[quote]shizen wrote:
Ever thought of football? Those quick sprints would make you a remarkable competitor.[/quote]
yea i’ve thought about it,
do you know anything about arena football tryouts?
[quote]Grey Area wrote:
There’s a guy from my old school who ran 10.22 at age 17, which I think was about the time he started weight training. Not sure if he’s much faster these days or not. He planned on being the first white guy sub 10 seconds, but I’ve not heard anything about him since he left school. [/quote]
I noticed you said one of the first “white guys.” Why do you think that black people seem to hold such dominance in the sprint events?
Nah…
This is the world’s fastest man!!!
[quote]Edders wrote:
Grey Area wrote:
There’s a guy from my old school who ran 10.22 at age 17, which I think was about the time he started weight training. Not sure if he’s much faster these days or not. He planned on being the first white guy sub 10 seconds, but I’ve not heard anything about him since he left school.
I noticed you said one of the first “white guys.” Why do you think that black people seem to hold such dominance in the sprint events?[/quote]
Posterior chain muscle attachments.
In bobsleigh tests they test using a FAT start (first movement timing). No gun. They use an electronic timer though.
At leasts that’s how the Canadian national team tests their athletes (plus the power clean, bench press, front squat, 60m and triple jump).
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
I have a question,
when they measure the 30m in bobsled tests is it done off the first movement or the gun?
My was timed from the first movement,
my friend actually had me timed at me 3.5ish in 3 different occasions but it just seems way too fast.
But i read an article on here and it briefly talked about this bobsledding that runs the 30m in 3.5s, squats 500 and jumps 38 or something.
MikeSh wrote:
digitalairair wrote:
MikeSh wrote:
i enjoyed that alot. have any others like it?
I like this series
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=trackdotfield
btw, are you thinking about sprinting at
all? have you ever been timed in any of the races?
yea im thinkin bout running track
i usually do really short sprints,
usually have a friend time my reps
20 yard -2.5
30 meter - 3.6ish
60 yard - 6.7
any idea what my 40 would be?
well generally you add .24 seconds for hand timed vs electronic. Just to give you an idea… ben john johnson ran 30 meters in 3.8 when he ran a 9.79. Congrats, you are the fastest man in the world!!!
All joking aside, your speed on all your lifts and vertical are awesome, so im not surprised your sprinting speed is great… Are you still doing any type of plyos or sprinting regularly, or are you just lifting these days?
ive been using oly lifting 3-4 times per week and plyos twice a week for the past month and am seeing great results.
[/quote]
[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Edders wrote:
Grey Area wrote:
There’s a guy from my old school who ran 10.22 at age 17, which I think was about the time he started weight training. Not sure if he’s much faster these days or not. He planned on being the first white guy sub 10 seconds, but I’ve not heard anything about him since he left school.
I noticed you said one of the first “white guys.” Why do you think that black people seem to hold such dominance in the sprint events?
Posterior chain muscle attachments.[/quote]
So, you are stating that black people are born with superior genetics for sprinting?
To give you an idea, here are the numbers of an athlete I worked with. He competed in 2 Olympics as a bobsleigh breakman (last guy to jump in the sleigh). Most bob athletes are 210-240lbs, but this guy was 170-180 which might be a better comparison for you to shoot for. I worked with him in 2001 and 2002. He competed in the 1996 and 2002 Olympic games.
All the results below are from the official bobsleigh Canada tests.
Bench press max (32" grip, no bench shirt):
1996: 363lbs
2002: 425lbs
Difference: +62lbs
Full back squat (thin olympic lifting belt):
1996: 484lbs
2002: 505lbs
Difference: +21lbs
Bodyweight:
1996: 186lbs
2002: 170lbs
Difference: -16lbs
30m (FAT: First Action Timing/timer starts when athlete starts)
1995: 3.63s.
2002: 3.42s.
Improvement: - 0.21s.
60m (FAT: First Action Timing/timer starts when athlete starts)
1995: 6.56s.
2002: 6.36s.
Improvement: - 0.2s
Bobsleigh push test
1995: 6.09s.
2002: 5.09s. (world record at the time)
Improvement: -1.0s
[quote]Edders wrote:
So, you are stating that black people are born with superior genetics for sprinting?
[/quote]
Yes. The genetic elite black athletes are superior to the genetic elite white athletes in power sports. Look at the dominance of black athletes in football, basketball, and olympic sprinting.
I believe it has to do with limb lengths and tendon attachments. When the leverage afforded by long limbs is combined with long, springy tendons, you have the ideal combination for someone who can bound and jump like there is no tomorrow. Obviously not every black person has these attributes, but they tend to be far more common and extreme among black individuals. Hence the phrase, “White men can’t jump.” (In pure strength pursuits, however, I think the playing field is much more even. For example, in a sport like powerlifting, where an elastic rebound effect is not as significant, I am not surprised that white people are extremely successful in large numbers.)
The above, by the way, should not be confused at all with any assessment of the intelligence of black people. In other words, I don’t think that the statement that black people tend to be superior in power sports should be read as a claim that there is a corresponding decrease in the intellectual accumen of black people. In my mind, they have both.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To give you an idea, here are the numbers of an athlete I worked with. He competed in 2 Olympics as a bobsleigh breakman (last guy to jump in the sleigh). Most bob athletes are 210-240lbs, but this guy was 170-180 which might be a better comparison for you to shoot for. I worked with him in 2001 and 2002. He competed in the 1996 and 2002 Olympic games.
All the results below are from the official bobsleigh Canada tests.
Bench press max (32" grip, no bench shirt):
1996: 363lbs
2002: 425lbs
Difference: +62lbs
Full back squat (thin olympic lifting belt):
1996: 484lbs
2002: 505lbs
Difference: +21lbs
Bodyweight:
1996: 186lbs
2002: 170lbs
Difference: -16lbs
30m (FAT: First Action Timing/timer starts when athlete starts)
1995: 3.63s.
2002: 3.42s.
Improvement: - 0.21s.
60m (FAT: First Action Timing/timer starts when athlete starts)
1995: 6.56s.
2002: 6.36s.
Improvement: - 0.2s
Bobsleigh push test
1995: 6.09s.
2002: 5.09s. (world record at the time)
Improvement: -1.0s
[/quote]
wow - arent those world record 60m time and 30m time by alot?? He also cant be far from a raw wr in the bench press - improvements in all the lifts while losing 16lbs…
Its a bird, its a plane, its BOBSLED MAN!!
[quote]MikeSh wrote:
wow - arent those world record 60m time and 30m time by alot?? He also cant be far from a raw wr in the bench press - improvements in all the lifts while losing 16lbs…
Its a bird, its a plane, its BOBSLED MAN!![/quote]
The 60m time would actualy be close to the world record. But understand that a FAT start normally tests at something like 0.24 second lower than a regular competition “to the gun” start due to the absence of reaction time.
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
MikeSh wrote:
i enjoyed that alot. have any others like it?
I like this series
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=trackdotfield
btw, are you thinking about sprinting at
all? have you ever been timed in any of the races?
yea im thinkin bout running track
i usually do really short sprints,
usually have a friend time my reps
20 yard -2.5
30 meter - 3.6ish
60 yard - 6.7
any idea what my 40 would be?
[/quote]
As others have mentioned, your 30 time seems really fast compared to your other marks.
Your 20 is fast, your 60 time is decent, but not fast. For baseball players, a guy that runs 6.4 or lower is really fast. 6.7 is on the bottom end of what scouts would consider fast, or on the top end of what they’d consider “good” speed.
Figuring out your 40 is hard to predict, but my guys that run under a 2.75 20yd and under a 6.7 60yd will generally run under a 4.6 40yd.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
MikeSh wrote:
wow - arent those world record 60m time and 30m time by alot?? He also cant be far from a raw wr in the bench press - improvements in all the lifts while losing 16lbs…
Its a bird, its a plane, its BOBSLED MAN!!
The 60m time would actualy be close to the world record. But understand that a FAT start normally tests at something like 0.24 second lower than a regular competition “to the gun” start due to the absence of reaction time.[/quote]
if its not secret, could you say who this guy is and why he stopped competing?
Also, how old was he in 96 and what type of training background did he have?
My “guess” without speaking for Thib would be Pascal Caron (sp?). I only say that because he has mentioned him numerous times in both articles and his TAMSPM book. If you get that book, which you should, you can see an example of the CAD system that was, again going off the top of my head here, used by Pascal in his training. Again, I could be wrong.
Cheers,
Pat
[quote]MikeSh wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
MikeSh wrote:
wow - arent those world record 60m time and 30m time by alot?? He also cant be far from a raw wr in the bench press - improvements in all the lifts while losing 16lbs…
Its a bird, its a plane, its BOBSLED MAN!!
The 60m time would actualy be close to the world record. But understand that a FAT start normally tests at something like 0.24 second lower than a regular competition “to the gun” start due to the absence of reaction time.
if its not secret, could you say who this guy is and why he stopped competing?
Also, how old was he in 96 and what type of training background did he have?
[/quote]
[quote]eic wrote:
Edders wrote:
So, you are stating that black people are born with superior genetics for sprinting?
Yes. The genetic elite black athletes are superior to the genetic elite white athletes in power sports. Look at the dominance of black athletes in football, basketball, and olympic sprinting.
I believe it has to do with limb lengths and tendon attachments. When the leverage afforded by long limbs is combined with long, springy tendons, you have the ideal combination for someone who can bound and jump like there is no tomorrow. Obviously not every black person has these attributes, but they tend to be far more common and extreme among black individuals. Hence the phrase, “White men can’t jump.” (In pure strength pursuits, however, I think the playing field is much more even. For example, in a sport like powerlifting, where an elastic rebound effect is not as significant, I am not surprised that white people are extremely successful in large numbers.)
The above, by the way, should not be confused at all with any assessment of the intelligence of black people. In other words, I don’t think that the statement that black people tend to be superior in power sports should be read as a claim that there is a corresponding decrease in the intellectual accumen of black people. In my mind, they have both. [/quote]
I think I understand what you’re saying. While black people have some significant differences (from white people) physically, you don’t think there is any difference what so ever intellectually.
Amazing stats,
how old is this athlete at 2002?
Whats the key attribute of him improving his times? His squat went up by only 20 pounds ( i understand that he is definitely already strong enough in 1998 to have run those times), but his times went up by .2 seconds in both sprints. Did he put a lot of emphasis and work on techniques?
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
To give you an idea, here are the numbers of an athlete I worked with. He competed in 2 Olympics as a bobsleigh breakman (last guy to jump in the sleigh). Most bob athletes are 210-240lbs, but this guy was 170-180 which might be a better comparison for you to shoot for. I worked with him in 2001 and 2002. He competed in the 1996 and 2002 Olympic games.
All the results below are from the official bobsleigh Canada tests.
Bench press max (32" grip, no bench shirt):
1996: 363lbs
2002: 425lbs
Difference: +62lbs
Full back squat (thin olympic lifting belt):
1996: 484lbs
2002: 505lbs
Difference: +21lbs
Bodyweight:
1996: 186lbs
2002: 170lbs
Difference: -16lbs
30m (FAT: First Action Timing/timer starts when athlete starts)
1995: 3.63s.
2002: 3.42s.
Improvement: - 0.21s.
60m (FAT: First Action Timing/timer starts when athlete starts)
1995: 6.56s.
2002: 6.36s.
Improvement: - 0.2s
Bobsleigh push test
1995: 6.09s.
2002: 5.09s. (world record at the time)
Improvement: -1.0s
[/quote]
yea i need to work a lot on technique top speed and speed endurance obviously. A lot of people are fast out of the gate with just pure strength/power to bodyweight ratio but past that techniques and top speed takes over. I’ve never sprinted more than 30 meters since gym class in high school before that!
[quote]Dominator wrote:
digitalairair wrote:
MikeSh wrote:
i enjoyed that alot. have any others like it?
I like this series
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=trackdotfield
btw, are you thinking about sprinting at
all? have you ever been timed in any of the races?
yea im thinkin bout running track
i usually do really short sprints,
usually have a friend time my reps
20 yard -2.5
30 meter - 3.6ish
60 yard - 6.7
any idea what my 40 would be?
As others have mentioned, your 30 time seems really fast compared to your other marks.
Your 20 is fast, your 60 time is decent, but not fast. For baseball players, a guy that runs 6.4 or lower is really fast. 6.7 is on the bottom end of what scouts would consider fast, or on the top end of what they’d consider “good” speed.
Figuring out your 40 is hard to predict, but my guys that run under a 2.75 20yd and under a 6.7 60yd will generally run under a 4.6 40yd.[/quote]
I didn’t realize bobsledders were such good athletes!
[quote]Tags wrote:
My “guess” without speaking for Thib would be Pascal Caron (sp?). I only say that because he has mentioned him numerous times in both articles and his TAMSPM book. If you get that book, which you should, you can see an example of the CAD system that was, again going off the top of my head here, used by Pascal in his training. Again, I could be wrong.
Cheers,
Pat
[/quote]
Hey good call, that makes sense. I read about him for a few minutes and here’s what i found.
He was born in 1972, which means he was 24 in 96 30 in 2002. As you mentioned he used the canadian ascending descending method, which apparently just makes everyone who uses it a beast!
Oh, and he also tested positive for steroids, but improved his numbers even while clean.
CT, if you’re still reading this do you have any advice on parameters for using CAD such as strength levels, etc?
[quote]MikeSh wrote:
if its not secret, could you say who this guy is and why he stopped competing?
Also, how old was he in 96 and what type of training background did he have?
[/quote]
After the 1996 games he tested positive for stanozolol. As I mentionned I wasn’t working with him at the time.
He was suspended for 4 years so he had to wait for 2002 to come back to competition but because of his positive test he wasn’t able to receive any “carding” (22 -25k per year from government fundings) and had to work. In 2002 he actually prepared while also working 40 hours a week.
He was something like 32-33 years old in 2002. He tried to start a career in track but never was able to train enough (because of his job) to make his mark so he just stopped training.
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
Amazing stats,
how old is this athlete at 2002?
Whats the key attribute of him improving his times? His squat went up by only 20 pounds ( i understand that he is definitely already strong enough in 1998 to have run those times), but his times went up by .2 seconds in both sprints. Did he put a lot of emphasis and work on techniques?
[/quote]
His squat went up only by 20lbs but his bodyweight was 20lbs lighter too. More powerful engine + lighter car = more speed!
But speed-strength and strengh-speed was emphasized WAY more than strength, since he already had the strength base needed to do well.