So I just discovered this exercise, and I did it for the first time today. My back is all sorts of feeling it. Quite a good exercise.
Any idea how the weight used should correlate to DL and Bent Over Barbell Row weight?
I used slightly more than my BO BB Row weight, but significantly less than my Deadlift weight. Finished with a set of 5 at 275.
Enlighten me, if you would, what are dynamic rows?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I suspect it will be a row with a lot of body english. Potentially very risky for the lumbar spine.
Better IMO to use strict form on a row and then do some deadlifts, also with good form, rather than cheat your way through an exercise like this.
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I suspected that myself, but wanted to avoid assuming.
Maybe he’ll anwer the Q (or try to justify bad style? ha ha.)
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I suspect it will be a row with a lot of body english. Potentially very risky for the lumbar spine.
Better IMO to use strict form on a row and then do some deadlifts, also with good form, rather than cheat your way through an exercise like this.
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A little SAT analogy for you:
Dynamic Row is to Barbell Row as Push Press is to Shoulder Press.
It’s just a barbell row with leg drive. No unnecessary pressure on the back/spine. Use the legs to push the ground out from underneath, and then pull to the lower abdomen, like a BB row.
Cheers for the answer, but it sounds like it would be V easy to mess up & hurt your back.
But if your OK with them, its no skin off my nose.
If that’s the case, you must realize that the pushpress is a primarily a leg exercise, not one many would suggest to most bodybuilders looking to stress their delts (unless of course you’re trying to really milk the negatives in some manner though). Still, even if you were to incorporate the ‘dynamic’ row as a leg/power movement, it still sounds unsafe for the lower back.
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Interesting point of views… - I didn’t really see it that way, nor did I feel any pain in my low back. It’s definitely sore today, but it’s that good soreness, akin to the day after muscular pain of a good deadlift session.
I think I’m going to switch it out every other week, and alternate in either BB Rows, or Cable Rows. I already hit my low back pretty hard on leg day, so hitting it on back day too, could eventually cause over use.
Thanks for the input
Bryan
Sounds like a mass builder as long as you do not injure your back.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
If that’s the case, you must realize that the pushpress is a primarily a leg exercise, not one many would suggest to most bodybuilders looking to stress their delts (unless of course you’re trying to really milk the negatives in some manner though). Still, even if you were to incorporate the ‘dynamic’ row as a leg/power movement, it still sounds unsafe for the lower back.
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Hijack. As I recall, CT put the muscle clean & push press up as one of the top exercises for delt mass. I guess it would all depend on how much leg drive you use, though. I do them with a very slight leg drive.
^^ For some reason Heavy-Duty is getting on my nerves. Maybe it’s just because he is new, but his posts just reek of regurgitated information that serves no real purpose.
I’m not a big fan of dynamic rows as a general exercise. I think they have their place if you’re trying to really go to failure.
They may have use in a scenario like this.
Strict Form BB rows with pronated grip to failure (or near failure)
rest 10-30 seconds,
Strict form BB rows with supinated grip to failure, then finish off with some Dynamic Rows. Explode up, control the negative down.
This is something you’d only really want to do if you have faith in your core strength and do not think it’ll hurt your back.
Personally, I’d rather just get two spotters to help me lift and then control the negatives. Dynamic rows are too easy to screw up. Not to mention the fact that most people doing barbell rows are already cheating enough without encouraging it.
With regard to the push press, both sides are right. Done correctly, they are one of the best shoulder exercises. For delts, never do them with more than a 1/8 squat for explosion, and I always the negative for 2-4 seconds.
Everyone already does dynamic rows when they do bentover bb rows. To try and exaggerate it more on purpose is stupid.
[quote]IgneLudo wrote:
Everyone already does dynamic rows when they do bentover bb rows. To try and exaggerate it more on purpose is stupid. [/quote]
That about sums it up in my opinion -lol
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
IgneLudo wrote:
Everyone already does dynamic rows when they do bentover bb rows. To try and exaggerate it more on purpose is stupid.
That about sums it up in my opinion -lol
S
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Plus, why risk that when you can use “body english” on bent over dumbbell rows over a bench with way less risk of getting hurt?
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
IgneLudo wrote:
Everyone already does dynamic rows when they do bentover bb rows. To try and exaggerate it more on purpose is stupid.
That about sums it up in my opinion -lol
S
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Plus, why risk that when you can use “body english” on bent over dumbbell rows over a bench with way less risk of getting hurt?[/quote]
I think a DB row when you have your hand and knee on one side up on a bench would be more dangerous if you used body english than a bit of leg drive in a bent over BB row.
Your much more likely to twist, as well as flex the spine with an uneven base IMO.
Having said that I agree with the sentiment that most people use enough momentum and leg drive on the BB row without encouraging it.
[quote]Doyle wrote:
I think a DB row when you have your hand and knee on one side up on a bench would be more dangerous if you used body english than a bit of leg drive in a bent over BB row.
Your much more likely to twist, as well as flex the spine with an uneven base IMO.
Having said that I agree with the sentiment that most people use enough momentum and leg drive on the BB row without encouraging it.
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The spine isn’t loaded on a bent over dumbbell row nearly as much as it is while doing bent over barbell rows.