like wrap some straps around the bar and hold onto them with like a hammer grip? i did that a few times, didn’t like it
zecher squats are great too , i feel they help me with my deadlift
I don’t mean to sound like a dick but after reading some of these posts, alot of you really need to focus more on proper flexibility/core training.
You shouldn’t experience pain in your wrists, shoulders, back, etc. from doing a front squat.
[quote]Crusher Jr. wrote:
I don’t mean to sound like a dick but after reading some of these posts, alot of you really need to focus more on proper flexibility/core training.
You shouldn’t experience pain in your wrists, shoulders, back, etc. from doing a front squat.
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When first staring out you will experience slight pain in the wrist and shoulders since your not used to that odd position with the bar. This is of course using a clean grip, though the shoulders will get slightly bruised from the heavy weight until its used to it, much like with back squats and traps.
The back will get ‘sore’ from front squatting but you should not experience pain anywhere unless your form is bad your right about that.
My Front Box Squat is 315 and my Box Squat is 365 for a Double. But a lot of my numbers are way out of whack so I can’t really say.
The Front Squat in my opinion is as different from the Squat as the Squat is from the Deadlift. If your Front Squat is way behind your back squat I don’t think you’re automatically in danger of any muscle imbalance injury.
All that matters is the end product. If you’re a powerlifter, then you’re defiantly going to be concerned more with your back squat and you’ll only be concerned with your front squat if it brings up your back squat.
If you’re a Hammer Thrower you’ll probably be more concerned with your Front Squat as a test of your ability to stay upright and still produce a large force.
If you’re a bodybuilder, you’ll just be concerned with if you need more hang from your hams or more teardrop in your quads.
[quote]When first staring out you will experience slight pain in the wrist and shoulders since your not used to that odd position with the bar. This is of course using a clean grip, though the shoulders will get slightly bruised from the heavy weight until its used to it, much like with back squats and traps.
The back will get ‘sore’ from front squatting but you should not experience pain anywhere unless your form is bad your right about that.[/quote]
although they never made my back sore. but i train my back regularly so thats probably why.
Shoulder flexibility is always a issue with a overbencher. Also how you hold the bar -either arms crossed or oly style. And if front sqaut with heels on a plate.
Most people have a problem with not looking up enough while front sqauting, they look in the mirror and then fall forward or tax their lower back trying to stay upright.
I experience wrist pain because the ligament that wraps around it is damaged. it needs to heal.
my other hand can hold a clean grip with a tight thumb wrapped around grip.
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
Shoulder flexibility is always a issue with a overbencher. Also how you hold the bar -either arms crossed or oly style. And if front sqaut with heels on a plate.
Most people have a problem with not looking up enough while front sqauting, they look in the mirror and then fall forward or tax their lower back trying to stay upright.
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What the hell is an ‘overbencher?’
Far more people have shitty technique because they have never asked for help anywhere else than an internet forum, lack hip and ankle flexibility, and don’t know how to set the movement up correctly than have a problem with where they look during the movement. This probably wouldn’t even make the top 20 list.
Where did you come up with this shit?
I dont think he meant that it has to do with bench numbers as much as the chest having a lot of muscle
if however you keep doing overhead squatting or front squatting while gaining chest mass i think you should be fine.
btw ive only learnt on the internet how to squat and i can do front squats fine. back squats i lack flexibility so that my back doesnt round, but flexibility doesnt have to do with the internet… just takes time. you can learn, it just takes much longer and harder to explain on the internet.
[quote]lordstorm88 wrote:
i dont think he meant that it has to do with bench numbers as much as the chest having a lot of muscle
if however you keep doing overhead squatting or front squatting while gaining chest mass i think you should be fine.
btw ive only learnt on the internet how to squat and i can do front squats fine. back squats i lack flexibility so that my back doesnt round, but flexibility doesnt have to do with the internet… just takes time. you can learn, it just takes much longer and harder to explain on the internet.[/quote]
Regardless of what he means it is a stupid statement. I am sure it is not a statement relative to chest mass or numbers. He is speaking flexibility and imbalance.
I would be willing to wager a significant amount that if the only place you have learned execution of movements is the internet if somebody qualified worked with you your form and approach to the lifts would change markedly.
Overbencher-sorry quick term for someone who does too much pressing and not enough rhomboid rear lat work.ie shoulders start hunching forward severely limiting flexibility for certain movements causing all sorts of problems…
Sorry about my internet speak-I can come across very brief sometimes.
@aqpwsearch didn’t mean to say a stupid statement - but in reality whats the first thing that comes to your mind when you see that term?
Mine is a guy who benches to much and doesn’t do much else vesides biceps.
I doubt it. i go to a gym with plenty of elite bodybuilders and one powerlifter and to olympic lifting where every guy lifts more than me and they’ve never found anything bad in my squat form.
definitely lots of bad in my clean and jerk and snatch form, but not squat. it just took very very long a time to learn compared to if i had a trainer.
the chest mass thing is true. ive never done much for shoulder flexibility and i have great shoulder flexibility, whereas lots of people with huge chests that DIDNT while gaining chest mass do shoulder flexibility drills have very low shoulder flexibility.
im surprised that you havent seen this. one of the reasons that olympic lifters dont train chest is because putting mass on chests reduce shoulder flexibility. the second reason is that its pretty useless for the ol. lifts
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
Overbencher-sorry quick term for someone who does too much pressing and not enough rhomboid rear lat work.ie shoulders start hunching forward severely limiting flexibility for certain movements causing all sorts of problems…
Sorry about my internet speak-I can come across very brief sometimes.
@aqpwsearch didn’t mean to say a stupid statement - but in reality whats the first thing that comes to your mind when you see that term?
Mine is a guy who benches to much and doesn’t do much else vesides biceps.[/quote]
I know what you meant but this is the strenth sports forum which to me suggests we have some folks on here who actually compete in strength sports.
I know it’s a stretch but hey, gotta set some level of expectation. Hopefully we have a level of experience on here above the bench and curl guys. Otherwise, we need a lightbulb forum.
[quote]lordstorm88 wrote:
I doubt it. i go to a gym with plenty of elite bodybuilders and one powerlifter and to olympic lifting where every guy lifts more than me and they’ve never found anything bad in my squat form.
definitely lots of bad in my clean and jerk and snatch form, but not squat. it just took very very long a time to learn compared to if i had a trainer.
the chest mass thing is true. ive never done much for shoulder flexibility and i have great shoulder flexibility, whereas lots of people with huge chests that DIDNT while gaining chest mass do shoulder flexibility drills have very low shoulder flexibility.
im surprised that you havent seen this. one of the reasons that olympic lifters dont train chest is because putting mass on chests reduce shoulder flexibility. the second reason is that its pretty useless for the ol. lifts[/quote]
So which is it? You are self taught or you train with accomplished athletes from whom you have requested feedback? I’m confused. Don’t change the facts to bolster your argument. Focus, man.
Olympic lifters don’t train chest because there is no point in diminshing recovery and/or risking over use injury on a movement that doesn’t contribute much to what they are trying to accomplish.
Plus, if you have any knowledge of OL at all, you realize how form intensive it is and how many times an elite level lifter has to perform a movement under careful scrutiny to get there. It’s a whole different level of conversation.
Training chest in a well structured program should not have a negative effect on shoulder flexibility. You sound like some junior high level PE teacher telling his athletes not to lift b/c it will slow them down.
Hasn’t this site evolved beyond crap like this?
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
Most people have a problem with not looking up enough while front sqauting, they look in the mirror and then fall forward or tax their lower back trying to stay upright.
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i definatly do this, as i keep checking to see if my depth is right, however can i just ask a question to those that front squat
do you ever end up with bruises across your shoulders/arms where the bar is placed?
There are elite lifters who bench, who look like they bench, and who still have awesome flexibility. If you can still hit the correct snatch and jerk positions there’s no reason why you can’t bench, apart from recovery as apwsearch mentioned. There’s a video floating around at the moment of Chigishev benching 225kg with flared elbows and his damn feet on the bench, and yet he also has probably the “best” snatch technique of all the SHWs.
I’m feeling less tension in my lower back and glutes with front squats. Front squats need more upper back stability. For me it’s a way more natural move than back squat. My full back squat is about 440, and my full front squat 407.