Fastest Man in the World

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[quote]RJ24 wrote:
FredB4 wrote:

It’s not that simple. If it is all genetics how do you explain black people don’t dominate in the other explosive track events? Like high jump, triple jumps, all throwing, and other “power” sports, olympic weightlifting, powerlifting, track cycling, speed skating, rugby, hockey, bobsled, etc… There must be a strong social dimension as well.

I agree 100%.

To add my own 2 cents, I believe confidence is among the top factors in sports performance, and one reason why a white man hasn’t done well in the 100M & 200M for a while is lack of confidence. If you see being white as a disadvantage, you’ll have a handicap on you before the race even begins. This mental weight does not seem to exist in other track and field events or other power events though, just short sprinting.

Of course there are biological factors to consider (better natural tendon stiffness, skeletal differences, muscle cell distribution, etc.), but I believe many can be overcome by smart training. [/quote]

But where did the idea that being white is a disadvantage come from? I mean, it didn’t come out of thin air, did it? I argue that it is born out of the realization that black athletes tend to have the right physical characteristics to excel.

Smart training can’t be the answer. Are you suggesting that there are no white olympic sprinters that train smart? That would the only way to explain the absence of white sprinters from the world records. I think both black athletes and white athletes train smart, especially at the level of international competition. But if two atheletes are training equally as smart and as hard, but one has a genetic advantage, the one with the genetic advantage is going to win.

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[quote]scotty144 wrote:
Just for fun. Here is Canada Bob’s strength and speed requirements and records.

30m Sprint 3.80-4.00sec 3.59 - Pascal Caron
60m Sprint 6.80-7.00sec 6.46 - Donovan Bailey
20m resistance pull (15kg) 2.60-2.80sec 2.34 - Guilio Zardo
Bench Press 1RM 130kg-150kg 180kg - Steve Wiseman
Power Clean 1RM 100kg-120kg 170kg - Steve Wiseman
Front Squat 1RM 120kg-140kg 210kg - Steve Wiseman

Also, with regards to sprint testing. Your time begins when you break the beam. You can stand about a half step back from the line so it is a bit of a flying start.
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Wiseman has done a lot more than that in powerlifting competition (350kg squat, 250kg bench, 330kg deadlift).

When you’re an established member of the team, often you don’t have to do the test (some fear injuries).

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[quote]FredB4 wrote:
Mental power is a must in any sport.

Anyways, I think it’s an insult to black elite athletes to say they were simply more gifted than the next elite athletes with other skin type. It’s a disrespect to their dedication, work ethic and efforts. We all know what you have to go through to get to that level of performances.[/quote]

Although you know I have tons of respect for you, Fred, I must disagree that it is disrespectful to point out the genetic advantage of elite black athletes relative to their white counterparts. See my response to RJ immediately before this post. I think that all athletes at high levels of competition work hard. I don’t, for example, think that the genetic advantage that blacks have is enough to account for a deficit in training relative to white athlete.

So, if a white olympic sprinter trained his balls off and a black olympic sprinter largely went through the motions thinking he could rely on his genetics, I think the white dude would smoke the black dude. But again, that is not what happens in the olympics or in professional sports for 99.9% of the athletes. Instead, you have black guys and white guys BOTH training their balls off with the most advanced protocols, yet the black guys as a group tend to consistently out perform the whites. It is no insult to say that the combination of hard work AND genetics yields great results.

As for a social aspect, I’m not sure. But if there is a social component, which way does it cut? At least here in the U.S., we were skeptical of black athletes in professional sports for decades. So whites and blacks did not start out with an even playing field from a social standpoint; blacks had less access. But despite that lack of access, blacks have now reached the point where they dominate professional football and basketball. Again, if all the athletes are training just as hard, and blacks had less access to professional sports than whites, how is it that black athletes have come to dominate those sports? I argue that it is genetics.

Your point about other sports??for example, high jump, rugby??is a good one. I don’t have the answer about that, but suspect that maybe it is because blacks in general are somehow not interested in those sports. Maybe this is the social issue you talked about? I don’t know.

In sum, I think you face an uphill battle if you deny the natural tendency for black athletes to excel in certain athletic endeavours.

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[quote]scotty144 wrote:
Just for fun. Here is Canada Bob’s strength and speed requirements and records.

30m Sprint 3.80-4.00sec 3.59 - Pascal Caron
60m Sprint 6.80-7.00sec 6.46 - Donovan Bailey
20m resistance pull (15kg) 2.60-2.80sec 2.34 - Guilio Zardo
Bench Press 1RM 130kg-150kg 180kg - Steve Wiseman
Power Clean 1RM 100kg-120kg 170kg - Steve Wiseman
Front Squat 1RM 120kg-140kg 210kg - Steve Wiseman

Also, with regards to sprint testing. Your time begins when you break the beam. You can stand about a half step back from the line so it is a bit of a flying start.
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Yea i read about that over on elitetrack. Any idea why they do it differently?

From Mike at elitetrack:
“To put this in to perspective, Pascal DID NOT run nearly as fast as Mo Greene. In the Winter sliding sports they time athletes with the timing gate set up 1m in front of the athlete’s starting position and as a result reaction time is not accounted for and the athlete essentially gets a 1m ‘fly’ zone in which to accelerate. This may seem like nothing but that 1m is the slowest 1m of the entire race.”

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[quote]eic wrote:
As for a social aspect, I’m not sure. But if there is a social component, which way does it cut? At least here in the U.S., we were skeptical of black athletes in professional sports for decades. So whites and blacks did not start out with an even playing field from a social standpoint; blacks had less access. But despite that lack of access, blacks have now reached the point where they dominate professional football and basketball. Again, if all the athletes are training just as hard, and blacks had less access to professional sports than whites, how is it that black athletes have come to dominate those sports? I argue that it is genetics.

Your point about other sports??for example, high jump, rugby??is a good one. I don’t have the answer about that, but suspect that maybe it is because blacks in general are somehow not interested in those sports. Maybe this is the social issue you talked about? I don’t know.

In sum, I think you face an uphill battle if you deny the natural tendency for black athletes to excel in certain athletic endeavours. [/quote]

Ok well I could say white people are more interested to hockey, soccer or tennis than basketball or football then, same bad defense… let’s take the most explosive sport ever, one where all the components you stated are vital, the triple jump… Well guess what, the world record holder is english and the current world and olympic champ is swedish… And don’t tell there aren’t black athlete competing.

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The Australian you might be thinking of is Matt Shirvington, who had probably the most potential as a white man to run under 10 seconds in recent years, but never did. He had run a 10.03, 10.07, 10.09. His personal best was back in 98. His personal best in the last 3 years is a 10.26, I don’t even know if he competes anymore.

No white man has ever run a legit time under 10 seconds in the hundred meter. The fastest ever would be a 10 second flat which was actually slightly under 10 seconds but got rounded up due to rules, by Marian Woronin.

I truly beleive you will see numerous white athletes run under 10 seconds in the next 5 years. Here’s some current white guys that could have a crack at it in the next few seasons if things go right.

Russia - Andrey Yepishin - Born 1981 - 10.1 PB Ran Last Season
Canada - Nicolas Macrozonaris - Born 1980 - 10.03 PB Ran in 2003 - He also ran a wind aided 9.91 in 2002
Britain - Craig Pickering - Born 1986 - 10.22 PB Ran Last Season
Poland - Dariusz KUĆ - Born 1986 - 10.17 PB Ran Last Season

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Check out disney movie “cool runnings”, its losely based on a true event about jamaican sprinters turn into bobsledders after failing to qualify for the 100 meter finals.

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[quote]digitalairair wrote:
Check out disney movie “cool runnings”, its losely based on a true event about jamaican sprinters turn into bobsledders after failing to qualify for the 100 meter finals.[/quote]

i loved that movie as a kid.
“Jamaica we have a bobsled team!”

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[quote]MikeSh wrote:

From Mike at elitetrack:
“To put this in to perspective, Pascal DID NOT run nearly as fast as Mo Greene. In the Winter sliding sports they time athletes with the timing gate set up 1m in front of the athlete’s starting position and as a result reaction time is not accounted for and the athlete essentially gets a 1m ‘fly’ zone in which to accelerate. This may seem like nothing but that 1m is the slowest 1m of the entire race.”
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I’ve never said that Pascal was faster than Maurice myself. The fastest I’ve seen him run a 60m in an official track meet was something like 6.6.

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[quote]T.J. wrote:

Russia - Andrey Yepishin - Born 1981 - 10.1 PB Ran Last Season
Canada - Nicolas Macrozonaris - Born 1980 - 10.03 PB Ran in 2003 - He also ran a wind aided 9.91 in 2002
Britain - Craig Pickering - Born 1986 - 10.22 PB Ran Last Season
Poland - Dariusz KUĆ - Born 1986 - 10.17 PB Ran Last Season
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Macro has never even remotely approached his PB in the past 3 years though.

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a lucky egg is essential among bobsledders to achieve higher lifts

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[quote]FredB4 wrote:
Ok well I could say white people are more interested to hockey, soccer or tennis than basketball or football then, same bad defense… let’s take the most explosive sport ever, one where all the components you stated are vital, the triple jump… Well guess what, the world record holder is english and the current world and olympic champ is swedish… And don’t tell there aren’t black athlete competing.[/quote]

Again, I don’t know how to explain the triple jump. I would say, however, that I doubt that white dudes are simply blowing black dudes out of the water when it comes to that event. White guys might be holding the olympic and world records right now, but I imagine that black athletes can’t be far behind.

On the other hand, black athletes dominate pro football and basketball in America. It surely is not a lack of interest by whites, either. The lower you go in football, for example, the more even the composition between white and black athletes. So in high school football, it might be that, hypothetically speaking, there are 500 white players and 500 black players in all of the country. But at the Division I college level, where not as many athletes can play as in high school, there are many more black athletes than white. This disparity increases in the NFL. Look, for example, at the top ten draft picks from 2006 and the projected top ten picks in 2007 (this April). In both cases, 8 of the 10 were/are black players; only 2 were white. The situation is similar if not more exaggerated in the NBA.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/rankings.html

Again, I cannot explain the triple jump situation, but a look at football, basketball, and track leads me to believe that there is something going on besides smart training or taste.

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[quote]FredB4 wrote:
Chris Aus wrote:

20 yard -2.5
30 meter - 3.6ish
60 yard - 6.7

any idea what my 40 would be?

those times are very strange

30metres is over half of 60 yards yet the time is well under half the time… and the second half of the 60 yards is done with a running start requires no reaction time and no acceleration…

in short 30-60 should be a lot faster than 0-30 not a lot slower

He ran the 30m in 3.6s, and 55m (60y) in 6.7! In short 30-55m 3.1s… Well guess what, that’s faster than the first half no…?
That’s not MUCH fast for still faster and given the 30m was done FAT, it’s absolutely normal.[/quote]

No, it isn’t. 6.7 in the 55 isn’t great, especially if it isn’t FAT. If it was fat, that comes out to like 11.3-11.4 100m with a normal finish. 1st 30m in 3.6 and 2nd 25 in 3.1 does not add up… at all…

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eic,

In my post I did not say there wasn’t a genetic advantage in blacks’ favor. They indeed are more likely to have the traits necessary for power sports. Blacks, as a race, have longer legs and shorter torsos, narrower hips, longer tendons, more muscle cells in the posterior chain, and a greater incidence of fast twitch fiber when compared to all other demographics. So, as a broad sweeping statement, one can say blacks are faster than whites.

However, at the far reaches of the bell curve on which professional athletes reside, the norms of the populations hardly apply. Due to their natural traits, blacks are more likely to turn out as freakish power athletes, but whites can have the same characteristics, even if these white athletes aren’t as common.

To list an example. At 18, my dad ran a 10.40 FAT second 100M at 5’11" and around 220 lbs. My dad is a mixture of french, german, and 1/8 cherokee indian; very far from black. And he did this doing little else besides intensive tempo. So, freakish specimens can exist from either race, and that’s what shows up in professional athletics.

As for basketball players being predominantly black, I really don’t consider basketball players, as a whole, as all that freaky, even at the professional levels. Sure, every once in a while a LeBron, or an Antonio McDyess comes along, but most of them are not that fast our powerful compared with the professionals in other sports.

Okay, after all that rambling, here’s the summary.

  1. As a race, blacks are faster.
  2. There’s no reason a white man (singular) can’t be just as fast.
  3. Ability is specific to the individual.
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Just wanted to add a Tongan sprinter in there. He could only run a 100m in 10.89 seconds, but he was over 260lbs =)

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[quote]eic wrote:
FredB4 wrote:
Ok well I could say white people are more interested to hockey, soccer or tennis than basketball or football then, same bad defense… let’s take the most explosive sport ever, one where all the components you stated are vital, the triple jump… Well guess what, the world record holder is english and the current world and olympic champ is swedish… And don’t tell there aren’t black athlete competing.

Again, I don’t know how to explain the triple jump. I would say, however, that I doubt that white dudes are simply blowing black dudes out of the water when it comes to that event. White guys might be holding the olympic and world records right now, but I imagine that black athletes can’t be far behind.

On the other hand, black athletes dominate pro football and basketball in America. It surely is not a lack of interest by whites, either. The lower you go in football, for example, the more even the composition between white and black athletes. So in high school football, it might be that, hypothetically speaking, there are 500 white players and 500 black players in all of the country. But at the Division I college level, where not as many athletes can play as in high school, there are many more black athletes than white. This disparity increases in the NFL. Look, for example, at the top ten draft picks from 2006 and the projected top ten picks in 2007 (this April). In both cases, 8 of the 10 were/are black players; only 2 were white. The situation is similar if not more exaggerated in the NBA.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/rankings.html

Again, I cannot explain the triple jump situation, but a look at football, basketball, and track leads me to believe that there is something going on besides smart training or taste. [/quote]

very good points…

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no white man has broken 10seconds yet, the closest is 10flat.

[quote]Limo Driver wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Grey Area wrote:
There’s a guy from my old school who ran 10.22 at age 17, which I think was about the time he started weight training. Not sure if he’s much faster these days or not. He planned on being the first white guy sub 10 seconds, but I’ve not heard anything about him since he left school.

The only white kid to have run 10.22 in recent memory is Craig Pickering. Is that who you’re talking about? He had a bad year in 2006 but just put up a world-leading 60m time a few weeks ago. He needs to lose weight.

There’s one white guy from Australia that ran a 9.96 in the 100 meter. I can’t remember his name though…[/quote]

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
T.J. wrote:

Russia - Andrey Yepishin - Born 1981 - 10.1 PB Ran Last Season
Canada - Nicolas Macrozonaris - Born 1980 - 10.03 PB Ran in 2003 - He also ran a wind aided 9.91 in 2002
Britain - Craig Pickering - Born 1986 - 10.22 PB Ran Last Season
Poland - Dariusz KUĆ - Born 1986 - 10.17 PB Ran Last Season

Macro has never even remotely approached his PB in the past 3 years though.[/quote]

Good call. But he was injured in 2004 or 2005, can’t remember. He ran a 6.62 60m this season so far. Nothing stellar considering he’ll probably need to run 6.5 or under to run under 10 seconds. I feel a healthy macro has a very good chance to break 10 probably by next season, I don’t see it this season.

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Macro will never beak 10.

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[quote]Sea wrote:
no white man has broken 10seconds yet, the closest is 10flat.

Limo Driver wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Grey Area wrote:
There’s a guy from my old school who ran 10.22 at age 17, which I think was about the time he started weight training. Not sure if he’s much faster these days or not. He planned on being the first white guy sub 10 seconds, but I’ve not heard anything about him since he left school.

The only white kid to have run 10.22 in recent memory is Craig Pickering. Is that who you’re talking about? He had a bad year in 2006 but just put up a world-leading 60m time a few weeks ago. He needs to lose weight.

There’s one white guy from Australia that ran a 9.96 in the 100 meter. I can’t remember his name though…

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Marian Woronin