Fight over Playstation

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[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
^NO

They would all be use to him going off.

You are wrong.[/quote]

Why is the little girl in hysterics then if she’s used to that environment? Why is the little boy stunned? Why are they filming it if it’s that commonplace?

[/quote]

Now I’m confused in your above statement you said the Kids “Would be distressed at the first sign of raised voices” Now you are asking Why is the little girl in Hysterics?

Well it seems you are taking “TEXT Book” studies and trying to apply them to real world scenerio.
Like everything else there is a degree or an escalation to things. Maybe the guy goes off and the kids are use to it. But they were not use to him or “THEM” going at it to the above extent. Quite simple.[/quote]

Don’t try to equivocate. I’m talking about your reading of the situation, not mine. If they are “all used to him going off” there would be no reaction from the little girl at all, not close to what we see and hear, anyway. She does react to her mother’s distress, so she isn’t used to seeing it, is she? Little girl crying = not used to seeing daddy punch mommy in the face…

Dogs don’t “get used” to experiences either. You can always tell an emotionally healthy dog from a traumatized one. They wear their experiences in their body language and posture. No “maybes” about it.

This isn’t even close to “text book studies”: it’s about applying a dose of common sense to the material. Don’t make assumptions about how I think.

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[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Ok I just watched it. Totally enraged.

I’m going to find a skinny dude today and beat a permanent lisp in to him and its this dudes fault.

Amidoingitrite?

For the record though, she did swing first. Shall we reincarnate the super hero thread? When, if ever, is it ok to punch a woman? Should he have just held her in place to display dominance and dissuade aggression or put a quick end to it, which worked?

I’m curious about the back story too, what got them there?

And, of course, the kids are the real victim.[/quote]

The question is who is the aggressor in this altercation? He is obviously twice the size, backs her into a corner, kicks at something next to her, and then stands over the top of her in a threatening manner. If I were in her shoes I would probably swing at him too. And from the video do you think those punches she threw were meant to do any damage to him? Do you think that this women even has the capacity to hurt this idiot with a punch even if her intent was to do so? As far as I am concerned the fact that she threw the first punch is irrelevent.[/quote]

This situation started evolving long before she was cornered. Contrary to popular white knight belief, being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make you the aggressor. Judges are white knights of corse, so in court, he’s going to be labeled the agressor, but in reality, he doesn’t seem to be. Near as I can see, he’s not backing her into that corner. She walked around him, to get into that corner and restrict HIS movement. She placed herself in between him, and his possession. WHILE THROWING HIM OUT OF HIS OWN HOME. He wants his shit. She’s trying to prevent him from taking his shit with him by blocking his path to it. I don’t think her punches were any more intended for damage than his were. Tempers were flaring, and punches were thrown, I doubt either of them stopped to think of the potential consequences. He sure as hell didn’t.[/quote]

Well lets cut the BS just for a sec. He had the option to walk his ass out or sit and call the cops on the crazy bitch that was not letting him take his video game. As for the BS about not cornering her. LMAO WHAT??? I’m sorry was he trying to leave thru the window behind the TV.

I’m still on the fence if the video is real but if it is He is a bitch for several reasons.

  1. He can’t hit worth a shit
  2. He kicked his own TV
  3. He let her get the best of him and on Video
  4. If he is leaving the TV what the Fuck is he going to do with the playstation. Take the TV.[/quote]

He has the option to walk out for sure, but that’s a loosing option aswell (there is no win for this guy). Once you leave, your out, and your not going back, and your not getting your shit either. He did not corner her. She placed herself between him and his shit that she knew he was trying to get. Watch the video. They’re not face to face arguing, and he backs her into the corner while towering over her for intimidation. She walks AROUND HIM to get into that corner, while he is making his intentions clear that he intends to take his gay station. No, he’s not trying to leave through the window. He’s trying to leave with his shit, and she’s not letting him do it.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
^NO

They would all be use to him going off.

You are wrong.[/quote]

Why is the little girl in hysterics then if she’s used to that environment? Why is the little boy stunned? Why are they filming it if it’s that commonplace?

[/quote]

Now I’m confused in your above statement you said the Kids “Would be distressed at the first sign of raised voices” Now you are asking Why is the little girl in Hysterics?

Well it seems you are taking “TEXT Book” studies and trying to apply them to real world scenerio.
Like everything else there is a degree or an escalation to things. Maybe the guy goes off and the kids are use to it. But they were not use to him or “THEM” going at it to the above extent. Quite simple.[/quote]

Don’t try to equivocate. I’m talking about your reading of the situation, not mine. If they are “all used to him going off” there would be no reaction from the little girl at all, not close to what we see and hear, anyway. She does react to her mother’s distress, so she isn’t used to seeing it, is she? Little girl crying = not used to seeing daddy punch mommy in the face…

Dogs don’t “get used” to experiences either. You can always tell an emotionally healthy dog from a traumatized one. They wear their experiences in their body language and posture. No “maybes” about it.

This isn’t even close to “text book studies”: it’s about applying a dose of common sense to the material. Don’t make assumptions about how I think. [/quote]

Why not You’re making assumptions on how I think. But that is not the issue.

Once again the guy “could” be a major ass that yells and screams and calls mommy a bitch every 20 seconds talks about how he is going to do this and do that yada yada yada. That means that the SOB has a temper but never went to the level we seen on the video. So the kids are use to him being an ass just never attacking mommy.

And what dogs have you been around. I have seen dogs that will watch a guy (not his owner) beat a old lady with the real baby jesus in the owners home if they are use to seeing that kind of stuff. The dog may look at both the people as alphas to itself so does not react to them being asses.

What I’m saying is you are WAY over analysing the video.

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[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Ok I just watched it. Totally enraged.

I’m going to find a skinny dude today and beat a permanent lisp in to him and its this dudes fault.

Amidoingitrite?

For the record though, she did swing first. Shall we reincarnate the super hero thread? When, if ever, is it ok to punch a woman? Should he have just held her in place to display dominance and dissuade aggression or put a quick end to it, which worked?

I’m curious about the back story too, what got them there?

And, of course, the kids are the real victim.[/quote]

The question is who is the aggressor in this altercation? He is obviously twice the size, backs her into a corner, kicks at something next to her, and then stands over the top of her in a threatening manner. If I were in her shoes I would probably swing at him too. And from the video do you think those punches she threw were meant to do any damage to him? Do you think that this women even has the capacity to hurt this idiot with a punch even if her intent was to do so? As far as I am concerned the fact that she threw the first punch is irrelevent.[/quote]

This situation started evolving long before she was cornered. Contrary to popular white knight belief, being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make you the aggressor. Judges are white knights of corse, so in court, he’s going to be labeled the agressor, but in reality, he doesn’t seem to be. Near as I can see, he’s not backing her into that corner. She walked around him, to get into that corner and restrict HIS movement. She placed herself in between him, and his possession. WHILE THROWING HIM OUT OF HIS OWN HOME. He wants his shit. She’s trying to prevent him from taking his shit with him by blocking his path to it. I don’t think her punches were any more intended for damage than his were. Tempers were flaring, and punches were thrown, I doubt either of them stopped to think of the potential consequences. He sure as hell didn’t.[/quote]

Well lets cut the BS just for a sec. He had the option to walk his ass out or sit and call the cops on the crazy bitch that was not letting him take his video game. As for the BS about not cornering her. LMAO WHAT??? I’m sorry was he trying to leave thru the window behind the TV.

I’m still on the fence if the video is real but if it is He is a bitch for several reasons.

  1. He can’t hit worth a shit
  2. He kicked his own TV
  3. He let her get the best of him and on Video
  4. If he is leaving the TV what the Fuck is he going to do with the playstation. Take the TV.[/quote]

He has the option to walk out for sure, but that’s a loosing option aswell (there is no win for this guy). Once you leave, your out, and your not going back, and your not getting your shit either. He did not corner her. She placed herself between him and his shit that she knew he was trying to get. Watch the video. They’re not face to face arguing, and he backs her into the corner while towering over her for intimidation. She walks AROUND HIM to get into that corner, while he is making his intentions clear that he intends to take his gay station. No, he’s not trying to leave through the window. He’s trying to leave with his shit, and she’s not letting him do it.[/quote]

LMAO ok man. I have to say something. On your advice I went back and watched it again. I’m wondering NOW if the fight is REALLY over a fucking Playstation. Because she said THIS IS MINE. She wants him out she is even telling him to “take whatever he wants and leave” but then HE tried to TAKE HER playstation and she wasn’t having that. Go watch because he stops then says “well where is mine” then drops it totally and goes “well the TV is mine” ahahahahah

If this is real and turns out they are fighting over a Playstation and not that she found his collection of Giant Samoan Rubber dicks in his closet then they both need an ass kicking for doing this shit in front of the kids. Take that shit behind the Trailer park like All good Mid West folks.

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[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Why not You’re making assumptions on how I think. But that is not the issue.
[/quote]

More equivocation. Where exactly have I made assumptions about how you think (provide posts please)? If it’s not an issue then don’t bring it up, only to say it’s not an issue. Redundant comments.

[quote]
Once again the guy “could” be a major ass that yells and screams and calls mommy a bitch every 20 seconds talks about how he is going to do this and do that yada yada yada. That means that the SOB has a temper but never went to the level we seen on the video. So the kids are use to him being an ass just never attacking mommy.[/quote]

Doesn’t explain why they needed to record him if punching the wife was out of character.

I’ll say it again: the reactions in the clip do not support your claim that the kids are used to it. That’s what you said when you told me I was wrong and you’ve said nothing to substantiate that…

[quote]
And what dogs have you been around. I have seen dogs that will watch a guy (not his owner) beat a old lady with the real baby jesus in the owners home if they are use to seeing that kind of stuff. The dog may look at both the people as alphas to itself so does not react to them being asses.[/quote]

So you’ve seen several instances of dogs that watch strangers beat an old lady with the real baby jesus in the owner’s home? Not only is that a vague exaggerrated anecdote you cooked up so you had something to post in response, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I said.

The dog’s body language does not reflect that it is “used” to the man’s behaviour, which is what you said. Watch the vid, it isn’t disinterested, or indifferent; it’s curious. A subordinate dog will react to a violent alpha/ owner with submissive body language to pacify them.

[quote]
What I’m saying is you are WAY over analysing the video. [/quote]

Hello, Pot. Allow me to introduce you to Kettle.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Why not You’re making assumptions on how I think. But that is not the issue.
[/quote]

More equivocation. Where exactly have I made assumptions about how you think (provide posts please)? If it’s not an issue then don’t bring it up, only to say it’s not an issue. Redundant comments.

[quote]
Once again the guy “could” be a major ass that yells and screams and calls mommy a bitch every 20 seconds talks about how he is going to do this and do that yada yada yada. That means that the SOB has a temper but never went to the level we seen on the video. So the kids are use to him being an ass just never attacking mommy.[/quote]

Doesn’t explain why they needed to record him if punching the wife was out of character.

I’ll say it again: the reactions in the clip do not support your claim that the kids are used to it. That’s what you said when you told me I was wrong and you’ve said nothing to substantiate that…

[quote]
And what dogs have you been around. I have seen dogs that will watch a guy (not his owner) beat a old lady with the real baby jesus in the owners home if they are use to seeing that kind of stuff. The dog may look at both the people as alphas to itself so does not react to them being asses.[/quote]

So you’ve seen several instances of dogs that watch strangers beat an old lady with the real baby jesus in the owner’s home? Not only is that a vague exaggerrated anecdote you cooked up so you had something to post in response, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I said.

The dog’s body language does not reflect that it is “used” to the man’s behaviour, which is what you said. Watch the vid, it isn’t disinterested, or indifferent; it’s curious. A subordinate dog will react to a violent alpha/ owner with submissive body language to pacify them.

[quote]
What I’m saying is you are WAY over analysing the video. [/quote]

Hello, Pot. Allow me to introduce you to Kettle. [/quote]

1- Who cares.

2-Who knows why that tape was on. He knew it was on maybe he was trying out for the new season of Idol when she found his collection of Billy Dee Williams pictures and she got jelly. The question is that the kids seemed way to calm about them raising voices almost like here we go again. The DOG even was like “just feed me and shut up” until the guy kicked the TV.

I’m not saying he gave her daily uppercuts I’m saying you can look at this vid 2 ways its not Black and White as to if its fake or not.

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[quote]BDSLift wrote:
If this is real and turns out they are fighting over a Playstation and not that she found his collection of Giant Samoan Rubber dicks in his closet then they both need an ass kicking for doing this shit in front of the kids. Take that shit behind the Trailer park like All good Mid West folks.[/quote]

I agree 100%

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[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Ok I just watched it. Totally enraged.

I’m going to find a skinny dude today and beat a permanent lisp in to him and its this dudes fault.

Amidoingitrite?

For the record though, she did swing first. Shall we reincarnate the super hero thread? When, if ever, is it ok to punch a woman? Should he have just held her in place to display dominance and dissuade aggression or put a quick end to it, which worked?

I’m curious about the back story too, what got them there?

And, of course, the kids are the real victim.[/quote]

The question is who is the aggressor in this altercation? He is obviously twice the size, backs her into a corner, kicks at something next to her, and then stands over the top of her in a threatening manner. If I were in her shoes I would probably swing at him too. And from the video do you think those punches she threw were meant to do any damage to him? Do you think that this women even has the capacity to hurt this idiot with a punch even if her intent was to do so? As far as I am concerned the fact that she threw the first punch is irrelevent.[/quote]

This situation started evolving long before she was cornered. Contrary to popular white knight belief, being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make you the aggressor. Judges are white knights of corse, so in court, he’s going to be labeled the agressor, but in reality, he doesn’t seem to be. Near as I can see, he’s not backing her into that corner. She walked around him, to get into that corner and restrict HIS movement. She placed herself in between him, and his possession. WHILE THROWING HIM OUT OF HIS OWN HOME. He wants his shit. She’s trying to prevent him from taking his shit with him by blocking his path to it. I don’t think her punches were any more intended for damage than his were. Tempers were flaring, and punches were thrown, I doubt either of them stopped to think of the potential consequences. He sure as hell didn’t.[/quote]

I Agree that the situation started long before the video was rolling…Could care less. I don’t care what they were arguing about, whether it is over property, being kicked out of the home, him being caught fucking his neighbor’s dog…I don’t care. People argue. Once it goes to blows they are crossing the line.

I agree 100% that being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make one the aggressor. My assessment of the situation was based on the totality of the circumstances that were present in the video. The fact is he is larger then her. Again, I agree that this alone does not make him the aggressor in and of its self, but accompanied by the fact that he DOES back her into the corner, kicks the tv behind her, and then in response to some pushes and half ass attempted strikes by her he cocks his fist back and punches her square in the head. All this combined makes him the aggressor in my book. His punch certainly did not look defensive in nature to me.

As for your issue over the property, I don’t know how things are done in Canada, but from where I come from if you are married (legal or common law) and live together, property is considered joint property. Both parties have a right to it until decided otherwise by a Judge. If you are willing to go to blows with your spouse over property you are a fucking idiot either way.

Does not matter if either of them considered the consequences of their actions before hand. They are still responsible for them.

And what pisses me off most about this whole thing is that they do this shit in front of their kids. Degenerates. Both of them.

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[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Ok I just watched it. Totally enraged.

I’m going to find a skinny dude today and beat a permanent lisp in to him and its this dudes fault.

Amidoingitrite?

For the record though, she did swing first. Shall we reincarnate the super hero thread? When, if ever, is it ok to punch a woman? Should he have just held her in place to display dominance and dissuade aggression or put a quick end to it, which worked?

I’m curious about the back story too, what got them there?

And, of course, the kids are the real victim.[/quote]

The question is who is the aggressor in this altercation? He is obviously twice the size, backs her into a corner, kicks at something next to her, and then stands over the top of her in a threatening manner. If I were in her shoes I would probably swing at him too. And from the video do you think those punches she threw were meant to do any damage to him? Do you think that this women even has the capacity to hurt this idiot with a punch even if her intent was to do so? As far as I am concerned the fact that she threw the first punch is irrelevent.[/quote]

This situation started evolving long before she was cornered. Contrary to popular white knight belief, being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make you the aggressor. Judges are white knights of corse, so in court, he’s going to be labeled the agressor, but in reality, he doesn’t seem to be. Near as I can see, he’s not backing her into that corner. She walked around him, to get into that corner and restrict HIS movement. She placed herself in between him, and his possession. WHILE THROWING HIM OUT OF HIS OWN HOME. He wants his shit. She’s trying to prevent him from taking his shit with him by blocking his path to it. I don’t think her punches were any more intended for damage than his were. Tempers were flaring, and punches were thrown, I doubt either of them stopped to think of the potential consequences. He sure as hell didn’t.[/quote]

I Agree that the situation started long before the video was rolling…Could care less. I don’t care what they were arguing about, whether it is over property, being kicked out of the home, him being caught fucking his neighbor’s dog…I don’t care. People argue. Once it goes to blows they are crossing the line.

I agree 100% that being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make one the aggressor. My assessment of the situation was based on the totality of the circumstances that were present in the video. The fact is he is larger then her. Again, I agree that this alone does not make him the aggressor in and of its self, but accompanied by the fact that he DOES back her into the corner, kicks the tv behind her, and then in response to some pushes and half ass attempted strikes by her he cocks his fist back and punches her square in the head. All this combined makes him the aggressor in my book. His punch certainly did not look defensive in nature to me.

As for your issue over the property, I don’t know how things are done in Canada, but from where I come from if you are married (legal or common law) and live together, property is considered joint property. Both parties have a right to it until decided otherwise by a Judge. If you are willing to go to blows with your spouse over property you are a fucking idiot either way.

Does not matter if either of them considered the consequences of their actions before hand. They are still responsible for them.

And what pisses me off most about this whole thing is that they do this shit in front of their kids. Degenerates. Both of them.[/quote]
I don’t know man. He was taking it easy on the floor and she was crazy, bitching, unplugging his shit… He walked to the TV to regain control of the situation she was manipulating against his will and she stayed in his face, pushing buttons and attempting to hit.

He did lose his shit and should’ve been cool but she was on him.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Ok I just watched it. Totally enraged.

I’m going to find a skinny dude today and beat a permanent lisp in to him and its this dudes fault.

Amidoingitrite?

For the record though, she did swing first. Shall we reincarnate the super hero thread? When, if ever, is it ok to punch a woman? Should he have just held her in place to display dominance and dissuade aggression or put a quick end to it, which worked?

I’m curious about the back story too, what got them there?

And, of course, the kids are the real victim.[/quote]

The question is who is the aggressor in this altercation? He is obviously twice the size, backs her into a corner, kicks at something next to her, and then stands over the top of her in a threatening manner. If I were in her shoes I would probably swing at him too. And from the video do you think those punches she threw were meant to do any damage to him? Do you think that this women even has the capacity to hurt this idiot with a punch even if her intent was to do so? As far as I am concerned the fact that she threw the first punch is irrelevent.[/quote]

This situation started evolving long before she was cornered. Contrary to popular white knight belief, being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make you the aggressor. Judges are white knights of corse, so in court, he’s going to be labeled the agressor, but in reality, he doesn’t seem to be. Near as I can see, he’s not backing her into that corner. She walked around him, to get into that corner and restrict HIS movement. She placed herself in between him, and his possession. WHILE THROWING HIM OUT OF HIS OWN HOME. He wants his shit. She’s trying to prevent him from taking his shit with him by blocking his path to it. I don’t think her punches were any more intended for damage than his were. Tempers were flaring, and punches were thrown, I doubt either of them stopped to think of the potential consequences. He sure as hell didn’t.[/quote]

I Agree that the situation started long before the video was rolling…Could care less. I don’t care what they were arguing about, whether it is over property, being kicked out of the home, him being caught fucking his neighbor’s dog…I don’t care. People argue. Once it goes to blows they are crossing the line.

I agree 100% that being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make one the aggressor. My assessment of the situation was based on the totality of the circumstances that were present in the video. The fact is he is larger then her. Again, I agree that this alone does not make him the aggressor in and of its self, but accompanied by the fact that he DOES back her into the corner, kicks the tv behind her, and then in response to some pushes and half ass attempted strikes by her he cocks his fist back and punches her square in the head. All this combined makes him the aggressor in my book. His punch certainly did not look defensive in nature to me.

As for your issue over the property, I don’t know how things are done in Canada, but from where I come from if you are married (legal or common law) and live together, property is considered joint property. Both parties have a right to it until decided otherwise by a Judge. If you are willing to go to blows with your spouse over property you are a fucking idiot either way.

Does not matter if either of them considered the consequences of their actions before hand. They are still responsible for them.

And what pisses me off most about this whole thing is that they do this shit in front of their kids. Degenerates. Both of them.[/quote]
I don’t know man. He was taking it easy on the floor and she was crazy, bitching, unplugging his shit… He walked to the TV to regain control of the situation she was manipulating against his will and she stayed in his face, pushing buttons and attempting to hit.

He did lose his shit and should’ve been cool but she was on him.[/quote]

Not disputing the fact that she was being a bitch. And she may have been manipulating the shit out of him in order to get the response out of him that she did. After all the whole thing was caught on tape and she may have been conniving enough to set that whole thing up in order to get him arrested and ammo for their divorce proceedings. Either way he went way over the line when he punched her like he did.

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[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Ok I just watched it. Totally enraged.

I’m going to find a skinny dude today and beat a permanent lisp in to him and its this dudes fault.

Amidoingitrite?

For the record though, she did swing first. Shall we reincarnate the super hero thread? When, if ever, is it ok to punch a woman? Should he have just held her in place to display dominance and dissuade aggression or put a quick end to it, which worked?

I’m curious about the back story too, what got them there?

And, of course, the kids are the real victim.[/quote]

The question is who is the aggressor in this altercation? He is obviously twice the size, backs her into a corner, kicks at something next to her, and then stands over the top of her in a threatening manner. If I were in her shoes I would probably swing at him too. And from the video do you think those punches she threw were meant to do any damage to him? Do you think that this women even has the capacity to hurt this idiot with a punch even if her intent was to do so? As far as I am concerned the fact that she threw the first punch is irrelevent.[/quote]

This situation started evolving long before she was cornered. Contrary to popular white knight belief, being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make you the aggressor. Judges are white knights of corse, so in court, he’s going to be labeled the agressor, but in reality, he doesn’t seem to be. Near as I can see, he’s not backing her into that corner. She walked around him, to get into that corner and restrict HIS movement. She placed herself in between him, and his possession. WHILE THROWING HIM OUT OF HIS OWN HOME. He wants his shit. She’s trying to prevent him from taking his shit with him by blocking his path to it. I don’t think her punches were any more intended for damage than his were. Tempers were flaring, and punches were thrown, I doubt either of them stopped to think of the potential consequences. He sure as hell didn’t.[/quote]

I Agree that the situation started long before the video was rolling…Could care less. I don’t care what they were arguing about, whether it is over property, being kicked out of the home, him being caught fucking his neighbor’s dog…I don’t care. People argue. Once it goes to blows they are crossing the line.

I agree 100% that being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make one the aggressor. My assessment of the situation was based on the totality of the circumstances that were present in the video. The fact is he is larger then her. Again, I agree that this alone does not make him the aggressor in and of its self, but accompanied by the fact that he DOES back her into the corner, kicks the tv behind her, and then in response to some pushes and half ass attempted strikes by her he cocks his fist back and punches her square in the head. All this combined makes him the aggressor in my book. His punch certainly did not look defensive in nature to me.

As for your issue over the property, I don’t know how things are done in Canada, but from where I come from if you are married (legal or common law) and live together, property is considered joint property. Both parties have a right to it until decided otherwise by a Judge. If you are willing to go to blows with your spouse over property you are a fucking idiot either way.

Does not matter if either of them considered the consequences of their actions before hand. They are still responsible for them.

And what pisses me off most about this whole thing is that they do this shit in front of their kids. Degenerates. Both of them.[/quote]
I don’t know man. He was taking it easy on the floor and she was crazy, bitching, unplugging his shit… He walked to the TV to regain control of the situation she was manipulating against his will and she stayed in his face, pushing buttons and attempting to hit.

He did lose his shit and should’ve been cool but she was on him.[/quote]

Not disputing the fact that she was being a bitch. And she may have been manipulating the shit out of him in order to get the response out of him that she did. After all the whole thing was caught on tape and she may have been conniving enough to set that whole thing up in order to get him arrested and ammo for their divorce proceedings. Either way he went way over the line when he punched her like he did. [/quote]
I tend to agree topically but still see a case for self defense.

Think about a bar fight, one dude hits another dude but that dude beats the shit out of the instigator. The instigator looks like the victim and the other guy the aggressor, but not true. Not true at all.

Like 9/11. We got fucking sucker punched and hit back harder, at a weaker opponent, beat the shit out of them and their friends standing in support and became the bad guy in short order. It’s bullshit psychology.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Ok I just watched it. Totally enraged.

I’m going to find a skinny dude today and beat a permanent lisp in to him and its this dudes fault.

Amidoingitrite?

For the record though, she did swing first. Shall we reincarnate the super hero thread? When, if ever, is it ok to punch a woman? Should he have just held her in place to display dominance and dissuade aggression or put a quick end to it, which worked?

I’m curious about the back story too, what got them there?

And, of course, the kids are the real victim.[/quote]

The question is who is the aggressor in this altercation? He is obviously twice the size, backs her into a corner, kicks at something next to her, and then stands over the top of her in a threatening manner. If I were in her shoes I would probably swing at him too. And from the video do you think those punches she threw were meant to do any damage to him? Do you think that this women even has the capacity to hurt this idiot with a punch even if her intent was to do so? As far as I am concerned the fact that she threw the first punch is irrelevent.[/quote]

This situation started evolving long before she was cornered. Contrary to popular white knight belief, being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make you the aggressor. Judges are white knights of corse, so in court, he’s going to be labeled the agressor, but in reality, he doesn’t seem to be. Near as I can see, he’s not backing her into that corner. She walked around him, to get into that corner and restrict HIS movement. She placed herself in between him, and his possession. WHILE THROWING HIM OUT OF HIS OWN HOME. He wants his shit. She’s trying to prevent him from taking his shit with him by blocking his path to it. I don’t think her punches were any more intended for damage than his were. Tempers were flaring, and punches were thrown, I doubt either of them stopped to think of the potential consequences. He sure as hell didn’t.[/quote]

I Agree that the situation started long before the video was rolling…Could care less. I don’t care what they were arguing about, whether it is over property, being kicked out of the home, him being caught fucking his neighbor’s dog…I don’t care. People argue. Once it goes to blows they are crossing the line.

I agree 100% that being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make one the aggressor. My assessment of the situation was based on the totality of the circumstances that were present in the video. The fact is he is larger then her. Again, I agree that this alone does not make him the aggressor in and of its self, but accompanied by the fact that he DOES back her into the corner, kicks the tv behind her, and then in response to some pushes and half ass attempted strikes by her he cocks his fist back and punches her square in the head. All this combined makes him the aggressor in my book. His punch certainly did not look defensive in nature to me.

As for your issue over the property, I don’t know how things are done in Canada, but from where I come from if you are married (legal or common law) and live together, property is considered joint property. Both parties have a right to it until decided otherwise by a Judge. If you are willing to go to blows with your spouse over property you are a fucking idiot either way.

Does not matter if either of them considered the consequences of their actions before hand. They are still responsible for them.

And what pisses me off most about this whole thing is that they do this shit in front of their kids. Degenerates. Both of them.[/quote]
I don’t know man. He was taking it easy on the floor and she was crazy, bitching, unplugging his shit… He walked to the TV to regain control of the situation she was manipulating against his will and she stayed in his face, pushing buttons and attempting to hit.

He did lose his shit and should’ve been cool but she was on him.[/quote]

Not disputing the fact that she was being a bitch. And she may have been manipulating the shit out of him in order to get the response out of him that she did. After all the whole thing was caught on tape and she may have been conniving enough to set that whole thing up in order to get him arrested and ammo for their divorce proceedings. Either way he went way over the line when he punched her like he did. [/quote]
I tend to agree topically but still see a case for self defense.

Think about a bar fight, one dude hits another dude but that dude beats the shit out of the instigator. The instigator looks like the victim and the other guy the aggressor, but not true. Not true at all.

Like 9/11. We got fucking sucker punched and hit back harder, at a weaker opponent, beat the shit out of them and their friends standing in support and became the bad guy in short order. It’s bullshit psychology.[/quote]

I see and understand your point. I think about this a little more black and white then most do I assume. I have been a cop for almost 19 years so this is going to influence how I look at these type of situations. Agreed on the bar fight senario, but this is not a bar senario. This is a domestic assault where young children witnessed the assault. And I would bet my house that there is a history of this type of behavior going on in the home. The way these two were at each other was not their first rodeo. It is pretty cut and dry on how I look at this incident if I was the called to police it.

  1. Was there an assualt.
  2. Who is the aggressor if both parties are claiming mutual assault.
  3. Is there any evidence of an assault ie…injuries, overturned furniture, or in this case video.
  4. Somebody is going to jail if an assault took place.

In the bar senario I can send both people in different directions for the night and not worry about them going back to blows when I leave. I can then let a Prosecuting attorney decide at a later time if charges should be pressed if one or both parties are adamate about prosecuting.

Again what pisses me off the most about situations like this is when the do this shit in front of their kids. The only thing they are doing is teaching them to handle their conflict with violence, which in turn creates job security for me when they grow up to beat on their baby mammas or daddys.

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I’d like to see both get punished, more for the guy. As men, we have to recognize that punch from a small woman will not be the same as punch from one of us. It’s a more dangerous weapon and should be and is recognized as such in the court of law.

It is a shame that all woman has to do is tell a man to leave, get a restraining order, then file for divorce and by default gets 50% of the property, the kids, and alimony and child support. And that child support money can be used however one wants without fear of repudiation for using it for non-child related items.

Unfortunately, no matter how things pan out, the kids lose.

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[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Ok I just watched it. Totally enraged.

I’m going to find a skinny dude today and beat a permanent lisp in to him and its this dudes fault.

Amidoingitrite?

For the record though, she did swing first. Shall we reincarnate the super hero thread? When, if ever, is it ok to punch a woman? Should he have just held her in place to display dominance and dissuade aggression or put a quick end to it, which worked?

I’m curious about the back story too, what got them there?

And, of course, the kids are the real victim.[/quote]

The question is who is the aggressor in this altercation? He is obviously twice the size, backs her into a corner, kicks at something next to her, and then stands over the top of her in a threatening manner. If I were in her shoes I would probably swing at him too. And from the video do you think those punches she threw were meant to do any damage to him? Do you think that this women even has the capacity to hurt this idiot with a punch even if her intent was to do so? As far as I am concerned the fact that she threw the first punch is irrelevent.[/quote]

This situation started evolving long before she was cornered. Contrary to popular white knight belief, being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make you the aggressor. Judges are white knights of corse, so in court, he’s going to be labeled the agressor, but in reality, he doesn’t seem to be. Near as I can see, he’s not backing her into that corner. She walked around him, to get into that corner and restrict HIS movement. She placed herself in between him, and his possession. WHILE THROWING HIM OUT OF HIS OWN HOME. He wants his shit. She’s trying to prevent him from taking his shit with him by blocking his path to it. I don’t think her punches were any more intended for damage than his were. Tempers were flaring, and punches were thrown, I doubt either of them stopped to think of the potential consequences. He sure as hell didn’t.[/quote]

I Agree that the situation started long before the video was rolling…Could care less. I don’t care what they were arguing about, whether it is over property, being kicked out of the home, him being caught fucking his neighbor’s dog…I don’t care. People argue. Once it goes to blows they are crossing the line.

I agree 100% that being bigger and stronger does not instantaneously make one the aggressor. My assessment of the situation was based on the totality of the circumstances that were present in the video. The fact is he is larger then her. Again, I agree that this alone does not make him the aggressor in and of its self, but accompanied by the fact that he DOES back her into the corner, kicks the tv behind her, and then in response to some pushes and half ass attempted strikes by her he cocks his fist back and punches her square in the head. All this combined makes him the aggressor in my book. His punch certainly did not look defensive in nature to me.

As for your issue over the property, I don’t know how things are done in Canada, but from where I come from if you are married (legal or common law) and live together, property is considered joint property. Both parties have a right to it until decided otherwise by a Judge. If you are willing to go to blows with your spouse over property you are a fucking idiot either way.

Does not matter if either of them considered the consequences of their actions before hand. They are still responsible for them.

And what pisses me off most about this whole thing is that they do this shit in front of their kids. Degenerates. Both of them.[/quote]
I don’t know man. He was taking it easy on the floor and she was crazy, bitching, unplugging his shit… He walked to the TV to regain control of the situation she was manipulating against his will and she stayed in his face, pushing buttons and attempting to hit.

He did lose his shit and should’ve been cool but she was on him.[/quote]

Not disputing the fact that she was being a bitch. And she may have been manipulating the shit out of him in order to get the response out of him that she did. After all the whole thing was caught on tape and she may have been conniving enough to set that whole thing up in order to get him arrested and ammo for their divorce proceedings. Either way he went way over the line when he punched her like he did. [/quote]
I tend to agree topically but still see a case for self defense.

Think about a bar fight, one dude hits another dude but that dude beats the shit out of the instigator. The instigator looks like the victim and the other guy the aggressor, but not true. Not true at all.

Like 9/11. We got fucking sucker punched and hit back harder, at a weaker opponent, beat the shit out of them and their friends standing in support and became the bad guy in short order. It’s bullshit psychology.[/quote]

I see and understand your point. I think about this a little more black and white then most do I assume. I have been a cop for almost 19 years so this is going to influence how I look at these type of situations. Agreed on the bar fight senario, but this is not a bar senario. This is a domestic assault where young children witnessed the assault. And I would bet my house that there is a history of this type of behavior going on in the home. The way these two were at each other was not their first rodeo. It is pretty cut and dry on how I look at this incident if I was the called to police it.

  1. Was there an assualt.
  2. Who is the aggressor if both parties are claiming mutual assault.
  3. Is there any evidence of an assault ie…injuries, overturned furniture, or in this case video.
  4. Somebody is going to jail if an assault took place.

In the bar senario I can send both people in different directions for the night and not worry about them going back to blows when I leave. I can then let a Prosecuting attorney decide at a later time if charges should be pressed if one or both parties are adamate about prosecuting.

Again what pisses me off the most about situations like this is when the do this shit in front of their kids. The only thing they are doing is teaching them to handle their conflict with violence, which in turn creates job security for me when they grow up to beat on their baby mammas or daddys.[/quote]
I hear ya, but I’d still be interested to see what a jury has to say when presented with a full story.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I’d like to see both get punished, more for the guy. As men, we have to recognize that punch from a small woman will not be the same as punch from one of us. It’s a more dangerous weapon and should be and is recognized as such in the court of law.

It is a shame that all woman has to do is tell a man to leave, get a restraining order, then file for divorce and by default gets 50% of the property, the kids, and alimony and child support. And that child support money can be used however one wants without fear of repudiation for using it for non-child related items.

Unfortunately, no matter how things pan out, the kids lose.[/quote]

I have arrested both before if I can not determine who the aggressor was. Prosecutor does not like it though and a lot of times charges are dimissed against both.

There is a legal issue when it comes to either person testifing in court against the other. The majority of the time their attorneys will not allow them to do so because what they say on the stand may incriminate them in their own criminal trial. Therefore if there are no witnesses to the assault then there is no one to testify to what occurred other than the police who arrived on the scene and determined that their was a mutual fight between the two, which was not directly witnessed by them (they were called after the fact).

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[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I’d like to see both get punished, more for the guy. As men, we have to recognize that punch from a small woman will not be the same as punch from one of us. It’s a more dangerous weapon and should be and is recognized as such in the court of law.

It is a shame that all woman has to do is tell a man to leave, get a restraining order, then file for divorce and by default gets 50% of the property, the kids, and alimony and child support. And that child support money can be used however one wants without fear of repudiation for using it for non-child related items.

Unfortunately, no matter how things pan out, the kids lose.[/quote]

I have arrested both before if I can not determine who the aggressor was. Prosecutor does not like it though and a lot of times charges are dimissed against both.

There is a legal issue when it comes to either person testifing in court against the other. The majority of the time their attorneys will not allow them to do so because what they say on the stand may incriminate them in their own criminal trial. Therefore if there are no witnesses to the assault then there is no one to testify to what occurred other than the police who arrived on the scene and determined that their was a mutual fight between the two, which was not directly witnessed by them (they were called after the fact). [/quote]

But I’m sure if you saw a woman beaten to a bloody pulp, even if there were witnesses and video strongly indicating she struck first and instigated, and the guy just had a scratch, that would count for something in a court I would think.

Like some small weak guy clocking you over the head with their fist once in a drunken barfight, then shooting them with a pistol in response. It seems like it would be the same principle, just a more extreme example in the one immediately above.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I’d like to see both get punished, more for the guy. As men, we have to recognize that punch from a small woman will not be the same as punch from one of us. It’s a more dangerous weapon and should be and is recognized as such in the court of law.

It is a shame that all woman has to do is tell a man to leave, get a restraining order, then file for divorce and by default gets 50% of the property, the kids, and alimony and child support. And that child support money can be used however one wants without fear of repudiation for using it for non-child related items.

Unfortunately, no matter how things pan out, the kids lose.[/quote]

I have arrested both before if I can not determine who the aggressor was. Prosecutor does not like it though and a lot of times charges are dimissed against both.

There is a legal issue when it comes to either person testifing in court against the other. The majority of the time their attorneys will not allow them to do so because what they say on the stand may incriminate them in their own criminal trial. Therefore if there are no witnesses to the assault then there is no one to testify to what occurred other than the police who arrived on the scene and determined that their was a mutual fight between the two, which was not directly witnessed by them (they were called after the fact). [/quote]

But I’m sure if you saw a woman beaten to a bloody pulp, even if there were witnesses and video strongly indicating she struck first and instigated, and the guy just had a scratch, that would count for something in a court I would think.

Like some small weak guy clocking you over the head with their fist once in a drunken barfight, then shooting them with a pistol in response. It seems like it would be the same principle, just a more extreme example in the one immediately above.[/quote]

Yes, using your example above she could be charged as well and it would be fairly easy to prosecute her regardless of her injuries. What I would have to do is articulate through the witness statements and video that her inittial punches were meant to assault her husband and were NOT defensive in nature due to his posturing or violence that he took out on objects around him (such as what we observed in the video). This does not mean that the male half is going to walk away from this scott free. It will ve very difficult for him to get a jury or a judge to buy into the fact that his actions were all in self defense if his wife ends up “beaten to a bloody pulp”.

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I’m curious as to how the presence of the camera would be judged legally. Since it appears to have been set up by the woman to record this altercation, would this not indicate pre-planning on her part to goad a reaction from the guy?

Returning to the bar example above, if I set up a camera, then spend time taunting and poking someone until he loses it, can I claim ‘victim’ status?

Basically, does the camera imply that the woman knew there would be some kind of incident and thus implying she is not an innocent victim?

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[quote]roon12 wrote:
I’m curious as to how the presence of the camera would be judged legally. Since it appears to have been set up by the woman to record this altercation, would this not indicate pre-planning on her part to goad a reaction from the guy?

Returning to the bar example above, if I set up a camera, then spend time taunting and poking someone until he loses it, can I claim ‘victim’ status?

Basically, does the camera imply that the woman knew there would be some kind of incident and thus implying she is not an innocent victim?[/quote]

It’s his house too how do we know She set it up. The shit was in site for all to see. He went right to it to shut it off.

I think the guy wins the dumb fuck award 2012. Weak Pimp hand and all.

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[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]roon12 wrote:
I’m curious as to how the presence of the camera would be judged legally. Since it appears to have been set up by the woman to record this altercation, would this not indicate pre-planning on her part to goad a reaction from the guy?

Returning to the bar example above, if I set up a camera, then spend time taunting and poking someone until he loses it, can I claim ‘victim’ status?

Basically, does the camera imply that the woman knew there would be some kind of incident and thus implying she is not an innocent victim?[/quote]

It’s his house too how do we know She set it up. The shit was in site for all to see. He went right to it to shut it off.

I think the guy wins the dumb fuck award 2012. Weak Pimp hand and all.[/quote]

We don’t know that she did, I just think that seems more likely. Either way the guy is a dick for kicking his own stuff about and hitting her. Although equally she was also out of line.