What’s realistic is different from person to person. One guy with poor genetics can do steroids and still not look as good as a guy that has great genetics.
Why should T-Nation attempt to set realistic expectations when it varies so widely? It’s impossible. They could use pics of Greg Plitt and then some sucker with crappy genetics will say, “Hey, I expected to look like Plitt with this program and these supplements. That’s not realistic!”
[quote]LoRez wrote:
It’s much more likely to achieve a similar size as Greg Plitt as a natural lifter, than it is to achieve a similar size to Kai. [/quote]
Also, about this…I am very interested in how many people here look like Plitt…since he is so “achievable”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
It’s much more likely to achieve a similar size as Greg Plitt as a natural lifter, than it is to achieve a similar size to Kai. [/quote]
Also, about this…I am very interested in how many people here look like Plitt…since he is so “achievable”.[/quote]
You know, just because it’s more likely doesn’t actually mean it’s likely at all. Now, when I do think of goal-setting, I think it’s usually better to work in terms of stepping stones. Get the build of Apollo first, then work on Hercules. And then exceed that.
Or, Brad Pitt in Fight Club, then Bane. And then move beyond that. Plitt first, then Kai.
But there’s something about the photo selection is rubbing me the wrong way, and I’m trying to put my finger on it. I haven’t quite figured it out. Sorry for floundering here trying to place it.
Because about the closest I can get is “I like the articles here, I like the photos, but many of them just don’t seem to go well together… but I’m not sure why”. Yeah. I came up with two attempts to explain it, and apparently neither of them really held water. So I don’t know.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
What’s realistic is different from person to person. One guy with poor genetics can do steroids and still not look as good as a guy that has great genetics.
Why should T-Nation attempt to set realistic expectations when it varies so widely? It’s impossible. They could use pics of Greg Plitt and then some sucker with crappy genetics will say, “Hey, I expected to look like Plitt with this program and these supplements. That’s not realistic!”
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Good points!
[quote]LoRez wrote:
But there’s something about the photo selection is rubbing me the wrong way, and I’m trying to put my finger on it. I haven’t quite figured it out. [/quote]
I have.
The issue is usually internal.
There no reason to be rubbed the wrong way because you see a picture of a really built guy…unless it is a big reminder of what you can’t do…and the only people who really focus on what they can’t do…are people who usually don’t do much.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I wanted to be inspired by average, I’d avoid coming here and instead read Men’s Health.
I know I’ll never look like Kai Green, but the fucker is an incredible image to motivate oneself with.
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this must mean you look better than mens health models?
i understand you are trying to sound “hardcore” but how can kai greene motivate you if it is literally unattainable for you to look REMOTELY like him?
you may as well say i am inspired by the size of the planet jupiter and so train with that in mind when i am bench pressing. [/quote]
I haven’t read past this statement yet, so don’t know if has been said yet? Arnold thought about mountains when training his arms. He wanted his arms to be as big as mountains peaks. So yeah when you train chest think about jupiter. Or Arnolds chest
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I wanted to be inspired by average, I’d avoid coming here and instead read Men’s Health.
I know I’ll never look like Kai Green, but the fucker is an incredible image to motivate oneself with.
[/quote]
this must mean you look better than mens health models?
i understand you are trying to sound “hardcore” but how can kai greene motivate you if it is literally unattainable for you to look REMOTELY like him?
you may as well say i am inspired by the size of the planet jupiter and so train with that in mind when i am bench pressing. [/quote]
Jupiter doesn’t lift.[/quote]
Dirty liar.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I wanted to be inspired by average, I’d avoid coming here and instead read Men’s Health.
I know I’ll never look like Kai Green, but the fucker is an incredible image to motivate oneself with.
[/quote]
this must mean you look better than mens health models?
i understand you are trying to sound “hardcore” but how can kai greene motivate you if it is literally unattainable for you to look REMOTELY like him?
you may as well say i am inspired by the size of the planet jupiter and so train with that in mind when i am bench pressing. [/quote]
Jupiter doesn’t lift.[/quote]
Damn liar.
^Ok, ok…no need to rub it in. Sheesh…
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If someone makes a program it would be nice if they put in “hey, here xyz, a client of mine who got abc results”. And maybe a tad more variety on the front page. But honestly, I don’t understand why it bugs people that much.
Take the delusional kid who thinks their gonna go from Urkle to Kai in 12 weeks, at least their motivated to go to the gym. Sure, his paradigm will shift, but we know that it only takes a little while for anyone to catch the iron bug and before you have it we have the next Kai or Plitt on our hands.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
It’s much more likely to achieve a similar size as Greg Plitt as a natural lifter, than it is to achieve a similar size to Kai. [/quote]
Also, about this…I am very interested in how many people here look like Plitt…since he is so “achievable”.[/quote]
x2
Plitt looks awesome.
Supplement companies are business, businesses are all about making money. If you’re trying to showcase your product/program in the best light in order to sell more _______insert product/program here then why would you put up a picture of some average looking person? That doesn’t even make sense?
[quote]gregron wrote:
Supplement companies are business, businesses are all about making money. If you’re trying to showcase your product/program in the best light in order to sell more _______insert product/program here then why would you put up a picture of some average looking person? That doesn’t even make sense?
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Greg will you never learn, after all these years, you have education, married and children now. Sense when does common sense have anything to do with the internet? Really? Come on man.
[quote]spk wrote:
on the front page of T-Nation there are always good articles on training, but is there ever a photo of a normal guy training??? its always a guy taking a pound of roids a day. guys are all bigger than a house. i know they train hard… but they sure didnt get that way by following the article. its drugs… be nice to see a normal athlete in the photo… not just druggies…[/quote]
What is hilarious are the physiques of the writers of these “fitness articles” all over the web. Fat beer gock having alberts, writing about fat loss. The point of the article is for you to watch an advertisement, which makes the idiot writer a few pence from google. The writer didnt post his own body did he, no they are always capitalizing on other people,s success., using roided bodies to sell their supplements, T Nation is a business after all.
Reading T Nation articles telling me to deadlift every 5 seconds to become huge like a roided guy, caused me a lower back injury i was 14 at the time, and i guess pretty stupid, yeah… Deadlifts make u huge… Nah. Bags of roids do. If you already have a big huge back you built from other exercises from roids, than i guess its safe to take out your back with 300 lb deadlifts.
I have since recovered but it did affect my lifting for 6 months, i had muscular imbalances which led to the injury but no one sees it coming . Stay the hell away from deadlifts unless your on roids and buitt up your back carefully over many years. Do isolation instead or assisted squats. Sooner or later you will wreck a disc squatting or deadlifting. Than your out of the gym for good. Thing is i did have tree trunks for legs though.
The ones who are bothered by the pics are angered out of jealousy as far as I can tell. Sad they can never be as good as those in pics. Who cares about the pics anyway? If you can’t realize that doing the said program in the article isn’t going to turn you into an IFBB pro than you aren’t very intelligent, period.
Most of the articles aren’t programs anyway, so how can you put a photo of someone’s results from that if its simply an alteration of a lift. And no one does the same program for their entire lifting careers anyway. So you can’t put up a pic of someone and say their results are because of the program in the article. That would be false.
stop being babies about the photo selection and focus on the information within. Maybe then you will achieve some considerable results and stop worry about not matching up to someone more superior than you are.
[quote]DrEvil666 wrote:
What is hilarious are the physiques of the writers of these “fitness articles” all over the web. Fat beer gock having alberts, writing about fat loss. The point of the article is for you to watch an advertisement, which makes the idiot writer a few pence from google. The writer didnt post his own body did he, no they are always capitalizing on other people,s success., using roided bodies to sell their supplements, T Nation is a business after all.
Reading T Nation articles telling me to deadlift every 5 seconds to become huge like a roided guy, caused me a lower back injury i was 14 at the time, and i guess pretty stupid, yeah… Deadlifts make u huge… Nah. Bags of roids do. If you already have a big huge back you built from other exercises from roids, than i guess its safe to take out your back with 300 lb deadlifts.
I have since recovered but it did affect my lifting for 6 months, i had muscular imbalances which led to the injury but no one sees it coming . Stay the hell away from deadlifts unless your on roids and buitt up your back carefully over many years. Do isolation instead or assisted squats. Sooner or later you will wreck a disc squatting or deadlifting. Than your out of the gym for good. Thing is i did have tree trunks for legs though.[/quote]
Deadlifts didn’t hurt your back. Your poor form hurt your back.
Please take 10 seconds and proofread what you write before hitting the submit button.
james
[quote]DrEvil666 wrote:
[quote]spk wrote:
on the front page of T-Nation there are always good articles on training, but is there ever a photo of a normal guy training??? its always a guy taking a pound of roids a day. guys are all bigger than a house. i know they train hard… but they sure didnt get that way by following the article. its drugs… be nice to see a normal athlete in the photo… not just druggies…[/quote]
What is hilarious are the physiques of the writers of these “fitness articles” all over the web. Fat beer gock having alberts, writing about fat loss. The point of the article is for you to watch an advertisement, which makes the idiot writer a few pence from google. The writer didnt post his own body did he, no they are always capitalizing on other people,s success., using roided bodies to sell their supplements, T Nation is a business after all.
Reading T Nation articles telling me to deadlift every 5 seconds to become huge like a roided guy, caused me a lower back injury i was 14 at the time, and i guess pretty stupid, yeah… Deadlifts make u huge… Nah. Bags of roids do. If you already have a big huge back you built from other exercises from roids, than i guess its safe to take out your back with 300 lb deadlifts.
I have since recovered but it did affect my lifting for 6 months, i had muscular imbalances which led to the injury but no one sees it coming . Stay the hell away from deadlifts unless your on roids and buitt up your back carefully over many years. Do isolation instead or assisted squats. Sooner or later you will wreck a disc squatting or deadlifting. Than your out of the gym for good. Thing is i did have tree trunks for legs though.[/quote]
Happy 15th birthday.
[quote]DrEvil666 wrote:
[quote]spk wrote:
on the front page of T-Nation there are always good articles on training, but is there ever a photo of a normal guy training??? its always a guy taking a pound of roids a day. guys are all bigger than a house. i know they train hard… but they sure didnt get that way by following the article. its drugs… be nice to see a normal athlete in the photo… not just druggies…[/quote]
What is hilarious are the physiques of the writers of these “fitness articles” all over the web. Fat beer gock having alberts, writing about fat loss. The point of the article is for you to watch an advertisement, which makes the idiot writer a few pence from google. The writer didnt post his own body did he, no they are always capitalizing on other people,s success., using roided bodies to sell their supplements, T Nation is a business after all.
Reading T Nation articles telling me to deadlift every 5 seconds to become huge like a roided guy, caused me a lower back injury i was 14 at the time, and i guess pretty stupid, yeah… Deadlifts make u huge… Nah. Bags of roids do. If you already have a big huge back you built from other exercises from roids, than i guess its safe to take out your back with 300 lb deadlifts.
I have since recovered but it did affect my lifting for 6 months, i had muscular imbalances which led to the injury but no one sees it coming . Stay the hell away from deadlifts unless your on roids and buitt up your back carefully over many years. Do isolation instead or assisted squats. Sooner or later you will wreck a disc squatting or deadlifting. Than your out of the gym for good. Thing is i did have tree trunks for legs though.[/quote]
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Supplement companies are business, businesses are all about making money. If you’re trying to showcase your product/program in the best light in order to sell more _______insert product/program here then why would you put up a picture of some average looking person? That doesn’t even make sense?
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Greg will you never learn, after all these years, you have education, married and children now. Sense when does common sense have anything to do with the internet? Really? Come on man. [/quote]
Lol
Also, who in their right mind would think that _______insert product/program here was solely responsible for the physique featured in a photo? If a new product/program is just being released then that means it hasn’t been around for very long (obvi) so how could the guy in the picture possibly look like that from something that just came out? Doesn’t make sense.