Fastest Man in the World

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]smallmike wrote:
I didn’t realize bobsledders were such good athletes![/quote]

JB talks about a bobsleigh guys from the US team in his article about G-Flux… pretty impressive numbers! Bob athletes are very complete. They are super strong, very powerful and fast.

Pierre Lueuders (pilot for Canada 1 team, 3rd in the WC rankings so far this year) has squatted over 600lbs and cleaned close to (if not more than) 400lbs.

I’ve seen Julio Zardo (Pierre’s former breakman) power clean 385lbs and deadlift more than 600lbs.

Steve Wiseman (also a member, or former member, of Canada 1) was a nationally ranked powerlifter who squatted and deadlifted over 700lbs and bench pressed over 550lbs.

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BTW, he did not train at all between 1996 and 2000

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Hey fellas, heres a link that provides some more insight into the CAD type training -

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To give you an idea, here are the numbers of an athlete I worked with. He competed in 2 Olympics as a bobsleigh breakman (last guy to jump in the sleigh). Most bob athletes are 210-240lbs, but this guy was 170-180 which might be a better comparison for you to shoot for. I worked with him in 2001 and 2002. He competed in the 1996 and 2002 Olympic games.

All the results below are from the official bobsleigh Canada tests.

Bench press max (32" grip, no bench shirt):
1996: 363lbs
2002: 425lbs
Difference: +62lbs

Full back squat (thin olympic lifting belt):
1996: 484lbs
2002: 505lbs
Difference: +21lbs

Bodyweight:
1996: 186lbs
2002: 170lbs
Difference: -16lbs

30m (FAT: First Action Timing/timer starts when athlete starts)
1995: 3.63s.
2002: 3.42s.
Improvement: - 0.21s.

60m (FAT: First Action Timing/timer starts when athlete starts)
1995: 6.56s.
2002: 6.36s.
Improvement: - 0.2s

Bobsleigh push test
1995: 6.09s.
2002: 5.09s. (world record at the time)
Improvement: -1.0s

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FAT stands for fully automatic timing not first action timing

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[quote]moax wrote:

FAT stands for fully automatic timing not first action timing

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Thanks for correcting my french-speaking a*s :wink:

You still understood what I meant right?

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
moax wrote:

FAT stands for fully automatic timing not first action timing

Thanks for correcting my french-speaking a*s :wink:

You still understood what I meant right? [/quote]

Hey CT,
when are you going to release your explosive training article? cant wait for that.

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[quote]Chris Aus wrote:

20 yard -2.5
30 meter - 3.6ish
60 yard - 6.7

any idea what my 40 would be?

those times are very strange

30metres is over half of 60 yards yet the time is well under half the time… and the second half of the 60 yards is done with a running start requires no reaction time and no acceleration…

in short 30-60 should be a lot faster than 0-30 not a lot slower[/quote]

He ran the 30m in 3.6s, and 55m (60y) in 6.7! In short 30-55m 3.1s… Well guess what, that’s faster than the first half no…?
That’s not MUCH fast for still faster and given the 30m was done FAT, it’s absolutely normal.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To give you an idea, here are the numbers of an athlete I worked with. He competed in 2 Olympics as a bobsleigh breakman (last guy to jump in the sleigh). Most bob athletes are 210-240lbs, but this guy was 170-180 which might be a better comparison for you to shoot for. I worked with him in 2001 and 2002. He competed in the 1996 and 2002 Olympic games.

All the results below are from the official bobsleigh Canada tests.

Bench press max (32" grip, no bench shirt):
1996: 363lbs
2002: 425lbs
Difference: +62lbs

Full back squat (thin olympic lifting belt):
1996: 484lbs
2002: 505lbs
Difference: +21lbs

Bodyweight:
1996: 186lbs
2002: 170lbs
Difference: -16lbs

30m (FAT: First Action Timing/timer starts when athlete starts)
1995: 3.63s.
2002: 3.42s.
Improvement: - 0.21s.

60m (FAT: First Action Timing/timer starts when athlete starts)
1995: 6.56s.
2002: 6.36s.
Improvement: - 0.2s

Bobsleigh push test
1995: 6.09s.
2002: 5.09s. (world record at the time)
Improvement: -1.0s

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Excellentes infos, ces nombres sont impr?ssionnants. J’adorerais faire du bobsleigh. Une chance d’aller aux JO!!! And I’m from Switzerland too! It’s not that popular in the french part of my country.

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[quote]belligerent wrote:
Grey Area wrote:
There’s a guy from my old school who ran 10.22 at age 17, which I think was about the time he started weight training. Not sure if he’s much faster these days or not. He planned on being the first white guy sub 10 seconds, but I’ve not heard anything about him since he left school.

The only white kid to have run 10.22 in recent memory is Craig Pickering. Is that who you’re talking about? He had a bad year in 2006 but just put up a world-leading 60m time a few weeks ago. He needs to lose weight.
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There’s one white guy from Australia that ran a 9.96 in the 100 meter. I can’t remember his name though…

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[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Nah…

This is the world’s fastest man!!![/quote]

I thought Alonso won the world championship?

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[quote]Edders wrote:
Grey Area wrote:
There’s a guy from my old school who ran 10.22 at age 17, which I think was about the time he started weight training. Not sure if he’s much faster these days or not. He planned on being the first white guy sub 10 seconds, but I’ve not heard anything about him since he left school.

I noticed you said one of the first “white guys.” Why do you think that black people seem to hold such dominance in the sprint events?[/quote]

Because they are faster?

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[quote]eic wrote:
Edders wrote:

So, you are stating that black people are born with superior genetics for sprinting?

Yes. The genetic elite black athletes are superior to the genetic elite white athletes in power sports. Look at the dominance of black athletes in football, basketball, and olympic sprinting.

I believe it has to do with limb lengths and tendon attachments. When the leverage afforded by long limbs is combined with long, springy tendons, you have the ideal combination for someone who can bound and jump like there is no tomorrow. Obviously not every black person has these attributes, but they tend to be far more common and extreme among black individuals. Hence the phrase, “White men can’t jump.” (In pure strength pursuits, however, I think the playing field is much more even. For example, in a sport like powerlifting, where an elastic rebound effect is not as significant, I am not surprised that white people are extremely successful in large numbers.)

The above, by the way, should not be confused at all with any assessment of the intelligence of black people. In other words, I don’t think that the statement that black people tend to be superior in power sports should be read as a claim that there is a corresponding decrease in the intellectual accumen of black people. In my mind, they have both. [/quote]

It is a shame this issue cannot be discussed without you feeling you must qualify your opinion lest some fool think you are racist.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
eic wrote:
Edders wrote:

So, you are stating that black people are born with superior genetics for sprinting?

Yes. The genetic elite black athletes are superior to the genetic elite white athletes in power sports. Look at the dominance of black athletes in football, basketball, and olympic sprinting.

I believe it has to do with limb lengths and tendon attachments. When the leverage afforded by long limbs is combined with long, springy tendons, you have the ideal combination for someone who can bound and jump like there is no tomorrow. Obviously not every black person has these attributes, but they tend to be far more common and extreme among black individuals. Hence the phrase, “White men can’t jump.” (In pure strength pursuits, however, I think the playing field is much more even. For example, in a sport like powerlifting, where an elastic rebound effect is not as significant, I am not surprised that white people are extremely successful in large numbers.)

The above, by the way, should not be confused at all with any assessment of the intelligence of black people. In other words, I don’t think that the statement that black people tend to be superior in power sports should be read as a claim that there is a corresponding decrease in the intellectual accumen of black people. In my mind, they have both.

It is a shame this issue cannot be discussed without you feeling you must qualify your opinion lest some fool think you are racist.[/quote]

True, true. It is a shame. I was thinking the same thing.

-Kev

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[quote]eic wrote:
Edders wrote:

So, you are stating that black people are born with superior genetics for sprinting?

Yes. The genetic elite black athletes are superior to the genetic elite white athletes in power sports. Look at the dominance of black athletes in football, basketball, and olympic sprinting.

I believe it has to do with limb lengths and tendon attachments. When the leverage afforded by long limbs is combined with long, springy tendons, you have the ideal combination for someone who can bound and jump like there is no tomorrow. Obviously not every black person has these attributes, but they tend to be far more common and extreme among black individuals. Hence the phrase, “White men can’t jump.” (In pure strength pursuits, however, I think the playing field is much more even. For example, in a sport like powerlifting, where an elastic rebound effect is not as significant, I am not surprised that white people are extremely successful in large numbers.)

The above, by the way, should not be confused at all with any assessment of the intelligence of black people. In other words, I don’t think that the statement that black people tend to be superior in power sports should be read as a claim that there is a corresponding decrease in the intellectual accumen of black people. In my mind, they have both. [/quote]

It’s not that simple. If it is all genetics how do you explain black people don’t dominate in the other explosive track events? Like high jump, triple jumps, all throwing, and other “power” sports, olympic weightlifting, powerlifting, track cycling, speed skating, rugby, hockey, bobsled, etc… There must be a strong social dimension as well.

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[quote]FredB4 wrote:

It’s not that simple. If it is all genetics how do you explain black people don’t dominate in the other explosive track events? Like high jump, triple jumps, all throwing, and other “power” sports, olympic weightlifting, powerlifting, track cycling, speed skating, rugby, hockey, bobsled, etc… There must be a strong social dimension as well.[/quote]

I agree 100%.

To add my own 2 cents, I believe confidence is among the top factors in sports performance, and one reason why a white man hasn’t done well in the 100M & 200M for a while is lack of confidence. If you see being white as a disadvantage, you’ll have a handicap on you before the race even begins. This mental weight does not seem to exist in other track and field events or other power events though, just short sprinting.

Of course there are biological factors to consider (better natural tendon stiffness, skeletal differences, muscle cell distribution, etc.), but I believe many can be overcome by smart training.

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Mental power is a must in any sport.

Anyways, I think it’s an insult to black elite athletes to say they were simply more gifted than the next elite athletes with other skin type. It’s a disrespect to their dedication, work ethic and efforts. We all know what you have to go through to get to that level of performances.

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The race issue has already been beaten to death, here and everywhere else. I’m not saying that the matter has been settled by any means but you guys aren’t going to say anything that hasn’t already been said thousands of times over. “It’s not genetics, it’s all just a matter of confidence!” “No, black have longer legs. It’s been proven!” “Careful! If you believe that blacks are genetically faster, you must also believe that white people can be genetically smarter!” “No no no!!! That’s not what I was implying at all!! I’m not racist!! I have a black friend!!! A BLACK FRIEND DAMMIT!! That’s PROOF that I’m not racist!” so how 'bout we save it for 2008, or at least not contaminate every sprinting related thread with the same mundane shit.

btw, IT IS genetics so get over it

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
It is a shame this issue cannot be discussed without you feeling you must qualify your opinion lest some fool think you are racist.[/quote]

The qualification is the tell-tale indicia that I’ve discussed this subject with others before.

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[quote]belligerent wrote:
The race issue has already been beaten to death, here and everywhere else. I’m not saying that the matter has been settled by any means but you guys aren’t going to say anything that hasn’t already been said thousands of times over. “It’s not genetics, it’s all just a matter of confidence!” “No, black have longer legs. It’s been proven!” “Careful! If you believe that blacks are genetically faster, you must also believe that white people can be genetically smarter!” “No no no!!! That’s not what I was implying at all!! I’m not racist!! I have a black friend!!! A BLACK FRIEND DAMMIT!! That’s PROOF that I’m not racist!” so how 'bout we save it for 2008, or at least not contaminate every sprinting related thread with the same mundane shit.

btw, IT IS genetics so get over it

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Blacks are genetically faster?

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Just for fun. Here is Canada Bob’s strength and speed requirements and records.

30m Sprint 3.80-4.00sec 3.59 - Pascal Caron
60m Sprint 6.80-7.00sec 6.46 - Donovan Bailey
20m resistance pull (15kg) 2.60-2.80sec 2.34 - Guilio Zardo
Bench Press 1RM 130kg-150kg 180kg - Steve Wiseman
Power Clean 1RM 100kg-120kg 170kg - Steve Wiseman
Front Squat 1RM 120kg-140kg 210kg - Steve Wiseman

Also, with regards to sprint testing. Your time begins when you break the beam. You can stand about a half step back from the line so it is a bit of a flying start.