kid sumo 500, thats the biggest DL I’ve seen at my gym.
Bench on the other hand, I’m looking at 180. Squat, 300 or so. I’ve been consistently lifting for about 7 months now.
As far as running a mile - LOL. A 6 minute mile is cake. I did a 5:55 in hs - dead cold no warm up in 40 degrees. But then again, I was doing 150-180 mile bike rides at that time, so I had endurance.
Pullups - my best was 15. I think 50 is for the very elite, as far as I’ve seen. No one does pullups other than me at the gym.
But yeah, it’s funny how bench is the most overrated, overdone lift in the gym.
I wouldn’t consider it embarrassing just because there bigger then you, that has absolutely very little to do with it. Lots of variables such as possible injuries, new to the lift or lifting in general. You just possibly have better leverages for deadlift-long arms, this explains somewhat why your bench is so low- I never see anyone at my gym do dl higher then 315 for reps-seeing a dl at all is still rare-
Also a 6 min mile is not ‘easy’ as you said your very used to long endurance and are probably a very good endurance athlete. Many people are not built for endurance, if you were to say sub 10 min mile yeah thats easy a fat guy could do that if they really tried.
You have to put all these numbers in prospective of the most unathletic average joe. This means just a normal guy who can probably only get 3 meals a day, a normal job and prob works out 3 times a week or so for an hour doing most things wrong.
If you think of it that way getting those absurd numbers like 500 squat/dl 400 bench 6min mile and 50 pullups-LOL- seem ridiculous. [/quote]
We are not talking about it.We are talking about what can average joe accomplish if he trained like an animal and ate better than average crap diet.
[quote]forevernade wrote:
What are some numbers or bodyweight multipliers for snatch? I want to know what i should be aiming for.[/quote]
I think that average male should aim for 100 kg snatch.