Because it tastes better.
[quote]Ahuae wrote:
Haven’t you guys even tought about it for a second ? Honestly, how can a thread evolve without any intelligent comment.
Protein in meat is already made into muscle, you have to break it with your precious enzymes and then take it up again to make it meat. Don’t tell me you didn’t think about that !
Whey protein is superior, grain is superior, eggs, nuts… my own… oops I think I can’t say that… is superior !
Then I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m just saying it’s not really bright, unless like grandpa up there you need money and it’s the intelligent thing to do from what you have.
Next think about it and look at a carnivorous animal intestine, it’s like 5 times shorter, why ? Because meat putrefies in your 24 hours intestine, duh, it’s already got the decomposition enzymes in it activated because it’s DEAD food.
So hear me cashews even tho they taste good are way inferior to live grains because they are DEAD.
Back to the digestive system, carnivorous animals have special enzymes to decompose meat proteins FAST and they secrete alot, ever think why can a dog eat crap and still feel good about it ?
Well there’s the power of our minds too… of I feel some know it all already got me in its crosshairs, I can already feel myself being banned for being intelligent like on the dozen other forums I was on because I won’t shut up, this is ridiculous.
Which animal are we closest digestive-system wise ? Gorilla, what gorilla eats ? Fruits, veggies, nuts and sometimes insects and small fishies… intelligent gorilla !
I’m glad I can’t insult anyone because theres the power of our minds… some people eat crap and feel good about it, some people are sick to their bones even if they watch their shit everyday. Now thats a topic we can’t discuss, lucky yous !
Namase ![/quote]
So its decided? Im gonna eat like the lions do, while the creature is trying to get away, CHOMP CHOMP, Yum
Lol whos gonna read those 20 retarded essays that you have written bfore posting. And i dont know why you gave me all those wimpy ass characters I just told you to name a single one not spend an hr googleling to come up with an army of vegetarians.
You put the biggest one of that list next to one meat eating bodybuilder and the tremendous difference in size says everything. Lol you just want some controversy i think this thread is gonna be locked.
And thats exactly why I indulge in puffing it down before I go everytime.
It tastes better because you don’t know how to cook !
Or even better I’m catching up with your silly posts, and even better, mine have content and I’m helping people perform better !
http://www.ithaca.edu/faculty/cduncan/212/higherpleasures.doc
Man everytime I get a little more profound my posts get edited out.
Namase !
[quote]Ahuae wrote:
And thats exactly why I indulge in puffing it down before I go everytime.
It tastes better because you don’t know how to cook !
Or even better I’m catching up with your silly posts, and even better, mine have content and I’m helping people perform better !
http://www.ithaca.edu/faculty/cduncan/212/higherpleasures.doc
Man everytime I get a little more profound my posts get edited out.
Namase ![/quote]
Simply linking to an essay by what was arguably the greatest mind does not lend credibility to your claims. Nor do all the irrelevant studies. Yes, I’ve seen them and understood them. You just fail at connecting the dots or rather, you’re SEEING spots where there are none!
You still haven’t given us a valid comparison either. You claim that vegetation is “just as good” as meat, but no better than. The only quantitative way that it is “better” is due to your preference for easier digestion, yet there is no problem with the digestion of meat for the same exact nutrients in most individuals.
Claim all you want that since it takes fewer enzymes, or feeds more people, that grains are better, that still doesn’t make lean meats bad for you. And I think that’s the relevant subject with regard to the OP’s intent, what you have been diverging from this whole time.
I’m not sure of your spiritual beliefs, but I have a good inkling that they are what drive your choices more than all the pdfs and docs you ever google up and throw at us.
I base this on the fact that you view meat as “dead” or “putrefying” and grains as “living” and “growing.” These terms have no effect on the actual efficacy of either type of food. That grains are in the beginning stage of life may have an impact on what they contain, this “essence” of being in that stage has no effect but physical.
Keep your mumbo jumbo to yourself please.
Ha HA ! You have less posts than me and you think you’re going to command me around ? 
Ok maybe you have read the studies, but you have not taken into consideration that meat-eating is linked to all degenerative diseases. Someone pointed that out but you are too obsessed by my intelligence, and thanks for the compliment.
Your problem is that you don’t realise that I’m not one of those evangelical vegetarians, and that pisses you off that vegans can be olympians and powerlifters. And thats funnily not my problem.
You seem to be the only one trying to disagree with me by brigning argument yet you have brought no science before us, none at all proving whatever your’re looking to prove to yourself.
Everyone else here has been saying : Well I just ate a good steak ! I eat meat ! And thats heartwarming to me, and I’m sure they are also thinking about buying meat from animals who haven’t been mistreated or medicated because they care about themselves or their family.
And I was coming to that, that is a conundrum. It’s never someone, it’s likely more than you. Now what’s irrelevant mr.Borg ? Me choosing not to eat meat until people feel more sensitive to the way we treat animals because most people do care AND that I don’t need it ? Or you eating most likely bad meat and feeling bad about your bad arguments ? And irrelevant in relation to what ?
I said meat eating is not bad perse, I personally feel the studies against meat do not take everything into account even if I know meat content information is as scarce as pope shit (to please your likes in expression); and you forgot twice about it, would that be degenerative ?
Namase !
So…
Who wants to start speculating about what sort of mental illness Ahuae has?
Obviously Narcissistic Personality Disease, but what else?
[quote]wirewound wrote:
So…
Who wants to start speculating about what sort of mental illness Ahuae has?
Obviously Narcissistic Personality Disease, but what else?[/quote]
I just thought he was high. Not sure on what though . . .
I responded to that. Correlation does not equal causation is what I said and I stand by it. The studies linking these diseases are performed by mail-in questionnaires about the subjects’ diets. You, being as smart as you claim, should know there is bound to be some fudging, not to mention that we’re talking about lean meats. Is that distinction made in the questionnaires? No, they count all meat towards the study.
Yes, I’m the only one to “disagree” with you. Hell, I don’t even know what your real point is so it’s kind of hard to disagree with you. Refer to my last post as to what the topic of this thread is supposed to be and now tell me what you have done to show that lean meat is bad for you… tick tick tick NOTHING. But that’s because you and I were on a different page.
That’s quite amusing. Stop.
[quote]Me choosing not to eat meat until people feel more sensitive to the way we treat animals because most people do care AND that I don’t need it ? Or you eating most likely bad meat and feeling bad about your bad arguments ? And irrelevant in relation to what ?
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I said in the beginning the Onus is on you to show that meats are bad, and I thought you may have been taking up that challenge with some of the things you have said. Since all you were setting out to prove was how great grains are and that you can get by just as well with them (even though some people can’t, as I saw earlier in the thread.) Meat wasn’t even relevant to you, just as all your grain arguments weren’t relevant to what I was expecting you to argue for: “Meat is bad for you”.
Maybe I’ve given you an unfair shake, and it isn’t because I dislike you. It’s simply that your posts aren’t crystal clear. So it’s hard for anyone to tell what you’re actually saying when you leave everything open to interpretation. As poetic as your words are in your own eyes, in the eyes of others they are specks of dust.
Finally! I think I’m starting to understand you. As I said, the studies rely on questionnaires. As smart as I like to think I am, sometimes I have trouble remembering what I had for breakfast this morning, let alone how much red meat I had per week last year.
I really blame the media for these scare stories since they are selling papers with this scary hype. Even if it is poorly researched hype, they’ll print it as the almighty dollar wins out over journalistic credibility in today’s world.
I don’t think you’re a troll anymore. It would have just made my life easier if you were.
This guy is worse than nominal prospect
The way he talks it’s slowly getting more and more irritating, it’s like a flesh eating bacteria with no cure. You keep saying the same crap all over I mean it started out interesting and amusing enough to cause a myriad of ppl to argue with your vegetarian “beliefs”. Hitler and a lot of other crazy ass mofos were just like this guy they had this belief that for them it was ether my way or the highway and at the end he killed himself.
[quote]Damner wrote:
The way he talks it’s slowly getting more and more irritating, it’s like a flesh eating bacteria with no cure. You keep saying the same crap all over I mean it started out interesting and amusing enough to cause a myriad of ppl to argue with your vegetarian “beliefs”. Hitler and a lot of other crazy ass mofos were just like this guy they had this belief that for them it was ether my way or the highway and at the end he killed himself.[/quote]
He’s just a troll, ignore him
Man finally… thats exactly what I was trying to point out meanest ; I don’t care about if meat is right or wrong, I care for that people will argue about vegerianism and then will forget that fish oil contains high levels of mercury. I never seen a fish oil supplier certifying mercury levels like its common practice with herbals and pharmaceutticals when brought in bulk.
And it’s a proven fact that big fish who eat lots of lightly poisoned small fish will accumulate it !
The clearness is not in the toughts of the mind that utters that the focus is holistic.
Now if you will please bear with me, I really think to be sure we don’t consume anti-biotics, hormones, heavy metals and other crazy unknown stuff we have to go back to the source as much as possible, that means if you have to eat animals, eat the small kind as much as possible.
Now that won’t help feeling it might not be right, and I myself could not kill an animal looking into his eyes, so I’m not going to ask someone else to do it for me while I close my eyes. And only in need I would kill an animal or a bird or a fish that I purposefully know he cannot see what kind of animal I am. For example small fishes and crustacean, they only see a dark spot and then, all dark. They cannot think like, oh thats another freakin human again , what does he want, oh he smells like strong testosterone, shit I’m in trouble, and then run for his life like everything else in creation was second nature.
I am terribly sick (autoimmune, all kinds of bacteria and yeast growing all over me causing very painful conditions) since I was young, and recently diagnosed with heavy mercury and lead poisoning from my job exposure, failing dental amalgam fillings I had since I was 6 yo. and 4 year heavy consumption of tuna and then fish oils. (before it came in the news).
It was good for my health, now it’s killing me WTF ? You’ll never get this kind of problems with organic grains, and they’re cheaper than meat. I’m glad you see where I come from.
Yet I will suggest that someone lay off the fish oil in here, and people who read my other threads will tell me ; ah nitric oxide and other herbals (certified to have no heavy metals from pharmaceutical companies are worse, you need fish oil, ignore this guy, and the news, and the thousand people who tried for 5 years to force the news to talk about it, and MUCH other stuff.
You don’t need fish oil, plants have it all without the crap !
So my point is just like you, and in relation to this thread : Don’t try to shut up vegetarian friends by telling them on either side of the spectrum OR shut up moron I’ll ignore you OR you’re not right and then spew relative arguments which have no science to back it up. Just try to inform them, while shutting their stupid evangelical crusade with INFORMATION.
Like well where do your food come from ? Are you sure it hasn’t been sprayed with pesticides. What about chem-trails, are you sure your organic field hasn’t been targeted by black ops to make sure you get your daily dose ?
NOW thats what I’m talking about, and forgive me for reacting so strongly to the stupidity thats been spewed at me !
Namase !
Ps. Common do you really think Hitler was a vegetarian, it was all a political fad, like MANY artists and personalities. However Socrates and Platon were both vegetarians.
I could quote many great minds but I don’t want to irritate anyone further, it’s getting counterproductive as far as controversy goes !
so where are these plants that can give me 10+ grams of EPA+DHA daily ? i don’t feel like growing several more stomachs to digest them all
Where there is algae and micro-algae oil. There is one brand out there called V-Pure. Or you can eat lots of crustaceans or small fishies or oil concentrate from them most likely are purer.
If you ate a diet rich in grains and nuts you would definately be able to synthetise your own EPA and DHA from the ALA in there, with added benefits of phytonutrients.
Hemp seed oil is a very good source of omega fatty acids (80%!) and tastes very good as well, it’s not long if you eat the nuts and then put oil in your salad that you’ve ingested over 30 grams a day which will cycle in your body and probably be even better due to the special balance you will acquire on your own, fish oil is balanced for fish !
Namase !
[quote]Ahuae wrote:
Where there is algae and micro-algae oil. There is one brand out there called V-Pure. Or you can eat lots of crustaceans or small fishies or oil concentrate from them most likely are purer.
If you ate a diet rich in grains and nuts you would definately be able to synthetise your own EPA and DHA from the ALA in there, with added benefits of phytonutrients.
Hemp seed oil is a very good source of omega fatty acids (80%!) and tastes very good as well, it’s not long if you eat the nuts and then put oil in your salad that you’ve ingested over 30 grams a day which will cycle in your body and probably be even better due to the special balance you will acquire on your own, fish oil is balanced for fish !
Namase ![/quote]
Except the conversion of ALA into those eicosanoids isn’t particularly efficient. Most people just don’t have the enzyme activity necessary to make that process move along very well. Personally, I think ALA blows.
If you really want to live naturally, why don’t you go steal some eggs, eat little bugs and rodents, chow down on some weeds and crack open the bones and skulls of carrion to get at the precious marrow and brains like our ancestors did.
That must be why it’s called an essential fatty acid, contrary to DHA. And lemme laugh at those studies for a moment.
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Done. They give people with an horrible anti-delta-6 desaturase enzyme diet margarine loaded with omega-6 with poor omega3, which is proven to reduce conversion.
Btw desaturase and elongase enzymes are found in freshly sprouted grains. Borage and Evening primrose kind of plants seem to have the highest concentrations, along with pre-formed GLA which enhances the conversion. Key seems to be diversity dosen’t it ?
All that meat you consume is loaded with Arachidonic Acid… and heat-oxidised saturated fats. Yall can say what you want, if your protein is good, this is bad.
And now we would need to eat PCB and mercury contaminated fish oil when we can have a very conentrated DHA-EPA oil from algae, which are also very good when you know how to prepare them btw. Fish get it there in the beginning of the chain, why couldn’t we intelligently do the same? We even have extraction technology.
And like I have said before my own enzyme system has been completely destroyed by mercury poisoning and the systemic candida and eipsteinbarr virus which ensued, which caused me 5 years or was it 6 years of sexual abstinence from when I was 19-20. If you like to laugh at this its fine with me. But yet I’m here, I’m training, and this is why I eat crustaceans and eggs, DHA-EPA.
You pull out a fancy word like eicosanoids and you think it will look more educated ? You have much to read, just googling DHA and taking the first few articles about how a stupid human (diet-wise) cannot convert his ALA, of course he can’t !
If you want a healthy brain , you should start by training your discernement !
Namase !
[quote]Ahuae wrote:
That must be why it’s called an essential fatty acid, contrary to DHA. And lemme laugh at those studies for a moment.
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Done. They give people with an horrible anti-delta-6 desaturase enzyme diet margarine loaded with omega-6 with poor omega3, which is proven to reduce conversion.
Btw desaturase and elongase enzymes are found in freshly sprouted grains. Borage and Evening primrose kind of plants seem to have the highest concentrations, along with pre-formed GLA which enhances the conversion. Key seems to be diversity dosen’t it ?
All that meat you consume is loaded with Arachidonic Acid… and heat-oxidised saturated fats. Yall can say what you want, if your protein is good, this is bad.
And now we would need to eat PCB and mercury contaminated fish oil when we can have a very conentrated DHA-EPA oil from algae, which are also very good when you know how to prepare them btw. Fish get it there in the beginning of the chain, why couldn’t we intelligently do the same? We even have extraction technology.
And like I have said before my own enzyme system has been completely destroyed by mercury poisoning and the systemic candida and eipsteinbarr virus which ensued, which caused me 5 years or was it 6 years of sexual abstinence from when I was 19-20. If you like to laugh at this its fine with me. But yet I’m here, I’m training, and this is why I eat crustaceans and eggs, DHA-EPA.
You pull out a fancy word like eicosanoids and you think it will look more educated ? You have much to read, just googling DHA and taking the first few articles about how a stupid human (diet-wise) cannot convert his ALA, of course he can’t !
If you want a healthy brain , you should start by training your discernement !
Namase ![/quote]
Just because I didn’t choose to elucidate the entire mechanism, or site any original research doesn’t mean I haven’t studied it or read them. For the record, I agree with you that the shitty diets people eat contribute to their inability to utilize ALA. I suppose I can even concede that you could contrive a healthful diet of only vegetable matter and marine life, but where I disagree is that it would be worth it. Why bother when it would be simpler to add even minute amounts of animal products to cover your bases?
I’m far from just spouting buzzwords I found on a web search. I happen to have had a solid formal education including the same biochemistry that most life science graduate students take. I don’t often brag about my credentials, and I don’t really give a shit what yours are, but it’s pretty classless to suggest I’m just a laymen trying to prattle on about things I don’t understand. Thanks for the discussion, but I won’t be contributing to this thread again.
Referring to the OP…we all deal with this eventually. When people realize how much beef, eggs and protein shakes I take in, they start to lecture me on how bad it is for my kidneys and my cholesterol. Then I get ready to spout off a long-winded reply…then change my mind and hit them with this…‘What did you eat this weekend?’ Then I tell them to shut up before they can reply. The day I let a person who lives off of McD’s, pizza, and Indian food while drinking away every weekend after hitting the spin class is the day I go vegan.
OP - Simply kill and eat your friends.
This way 1) they shut up, and 2) you get a good meal.
Job done.