Genetics....Do YOU Suck?

  1. There is no such thing as “bad genetics” or “good genetics”. There are genetic predispositions that are better for one thing and others that are suited for different stuff. As bodybuilders we tend to limit “genetics” to the capacity to build muscle. The truth of the matter is that not everybody is designed to be hugely muscular. Some have the “starting material” to be better at endurance activities, others at motor skill work, etc. I’m 5’8", I do not have the “genetics” to be an NBA star… but that doesn’t mean that I have “bad genetics”.

This was actually the REAL strength of the former Soviet sport system (and now the Chinese one): they would determine what your body is designed to be good at and forced you to take part of that sport.

  1. Okay with that out of the way, let’s talk “bodybuilding genetics”… basically how your body will respond to growth-producing stimuli and how easily it can get and stay lean. YES some people have better predispositions than others. But just because you look buff without training doesn’t mean that if you trained hard you would become a freak. On the other hand, just because you are small before training doesn’t mean that you don’t have huge growth potential.

I know a lot of naturally big guys who actually didn’t become much bigger when they started training hard. I also know plenty of guys who where muscular, lean and strong looking in high school without even training, who actually look worse now even though they are training.

I have also encountered plenty of guys who were smallish when they were young, but are now huge. A good example of this is Training Lab athlete Alex Raymond. At one point in high school he was something like 140 on 5’9". He told me a funny story; a woman added him on Facebook (she was friend of one of his contact) and told him how amazing he looked (on his pic he is 230 in contest shape).

It turned out that Alex knew the girl because they actually went to high school together and she was part of a group that made fun of him for being small and geeky looking! Went he confronted her, she did not believe that it was the same guy.

Anyway, now with his size and especially width, everybody thinks that he is a genetic freak. At 140 nobody would have thunk that!

But it turns out that when he was 140, he was barely eating (anorexic). Even at 18 he barely went up to 160. Sometimes you might have the right genetic predisposition (genotype) to be big and muscular but the things he is doing prevent him from attaining his potential (phenotype).

It doesn’t mean that everybody has great muscle building genetics, but it means that unless you do everything right FOR LONG ENOUGH TO SEE SIGNIFICANT RESULTS you cannot know how good your genetics are.

Another good example of this is my friend Pascal Caron who was a 2-times member of the Canadian Olympic Bobsled team. In high school he was a cross-country runner and 135 on 5’7". When he switched to running track and lifting heavy weights he went up to 187 with one of the thickest chest I’ve seen on a guy that size and less than 8% body fat year round. At one point he was bench pressing 435lbs. When he would stop training he drop down to 140-145 then would go back up to 180 within months of training again. Again, you would never believe that he had good genetics when he is at his smallest.

On the other hand of the spectrum, I played football with guy who was 267 on 5’11", ran a 4.65 and bench pressed 315 x 5 reps at 19 years of age. He also sounded as dumb as heck. Well, I saw him 5 years later, he was now 190 and finishing his Ph.D.!!!

My own little brother is a good example of good size genetics, but not doing anything with it. When he was 17 he trained with me for 6 months. After 6 months he was 290 on 5’10" and deadlifted 550 for 5 reps. He stopped training altogether, focused on golf. Now he is a skinny fat 190.

Genetics is one thing, but what you make of it is another.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Amonero wrote:
Yep, my genes suck.[/quote]

They sure as hell do if you think that way. Your mind has the power to hold you back long before “genetics” do.

One of the guys who was working in with us one day asked me how I got my bench press up initially and I told him it was by training with people stronger than I was (just like he was doing). There is no way in hell I would have allowed myself to think I could ever do 405 on a bench press back then. That was about double my body weight at the time. If I hadn’t seen someone relatively my age and size doing it, my own mental block would have made sure that it would have either taken 10 times as long for me to do the same…or made sure I never would have done it.

Also, most of you won’t reach as far simply because you sit around procrastinating through the best growth years of your life. You won’t eat enough to grow because you want abs right now…only to realize 10 years later that your body won’t respond the same now that you finally want to see how far you can go.

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Concise and true. As for wasted years, Painfully true.

Directed to anyone.

At what minimum age should someone start training hard with regards to the start of those 3-5 years?

Now.

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
Directed to anyone.

At what minimum age should someone start training hard with regards to the start of those 3-5 years?

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Right now.

Interesting topic.
Pretty sure that those that claim poor genetics exaggerate the role of genetics in their lack of success
Pretty sure those that have achieved great results do not give their genetics enough credit, in addition to their effort

Why do people continue to do the same thing workout after workout, year after year, without results?
The genetic problem is there.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Amonero wrote:
Yep, my genes suck.[/quote]

They sure as hell do if you think that way. Your mind has the power to hold you back long before “genetics” do.

One of the guys who was working in with us one day asked me how I got my bench press up initially and I told him it was by training with people stronger than I was (just like he was doing). There is no way in hell I would have allowed myself to think I could ever do 405 on a bench press back then. That was about double my body weight at the time. If I hadn’t seen someone relatively my age and size doing it, my own mental block would have made sure that it would have either taken 10 times as long for me to do the same…or made sure I never would have done it.

Also, most of you won’t reach as far simply because you sit around procrastinating through the best growth years of your life. You won’t eat enough to grow because you want abs right now…only to realize 10 years later that your body won’t respond the same now that you finally want to see how far you can go.

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This has helped me progress a lot… A bunch of guys all talk shop, lifts and everything. When someone posts numbers it’s really eye opening as to what you can accomplish. If I just went by what I see going on in the college weight room, I’d still be benching 225 or something silly.

All through middle school and high school I was very into soccer.So during that long time period I would grab a quick bar of chocolate or something crappy then play soccer through the lunch break.Except for dinner I wasnt eating hardly anything throughout the day.For all of highschool I was 165 pounds.In my final year I went to 180 pounds from eating properly and a crappy cement weight set.I’m heading into my second year of college at 205 pounds from eating shedloads and access to proper heavy weights.I would agree with alot of people here in that unless you are eating and training like a bodybuilder for about 5 years yout dont know what the fuck your genetics are like.

If my genetic make up would suck I wouldn’t be here. A year ago I had hit the 200lbs, not a pretty sight… it took me around 6000 kcal a day to get there. My body adapted and now I can maintain my bodyweight easily with 3000 kcal which is around 210lbs nowadays.

I’m probably the biggest in my family tree, only by all means not the tallest lol. Let the love for eating and the iron spread with my branch.

Does anyone know of guys who made the most body building progress in their 30’s due to genetics (rather than suddenly gaining due to training/eating/living optimally)?

Seems that like the 90% of you here are all ectomorphs. Stop whining, the real bad genetics is the skinny-fatness. Hard to be lean and needs A LOT of lifestyle changes (stress nutrition) etc to gain any real strength. Moreover I also read somewhere that most elite athletes were just skinny before there started.

Someone here said that “genetically elite people reach elite status when they train, but are normal people when they stop”. Like genetics is the response to training, there are no human gorillas without training out there.

[quote]evo2008 wrote:
Does anyone know of guys who made the most body building progress in their 30’s due to genetics (rather than suddenly gaining due to training/eating/living optimally)?[/quote]

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]evo2008 wrote:
Does anyone know of guys who made the most body building progress in their 30’s due to genetics (rather than suddenly gaining due to training/eating/living optimally)?[/quote]

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I was trying to avoid calling people names but that hit me as well.

Mind you, guys who think like that are the main ones over complicating everything when they don’t even understand the absolute basics of what the human body can even do.

There are no people in their 30’s who accidentally got huge “because of genetics”.

You are not going to see some guy with huge fucking shoulders and bodybuilder proportions who never works out in any way at all. They may not train specifically for bodybuilding, but some of you seem to think there are guys walking around with 20" lean arms who don’t workout all because of GENETICS.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]evo2008 wrote:
Does anyone know of guys who made the most body building progress in their 30’s due to genetics (rather than suddenly gaining due to training/eating/living optimally)?[/quote]

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I was trying to avoid calling people names but that hit me as well.

Mind you, guys who think like that are the main ones over complicating everything when they don’t even understand the absolute basics of what the human body can even do.

There are no people in their 30’s who accidentally got huge “because of genetics”.

You are not going to see some guy with huge fucking shoulders and bodybuilder proportions who never works out in any way at all. They may not train specifically for bodybuilding, but some of you seem to think there are guys walking around with 20" lean arms who don’t workout all because of GENETICS.[/quote]

I’m still trying to figure out what exactly he meant to say. I can’t make sense of it. Thought it was just me…

But I do have that uncle, thrice-removed, who woke up on his 30th birthday weighing 315 lbs in contest shape with a 700 lb raw bench… The day before that he weighed all of 120 pounds.
I swear it’s the truth! I have no reason to lie.

Oh, and the bench is an estimate. He doesn’t train, after all.

He has 13 inch wrists too, so even Casey Butt can’t change the facts there.

On a personnal level my genetics are very average… when you keep having inflammation even when you take almost every substance supposed to be anti-inflammatory AND advil when working out it’s a sure sign you are not made for strength.

But on the other side my little brother (who have the same mother and father than me duh) has insane genetics, he has the squat and deadlift canadian record for the under 18 at 165 lbs and 16 years old after 6 month of training. The first time he ever squatted he put 315. He is also much more explosive than me. If he is not the next top canadian powerlifter he will be in the elite. Basically now I live lifting through him as I am injured LOL.

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]evo2008 wrote:
Does anyone know of guys who made the most body building progress in their 30’s due to genetics (rather than suddenly gaining due to training/eating/living optimally)?[/quote]

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I was trying to avoid calling people names but that hit me as well.

Mind you, guys who think like that are the main ones over complicating everything when they don’t even understand the absolute basics of what the human body can even do.

There are no people in their 30’s who accidentally got huge “because of genetics”.

You are not going to see some guy with huge fucking shoulders and bodybuilder proportions who never works out in any way at all. They may not train specifically for bodybuilding, but some of you seem to think there are guys walking around with 20" lean arms who don’t workout all because of GENETICS.[/quote]

I’m still trying to figure out what exactly he meant to say. I can’t make sense of it. Thought it was just me…

But I do have that uncle, thrice-removed, who woke up on his 30th birthday weighing 315 lbs in contest shape with a 700 lb raw bench… The day before that he weighed all of 120 pounds.
I swear it’s the truth! I have no reason to lie.

Oh, and the bench is an estimate. He doesn’t train, after all.

He has 13 inch wrists too, so even Casey Butt can’t change the facts there.

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Dont lie CC, you injected him with creatine one night as he slept!!

I think evo was railing against people who would rely on genetics instead of hard work. I’m not entirely sure that is what he meant though…and I have a migraine to show for it.

Come forth evo2008 and explain yourself.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
On a personnal level my genetics are very average… when you keep having inflammation even when you take almost every substance supposed to be anti-inflammatory AND advil when working out it’s a sure sign you are not made for strength.
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Because the rest of us don’t experience inflammation?

I have far above average genetics and I would never expect to get a back like the guy in the picture. Some people have a warped perspective on what “good” and “bad” genetics are.

sweet thread