Full Body 3x Week

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
Didn’t MODOK state that for a while he was training bodyparts up to 3x a week and making good gains? (I may be remembering incorrectly so excuse me). [/quote] Several of us have done that, but not with TBT… [quote]

And while he did, that doesn’t mean everyone can do that. I think we should allow room for personal differences. I think it’s widely accepted that beginners should train their muscles more frquently than an advanced or intermdiate lifter (because the weights and intensity they exert are a lot less), but I think 3x a week is really pushing it. [/quote]

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
The Austrian Oak wrote:

Please name all these “pros” for TBT. Throw in some pics of guys who got really big by using TBT while you’re at it.

[copy and paste answer from Waterbury article HERE]

Mike Menzter, a lot of college football and other collegiate athletes and lifters from East Europe who could basically eat you in two servings.

DeFranco’s training? [/quote] Huh? Doesn’t he use a somewhat altered westside template? Never heard of him having people squat 3 times a week or doing tbt, but maybe I’m wrong here… [quote]

Seriously though I think squatting 3x a week when done right and other full body workouts are the optimal way for beginners especially to put on a significant amount of mass. The hormonal effects of demanding full body workouts produce very good anabolic responses.[/quote] Great. You get 1000 studies saying this, and 1000 studies saying that the hormonal effects of training are vastly overrated.
Whatever.

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I think lifters who workout in splits would greatly benefit from changing things up every once and a while and trying a full body template for a short period of time. [/quote] I think you should stop regurgitating stuff you hear from others or read in articles and get some real experience yourself… No offense. [quote]

If you’re new to training, want to get stronger and add serious mass in a short period of time then full body workouts like squatting 3 times a week are unmatched.[/quote]
Right.

I’m going to say a 2-way over 6 days or over 4 days a week is way better! Take that.
Seriously, how the hell are you going to prove your statement? With Rippetoe or Stronglifts 5x5? Seen plenty of people get much better gains and way more balanced development from other beginner routines… 5x5 is simply nice to recommend because most 5x5 routines come with a nifty website or book that explains most of the basics of lifting. It’s by no means the ultimate/optimal beginner training approach…

Jesus man… Beginners naturally gain fast unless they do absolutely everything wrong… 4-way, 6-way, 3-way, 2-way, full-body… They’re all just fine and dandy until your beginner gains stop and you have to actually start using your brain when it comes to programming.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
destroyedquads wrote:
Several of us have done that, but not with TBT…

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I know. I didn’t mean to sound like I was espousing TBT training. I was more referring to frequency though.

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[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
destroyedquads wrote:
Several of us have done that, but not with TBT…

I know. I didn’t mean to sound like I was espousing TBT training. I was more referring to frequency though.[/quote]

And many of us have trained body parts more than once a week without stopping a split routine. I used to train biceps up to 3 times a week as a beginner. That may be why they got up to 18" so fast.

As far as your question about beginners and basic lifts…who here is telling people to avoid “basic lifts” and why do so many of you think a split routine avoids them?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
destroyedquads wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
destroyedquads wrote:
Several of us have done that, but not with TBT…

I know. I didn’t mean to sound like I was espousing TBT training. I was more referring to frequency though.

And many of us have trained body parts more than once a week without stopping a split routine. I used to train biceps up to 3 times a week as a beginner. That may be why they got up to 18" so fast.

As far as your question about beginners and basic lifts…who here is telling people to avoid “basic lifts” and why do so many of you think a split routine avoids them?[/quote]

Dude, I didn’t say anyone was ‘avoiding’ anything. I also don’t remember saying that I think a split routine ‘avoids them’.

But thanks for indirectly answering my question in your first paragraph.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gettnitdone wrote:
The Austrian Oak wrote:

Please name all these “pros” for TBT. Throw in some pics of guys who got really big by using TBT while you’re at it.

[copy and paste answer from Waterbury article HERE]

Mike Menzter, a lot of college football and other collegiate athletes and lifters from East Europe who could basically eat you in two servings.

DeFranco’s training?

Seriously though I think squatting 3x a week when done right and other full body workouts are the optimal way for beginners especially to put on a significant amount of mass. The hormonal effects of demanding full body workouts produce very good anabolic responses.

I think lifters who workout in splits would greatly benefit from changing things up every once and a while and trying a full body template for a short period of time.

If you’re new to training, want to get stronger and add serious mass in a short period of time then full body workouts like squatting 3 times a week are unmatched.

Mike Mentzer built that physique training like every other bodybuilder back then, not by doing TBT or even his own HIT training that he LATER developed. Further, he asks for PICTURES of people who got extremely big by training that way exclusively. No one has ever fucking said that you can not gain muscle at all that way. We just know for a fact that most people who actually got really big and proportioned didn’t do it training TBT 3 times a week.

It also makes little sense to make statements about how beginners should train as if training splits somehow decreases the gains made as a newbie. That’s retarded.[/quote]

Right. All of these guys who were preaching TBT or HIT adopted it AFTER they reached their full development. So the HIT training or TBT MAY have helped them to maintain some size. It has already been posted on these forums that training 3 times per week with more of a full body split can be useful for MAINTAINANCE, not building size.

As far as DeFranco is concerned, he trains athletes. His splits mostly resemble upper/lower more than anything else and he always stresses training muscles, not movements. It can be argued that his strongman training days are full body.

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[quote]The Austrian Oak wrote:

Right. All of these guys who were preaching TBT or HIT adopted it AFTER they reached their full development. So the HIT training or TBT MAY have helped them to maintain some size. It has already been posted on these forums that training 3 times per week with more of a full body split can be useful for MAINTAINANCE, not building size.

As far as DeFranco is concerned, he trains athletes. His splits mostly resemble upper/lower more than anything else and he always stresses training muscles, not movements. It can be argued that his strongman training days are full body.
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Actually, I believe you got it right. Full body splits are only useful for maintenance. Nobody has ever built any significant muscle using them.

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I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again.

I gained 20lbs in a year of TBT training. Mostly in my lower-body due to the 3x/week squatting. Now playing catch-up.

I have since gained 30+ lbs and counting in only 7 months of splits.

My training is also much more enjoyable and fun. I do what I feel like doing, when I feel like doing, what I feel like doing.

As someone who has actually done TBT, I do NOT recommend it to anybody.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Gettnitdone wrote:
The Austrian Oak wrote:

Please name all these “pros” for TBT. Throw in some pics of guys who got really big by using TBT while you’re at it.

[copy and paste answer from Waterbury article HERE]

Mike Menzter, a lot of college football and other collegiate athletes and lifters from East Europe who could basically eat you in two servings.

DeFranco’s training? Huh? Doesn’t he use a somewhat altered westside template? Never heard of him having people squat 3 times a week or doing tbt, but maybe I’m wrong here…

Seriously though I think squatting 3x a week when done right and other full body workouts are the optimal way for beginners especially to put on a significant amount of mass. The hormonal effects of demanding full body workouts produce very good anabolic responses. Great. You get 1000 studies saying this, and 1000 studies saying that the hormonal effects of training are vastly overrated.
Whatever.

I think lifters who workout in splits would greatly benefit from changing things up every once and a while and trying a full body template for a short period of time. I think you should stop regurgitating stuff you hear from others or read in articles and get some real experience yourself… No offense.

If you’re new to training, want to get stronger and add serious mass in a short period of time then full body workouts like squatting 3 times a week are unmatched.
Right.

I’m going to say a 2-way over 6 days or over 4 days a week is way better! Take that.
Seriously, how the hell are you going to prove your statement? With Rippetoe or Stronglifts 5x5? Seen plenty of people get much better gains and way more balanced development from other beginner routines… 5x5 is simply nice to recommend because most 5x5 routines come with a nifty website or book that explains most of the basics of lifting. It’s by no means the ultimate/optimal beginner training approach…

Jesus man… Beginners naturally gain fast unless they do absolutely everything wrong… 4-way, 6-way, 3-way, 2-way, full-body… They’re all just fine and dandy until your beginner gains stop and you have to actually start using your brain when it comes to programming.

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No shit if you want a defined, symmetrical physique you’re going to have to use split routine training. I consider Lower body/ Upper body days full body training, we probably got lost in translation.

The bottom line is I’d rather see a 160 lb kid squatting frequently and getting used to ‘heavy’ weights than him doing bicep curls. I don’t really care for the split vs. full body. In terms of building a foundation a quicker way, from my experience and others I know this has been through full body training and training for strength. I look at 5/3/1 as a full body program, just my definition.

Other than that I hate the Bundesliga.

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I gained 65 pounds in 18 months using mostly TBT. I LOL at my before pictures. I will eventually post before & after photos when I hit the 2 or 3 year mark.

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[quote]KyleT wrote:
I gained 65 pounds in 18 months using mostly TBT. I LOL at my before pictures. I will eventually post before & after photos when I hit the 2 or 3 year mark.[/quote]

65 lbs in 18 months is impressive and a massive change in ones physique. Why nor post the pics now?

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[quote]KyleT wrote:
I gained 65 pounds in 18 months using mostly TBT. I LOL at my before pictures. I will eventually post before & after photos when I hit the 2 or 3 year mark.[/quote]

I gained 150lbs by the age of 17.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
KyleT wrote:
I gained 65 pounds in 18 months using mostly TBT. I LOL at my before pictures. I will eventually post before & after photos when I hit the 2 or 3 year mark.

I gained 150lbs by the age of 17.[/quote]

it must have been TBT.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
No shit if you want a defined, symmetrical physique you’re going to have to use split routine training. I consider Lower body/ Upper body days full body training[/quote] How so? Seeing as you’re simply not training your full body each session ? [quote], we probably got lost in translation.

The bottom line is I’d rather see a 160 lb kid squatting frequently and getting used to ‘heavy’ weights than him doing bicep curls. I don’t really care for the split vs. full body. In terms of building a foundation a quicker way, from my experience and others I know this has been through full body training and training for strength. I look at 5/3/1 as a full body program, just my definition. [/quote] Okay, so a 4-way split is what you consider full-body? Seeing as how practically all 5/3/1 templates are 4-ways? [quote]

Other than that I hate the Bundesliga.
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There’s something we can agree on.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
The Austrian Oak wrote:

Please name all these “pros” for TBT. Throw in some pics of guys who got really big by using TBT while you’re at it.

[copy and paste answer from Waterbury article HERE]

Mike Menzter, a lot of college football and other collegiate athletes and lifters from East Europe who could basically eat you in two servings.

DeFranco’s training?

Seriously though I think squatting 3x a week when done right and other full body workouts are the optimal way for beginners especially to put on a significant amount of mass. The hormonal effects of demanding full body workouts produce very good anabolic responses.

I think lifters who workout in splits would greatly benefit from changing things up every once and a while and trying a full body template for a short period of time.

If you’re new to training, want to get stronger and add serious mass in a short period of time then full body workouts like squatting 3 times a week are unmatched.[/quote]

Well, my definition of “significant amount of mass” and “no gains at all” are the same. So we’re pretty much saying the same thing. Also, my definition of “benefit from changing things up” is “complete waste of time”. So, it sounds like you read my mind.

See what I did there?

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
KyleT wrote:
I gained 65 pounds in 18 months using mostly TBT. I LOL at my before pictures. I will eventually post before & after photos when I hit the 2 or 3 year mark.

65 lbs in 18 months is impressive and a massive change in ones physique. Why nor post the pics now?[/quote]

Well, I’ve gained a little bit of fat and my musculature is still FAR away from where I want to be and I know I still need a lot more size and strength…I mean I’ve been training less than 2 years, but I guess I can give a couple of pictures. I just hope nobody shits on my progress.

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[quote]KyleT wrote:
I just hope nobody shits on my progress.[/quote]

That won’t happen if your not blowing smoke up people’s asses.

We like progress.

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Before picture, 21 years old, 140 lbs.
After picture, 23 years old, 208 lbs.
68 pound difference.

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Here’s another. Notice the legs difference in these pics. This is from squatting 3x per week.

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[quote]KyleT wrote:
Here’s another. Notice the legs difference in these pics. This is from squatting 3x per week.

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I hope you see that your shoulders and biceps are seriously lagging. Send Chad a thank you note.

I’ll leave it there.