when i started in sept i was at 100/200/300 and im aiming for 250/350/400 ( and a 250 power clean)utilising newbie gains by the end of the year, i belive with the right gym, enough effort and lots of milk and meat, i can do this, now to stop posting and get the fuck on with it.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
gi2eg wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
All of the numbers you guys mentioned here are biased and based on personal experience and stuff you’ve read. There is no empirical way of determining what goals can be achieved by everyone.
I think everyone knows this
It’s my way of describing where this thread is going.[/quote]
And it looks like my prediction came true.
[quote]BALBO wrote:
Take a hundred of 5 year old boys.
Train them daily in pistols and body squats.
When they reach 15 years,train they Westside.Reward good effort,punish brutaly poor efforts.
At 30 years old,test their max squat.
I bet about 80 of them would squat 500 lb.[/quote]
No, no, no… okay I got one:
Take 100 five year old boys and starve them, then have them attack a bear. Who would win?
Answer: you’re ridiculous
[quote]BALBO wrote:
If half of these cats could deadlift 500 lb. and half of them couldnt,then 500 lb. would be AVERAGE DEADLIFT. [/quote]
No, the average would be below 500#. That’s 5th grade math right there.
But maybe this conceptual gap in arithmetic explains how you get the rest of your numbers.
A bw Snatch is a good figure. Most people will not get near this without a coach.
A guy weighing ~ 80kg will DEFINATELY not get that within a year with quite a bit of training imo.
You can’t compare college guys as they are at their peaks or they will definately drop a lot faster when they get past college. Most guys pack on fat during and after college…
Koing
Yeah, 90% of squats I seen done at the gym are 1/4 squats or knee bends. Bench at any better either, range of motion is ridiculous.
Maybe that’s why the deadlift is so unpopular, you can’t cheat at it to boost your ego.
[quote]KiloSprinter wrote:
Yeah, 90% of squats I seen done at the gym are 1/4 squats or knee bends. Bench at any better either, range of motion is ridiculous.
Maybe that’s why the deadlift is so unpopular, you can’t cheat at it to boost your ego.
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You can cheat at the deadlift, too. You can lean back and rest the bar on your thighs for a second, reset your grip, and then lock it out. My wife did that at a meet once and I was like… wtf!? She’d never done that at home and she got red lights on that lift. You can also not lock out and say you did.
But you’re right. It’s hard to cheat at the deadlift and you rarely see them.
On another group several many years ago, a guy was really proud of his 500# squat. At 165#. And the group was like… dude… that’s rilly good. Rilly too good. He posted pictures (this was before video was really available) and he couldn’t have been parallel. The pins in the rack were set so high that he would have had to leave the bar on the pins and then keep going for 2-3 more inches to get to parallel. His squat weight dropped pretty dramatically when forced to go below parallel. I think his singles dropped to about 300# or so. He wasn’t trying to lie about his squat weight, he just didn’t know any better.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
This thread reminds me of 100 People vs. a Bear.[/quote]
More importantly, how many five year olds can you take in a fight?
[quote]HOV wrote:
BALBO wrote:
If half of these cats could deadlift 500 lb. and half of them couldnt,then 500 lb. would be AVERAGE DEADLIFT.
No, the average would be below 500#. That’s 5th grade math right there.
But maybe this conceptual gap in arithmetic explains how you get the rest of your numbers.
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Its a misprint.I meant if half of them could deadlift over 500 lb. and exactly half of them couldnt ,then it could be assumed than average is 500 lb.
[quote]Koing wrote:
A bw Snatch is a good figure. Most people will not get near this without a coach.
A guy weighing ~ 80kg will DEFINATELY not get that within a year with quite a bit of training imo.
You can’t compare college guys as they are at their peaks or they will definately drop a lot faster when they get past college. Most guys pack on fat during and after college…
Koing[/quote]
But how much could an average guy snatch if he trained since childhood and doesnt limit himself with class limit?
I bet 100 kg is achievable.Not by everyone,but by average male.
I think we need opinion of our experts on this tough questions.
CT, CW, EC, MR, JF, DT,…
It took me about two years of serious lifting to reach the old standard of 300 bench 400 squat and 500 dead.
This was Stuart McRobert’s opinion of what every “hardgainer” or average male trainee should shoot for as a respectable end goal. A rare few will exceed this level through natural talent, unusual effort, or drugs or a combination of these factors.
I think this goal is still a valid concept today.
I first reached those numbers using belts, straps, and wide stance squats and sumo dead lifts. After I reached that goal I switched to full squats with no belt and regular dead lifts with no straps or belt and worked back up to the 400lb squat and 500 dead lift. That took about another year of moderate training.
Surpassing these numbers is definitely possible for me and probably quite a large percentage of men but doing so would require more effort than it is worth. There is more to life than the gym and I can maintain this level with about two to three hours of smart weight training per week.
I’m not your average guy. Lots of you have qualified your goals by saying ‘non-disabled’ or some variant.
Technically I’m disabled, cystic fibrosis. How much of an impact it has on strength, don’t know, some interesting stuff around, need to study more to understand it. CF may impact ATP function if I recall one paper correctly. Another study compared netball playing teenage girls (at a reasonably high standard) and found that players with CF were aerobically as good, not apparently not as strong, small-ish sample.
Anyway, I’m 5’7", 175lbs. 2.3 bw deadlift has been done, double bodyweight low box squats have been done, no belt/wraps on either lift. My bench sucks, I’m over 85% of bodyweight on military press. I’m not as dedicated as I mean to be, but none of these lifts are that near where I want them to go.
50 rep pull-ups is just way out there though. Wonder what some of the one-arm guys can knock out with two arms? Doubt 50 is common amongst them.
I can do a one arm chin, but I can only do about 25 strict pullups. I’ve never trained for strength endurance with these things. I just have a relatively efficient CNS.
Here’s a thread about a guy, Jason Armstrong, who broke the record for the most pullups performed within 12 hours. He scored 2406! Daily he would do over 500 a day, but his best for consecutive pullups was only 40.
[quote]Racarnus wrote:
I can do a one arm chin, but I can only do about 25 strict pullups. I’ve never trained for strength endurance with these things. I just have a relatively efficient CNS.
Here’s a thread about a guy, Jason Armstrong, who broke the record for the most pullups performed within 12 hours. He scored 2406! Daily he would do over 500 a day, but his best for consecutive pullups was only 40.
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1345081
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This should be proof to all of you thinking 50 is possible for an average guy.
Also if balbo you constantly elude to what is achievable by the human body, if you want to know that look at the world records.
[quote]BALBO wrote:
Its a misprint.I meant if half of them could deadlift over 500 lb. and exactly half of them couldnt ,then it could be assumed than average is 500 lb.[/quote]
No it couldn’t.
You’re thinking of a median, not an average, and it cannot just be assumed that they equal.
Learn some math.
bodyweight bench, doubt bodyweight squat and deadlift. Everyone, given the right amount of time, should be able to do at LEAST that.
I think 300/400/500 is a little bit high, I would say 120 kg bench press, 150 kg squat and 180 kg deadlift so that would make about 265/330/397 pounds. 6 minute mile is pretty easy, I could have ran it in around 7 minutes with zero training. I would say 5 min 30 sec would be a good challenge.
[quote]Racarnus wrote:
I can do a one arm chin, but I can only do about 25 strict pullups. I’ve never trained for strength endurance with these things. I just have a relatively efficient CNS.
Here’s a thread about a guy, Jason Armstrong, who broke the record for the most pullups performed within 12 hours. He scored 2406! Daily he would do over 500 a day, but his best for consecutive pullups was only 40.
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1345081
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I could argue about this more, but I’ll own up and say that this proves me wrong about the pullups. I’ve seen a bunch of videos of people doing obscene amounts of consecutive pullups, but the swinging while going at this pace is more than I or anyone else would normally consider good form. I still don’t think 50 strict is a total impossibility, but who really knows or cares to find out? I still feel that the 15 or 20 that some people estimated as a good number is unspectacular. Bottom line, everyone training hard is capable of a lot of pullups.
As for 400-500-500 and 5:30 mile, I honestly thought that the lifting numbers correlated pretty well with what most guys on this site are working towards. They’re certainly goals that I see myself achieving relatively soon. No one should be arguing with a 5:30 mile at a reasonable bodyweight. Even guys over 250 are capable of hitting 6 minutes. I certainly have no qualms with anyone disagreeing with me, but I was getting pretty heated when some people misinterpreted things that I said, and flamed me while ignoring half the posts I made explaining myself. (I’m not referring to the people who objected to 50 pullups, I admit that’s nuts, you guys win) I really still can’t believe that anyone sees 3 plates on the bench as unattainable for most guys.