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[quote]twistedsteel wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
There may be a few still around that check in but just don’t post anymore.

But you don’t know until they decide to get online and check out the forums. I doubt we’ll see Patricia, Goldberg and several of the others again, but I think there are a few more of them out there and plenty more that have been around since 2003 or earlier.

By no means a vet, but I’ve been around for a bit. ( This is my second username ). This place isn’t the same. I used to not let a day go by without reading the forums. I think this is the first time I’ve read them in two months. There’s just too much garbage to wade through. Now I just log on to buy my stuff, read a couple of articles, and don’t even bother with the forums, and I bet I’m not alone.

I’m looking forward to Alpha. Hopefully it will be the condensed, solid knowledge that I used to love.[/quote]

You’re not alone at all. What you said pretty much describes me as well.

I’m not a forum vet either but I have been reading Testosterone since it started when it was a weekly magazine and didn’t have forums. I was a huge Muscle Media 2K fan and followed the crew here when they started this place.

I remember when Patrick Arnold and Brock Strasser, (Strasseroids anyone?) and some of the other authors (Nelson Montana, Ron Harris, John Koenig) and classic columns like Reader Mail and Gang of Five were around.

Once the forums started, I was a hardcore lurker and found some of the best training information to ever grace an internet lifting forum. I have to admit though that I was intimidated by the true veteran lifters that had multiple years of real experience in the trenches.

Unfortunately for me, by the time I actually felt that I had something to offer the site was re-designed and the forums went to shit.

I did start posting a little in some of the other forums but it did not take me long to realize that the days of being able to actually discuss training were gone so I moved on to other boards when it came to talking about actual lifting.

Thus, I went back to focusing on the articles and avoiding the forums here altogether. This is only my 2nd post in a year or so.

I guess my point is that I am glad to see the T-Cell Alpha. I think it will be a great addition to the site and is a good first step to getting Testosterone back to its glory days if being Dangerously Hardcore. It will be great for people to be able to share real training information with each other again without all of the stupid bullshit.

I know I am going to start paying a little more attention to the forums again and possibly start posting. And to think that just last year, I was one of the ones in support of moving the forums offsite.

One last thing, congrats to the vets that helped make this happen. I have been trying to catch up on what had been going on and you guys really stuck it out and put up with alot when most people, myself included, simply left.

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I also support the asshole forum. It’d be nice to be able to shamelessly rip into people and be a jerk in an appropriate context. I’m wanting to do this to bout half the posts I see, but I hold my tongue because it wouldn’t be appropriate, but in a forum just for flaming…

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I would like to see t-cells based on locale so that maybe some training and comps could be done with the T-Cell being an unofficial team of sorts. My suggestion falls along those lines and is:

T-Cell New England - Active Competitors

As you can guess it is only for active competitors in the region be it power, oly. or of course building. I think it would even prove useful to Biotest in that you would have a fraternity of supplement users who actively compete sharing feedback on supp. stacks, cycle info, training regimens, dietary data etc, and it all flows back uphill to Biotest as useful end user experiential data. Just my $0.02

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I think that throwing all of these new ideas into the mix at once is going to screw up the beauty of how this website works. Hell I just looked at the homepage and it looks like a cross between bodybuilding.com and one of those porno sites that i frequent so much.

That being said, I would love to see a “Lift Heavy Shit” T-Cell, or simply “LHS”.

It could be dedicated to us crazy assholes whos favorite ways to lift include picking heavy ass shit off the floor in various ways, man vs. iron with nothing but your savage rage and a constant desire to better yourself driving you forward as you chalk up for another grueling double on deadlifts with 90% of your max while looking at the blood running down your shins…then all you can do is laugh at the insanity and beauty of what makes us LHS men who we are…

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[quote]conorh wrote:
I also support the asshole forum. It’d be nice to be able to shamelessly rip into people and be a jerk in an appropriate context. I’m wanting to do this to bout half the posts I see, but I hold my tongue because it wouldn’t be appropriate, but in a forum just for flaming…[/quote]

We could call it the Flaming Forum…

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[quote]Otep wrote:
conorh wrote:
I also support the asshole forum. It’d be nice to be able to shamelessly rip into people and be a jerk in an appropriate context. I’m wanting to do this to bout half the posts I see, but I hold my tongue because it wouldn’t be appropriate, but in a forum just for flaming…

We could call it the Flaming Forum…[/quote]

Too easy.

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[quote]Hunt wrote:
I would like to see t-cells based on locale so that maybe some training and comps could be done with the T-Cell being an unofficial team of sorts. My suggestion falls along those lines and is:

T-Cell New England - Active Competitors

As you can guess it is only for active competitors in the region be it power, oly. or of course building. I think it would even prove useful to Biotest in that you would have a fraternity of supplement users who actively compete sharing feedback on supp. stacks, cycle info, training regimens, dietary data etc, and it all flows back uphill to Biotest as useful end user experiential data. Just my $0.02[/quote]

Few posts Hunt but I definitely like your idea. I think a T-Cell Canada for example would be a great idea, since there seems to be alot of canadian members. Or by state, province or even continent, depending on the number. Can’t really go wrong with this idea IMO. A few car forums i visited do this.

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The whole concept of T-cells is just too time consuming in my mind. As far as posting, if I read a thread I think I can contribute something worthwhile to, because I have some personal experience or knowledge about it, I’ll knock something out. If I have to apply for a spot, I won’t spend the time. I’m not around enough to get involved to that level.

I think if a serious thread is started right, it can stay on track. If someone makes an idiot comment, just ignore it. Give the OP the right to delete posts. I would think that would solve the problem of idiots and trolls interjecting where they are not wanted.

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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
Give the OP the right to delete posts. I would think that would solve the problem of idiots and trolls interjecting where they are not wanted. [/quote]

That has too much potential for abuse, no? The ideal solution would have been to crack down harshly on trolls, but then you’d have protest etc. blah blah blah. In the end, the T-Cell idea was the better solution. It allows for topics to stay to the point.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Mr. Chen wrote:
Give the OP the right to delete posts. I would think that would solve the problem of idiots and trolls interjecting where they are not wanted.

That has too much potential for abuse, no? The ideal solution would have been to crack down harshly on trolls, but then you’d have protest etc. blah blah blah. In the end, the T-Cell idea was the better solution. It allows for topics to stay to the point.[/quote]

Yes, I suppose. Maybe give this privilege to the more senior members only, or those that have garnered a certain amount of star ratings. Find some reliable criteria to give this privilege to those who will use it responsibly.

I think finding topics will also be a problem. Should I go to the regular boards? Or will only the morons be posting there after a while. What T-cell shall I go to? Someone discussed injuries in T-Cell Alpha, but I guess that would be injuries only related to hard core body-building. If I messed up my shoulder playing tennis, where do I go?

T-Cells seem like they will end up to be a major restructuring, which I personally won’t take the time on. Giving the (qualified) OP delete privileges wouldn’t be.

I guess I’ll stick with the Over 35 Lifter forum, I haven’t noticed too many clowns coming around there.

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Well… this is a bodybuilding website. Chances are, if you have a tennis injury, this isn’t the place to ask.

You’re lucky with the over 35 forum. Less chance of trolls there. If you look at the ‘bodybuilding’ forum, you’ll notice an influx of morons from god knows where. The T-Cell was inevitable. At the end of the day, Biotest is a business, and they’ll want to help out their older clients.

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From the feedback received on the Surge Workout Fuel, I think it would be interesting to start up a triathlon, marathon and cycling T-Cell.

The Spike Professional Cycling Team would be a cool addition to possibly stop by and add commentary, share workouts, nutrition tips, etc…

Additionally, Bartl would be a fantastic example of a poster who has started his journey in the world of tris.

If you were to visit the other available forums dedicated to running, swimming and cycling, you would find their advice, feedback and commentary on nutrition, weight training and supplementation a joke and extremely archaic.

This could be an excellent alternative that delivers cutting edge information on how to get faster, stronger and ultimately, better.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Well… this is a bodybuilding website. Chances are, if you have a tennis injury, this isn’t the place to ask.[/quote]
Maybe you missed my point. The tennis injury was hypothetical. I’ve weight trained my whole life, but I play tennis too. The point is there’s lots of crossover content,that multiple T-Cells I think are just going to end up making it hard to find. Nutrition is another example. What T-Cell won’t have occasion to discuss that. It would better if it were all kept in one place, like it is now.

I can sympathize with the bodybuilding forum if you’re having trouble. I really hope the problem can be solved. I just think the multiple T-Cell method is going to have some negative aspects that will almost neutralize the positives, IMHO, when you weigh it all out.

I hope this site can keep it’s edge, so I’m just putting in my two cents. Yikes, considering how much I spend here, that’s the wrong metaphor.

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Sorry if this has been mentioned, but I don’t have the time right now to read through all 190 posts.

How about an Events T-Cell where members can post details of events in their areas. Things like Waterbury’s London seminar, T-Nation meet ups, powerlifting meets, etc.

That way, people would know if one of the T crowd was going to be there and could meet face to face or go hell for leather at each other depending on their temperaments.

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Its been said a few times, but I like the location-specific T-cell idea. It would be cool to share events, comps, etc. with other T-people in your area. I don’t see much use for anything more specific than that.

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Geriatric T-Cell.

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Too much crap being blown around on the value of the T cells.
It’s working smooth as silk if you ask me. The topics are interesting and relative to what they should be. There is no problem with trolling and I don’t see any “sneaking in”.

People should quit worrying about it, and let it evolve further. I see only good things coming from it. And if something or someone does get out of hand, I see it being dealt with quickly and painlessly by the proper person(s).

All the negative rhetoric needs to be flushed.

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[quote]Oogie wrote:
From the feedback received on the Surge Workout Fuel, I think it would be interesting to start up a triathlon, marathon and cycling T-Cell.

The Spike Professional Cycling Team would be a cool addition to possibly stop by and add commentary, share workouts, nutrition tips, etc…

Additionally, Bartl would be a fantastic example of a poster who has started his journey in the world of tris.

If you were to visit the other available forums dedicated to running, swimming and cycling, you would find their advice, feedback and commentary on nutrition, weight training and supplementation a joke and extremely archaic.

This could be an excellent alternative that delivers cutting edge information on how to get faster, stronger and ultimately, better. [/quote]

I agree. Endurance sports are lacking attention here. There is no equivalent to T in the world of endurance sports, especially regarding nutrition. Most other sites dedicated to Tri’s and marathoning are dedicated to people who are borderline anorexic.

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Probably because long slow distance endurance athletics focus on the oxygen or aerobic pathway and literally eat type two muscle unless ones nutrition is nearly PERFECT.

The type 1 muscle with its massive amounts of mitochondria are all that survive in most of them. Not taking away from your idea at all, just pointing out the “anorexic” look that is so diametrically opposed to all that is T has a clear cause.

Thats certainly not to imply that there is not an intense amount of interesting discussion to be had on exactly what that “PERFECT nutrition” for endurance athletes that will allow them to maintain a large physique actually is.

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[quote]twistedsteel wrote:
There is no equivalent to T in the world of endurance sports, especially regarding nutrition.[/quote]

I’m surprised too, because they have such an investment in the cycling team and what looks to be an interesting endurance supplement, Surge Workout Fuel.

I’ve read a few times that cycling test subjects GAINED weight when using SWF - that’s unheard of!

It could be an interesting concept - running logs on Surge Workout Fuel, T-Cell competitions and maybe an Endurance Clinic where Spike cyclists and Thibs would work together to whip up a cyclist, triathlete or marathoner.