The age old ‘philosophers curse’ 
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I was not thinking i am the smart dude i know i am a total noob haha, jim wendler is a highly accomplished Athlete and I know that. I just want to do my own thing for a while thats all. I mean i havent tried 5/3/1 so i don’t know how well it works from personal experience and that is the way i learn the most. So far iv made gains doing what i do and as long as i follow a schedule/regimen or whatever and train hard, add weight to the bar getting stronger and eat a shit tonne of food i will make gains. Once i dont i will switch up my training implementing different rep schemes or exercises etc and when i finally make no gains by myself i will turn to something like 5/3/1 for guidance. I
I dont think you are being rhetorical , sometimes things just come across differently.
Yeah, don’t misunderstand me; I had no interest in convincing you to do 5/3/1. I was only addressing the specific points I had quoted before. Many posters felt the need to explain to me that you are free to train however you want, which is absolutely true and not something I felt otherwise about. I more wanted to connections to get made.
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In the future, if I wanted to ensure that you understood that the question I asked was to be taken at face value and not asked in a rhetorical manner, how could I more effectively communicate it? I noted that many others felt I was being rhetorical, so I imagine the problem is on my end.
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No thanks alot ! I actually appreciate any advice anyone gives because i need to learn many things and anyones input is great!
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I think it was just one of those unavoidable things, i took it as how you were saying it which to me was “why would jim train athletes the wrong way?” But i think other people responded how they did because i was not Putting down 5/3/1 or saying jim trains athletes the wrong way, there are many successful ways to train for me 5/3/1 is just a bit slow in terms of strength gains. What if i want to add 50kg to my squat in a short amount of time? 5/3/1 doesnt really allow that. If i want to add 50kg im not waiting ages and ttaining for ages i will train hard as fuck until i squat that extra 50kgs.
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What leads you to believe that?
To clarify; that is not a rhetorical question. I want to know why you believe that about 5/3/1.
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Bcause looking at other peoplee progress on 5/3/1 who have added ten kilos to there bench in a year. What if i want to add 80 kilos to bench press? Then nothing will stop me , i mean it probably wont work but at least i can bust my ass and give it a go.
As i was saying with the squat example i dont want to add say “10kg in a year” I want to add 50.
@danteism had a client who was new to the squat and made great gains in a really short time frame under danteisms awesome coaching. If it was 5/3/1 he wouldnt have advanced so fast.
5/3/1 Allows you to make great gains at a slow and steady pace and its a marathon not a sprint so this is good. But what if i want to get gains quickly then i will. This is what i am saying.
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Lol again, not taken as rhetorical, or is that sarcasm?
What specifically about 5/3/1 do you feel doesn’t allow you to make rapid gains? What is the mechanism in place that limits rapid growth?
Not sarcasm; just insurance to prevent confusion.
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he added 50 kilos in just ten weeks, and that is awesome!
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Formatting got a little messed up on this one.
That said, you are answering my question with a question, which is to say, not answering it. This is why, once again, I feel a need to clarify that my question is not rhetorical.
My understanding is that your goal is to get bigger and stronger, correct? Or is it specifically to maximize your squat? If it’s the latter, I suggest a powerlifting peaking routine, which will drive you through an intensification phase to a peak through manipulating intensity and volume. You will maximize your current potential, but not increase it. That is to say; you will get better, not stronger.
You are in a stage of base building, from what I am aware, not peaking.
But again, what specifically in 5/3/1 prevents rapid growth, especially in a beginner trainee? A beginner trainee is primed for rapid growth, which SHOULD be realized with a program like 5/3/1.
I believe you may have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the program works, and in turn, how submaximal training works. I feel that an understanding of this early would set you up for success in the future. My fear is that, despite your claim that you don’t feel you are smart about training, you have already drawn a conclusion on a style of training that you have not fully researched.
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My answer is exactly what i said.
No my goal is to get as big and strong in the shortest amount of time possible and then keep getting gains for my whole life.
Explain how 5/3/1 will allow me to add 50 kilos to my squat in ten weeks like danteisms client achieved? Danteisms client wasnt focusing on the squat either. Yet with danteisms coaching and using danteisms programming adding alot of strength in the short term. I havent seen anyone add a tremendous amount of strength using 5/3/1 in a short amount of time, however iv read many logs and articles about people making great long term progress . This is what i am saying.
Im starting to believe 5/3/1 has become a cult. It isnt the best program and i dont have any suggestions for other programs that are better but it is overrated. @danteism has recently just rowed a100 kilo dumbell for six. Because he trains super hard, is super knowledgeable, uses various methods of training and doesnt do slow programs such as 5/3/1. You are asking me why I believe 5/3/1 doesnt allow rapid gains. This is my answer .
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Again; what makes this a slow program? You keep calling it that. What is the mechanism that makes 5/3/1 slow compared to other programs. This is the question I have asked multiple times that you have not actually amswered.
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Even jim himself states that it is slow! How is this not amswering your question. It is slow thats how it is just god damn setup for long term consistent gains. You can add 40 pounds to your bench press in a short amount of time.! Thats utter bullshit that you cant
So someone added a bunch of reps to there weakling bench press, wow incredible .
Yes it produces results, just not quickly .
Actually you know what @T3hPwnisher im going to test my bench press one rep max today or if i cant geto the gym as its raining il do it monday. (I ride my bike to the gym) and in 8 weeks lets see how much i can add. I bet i can add 40 pounds if i train hard enough and eat! In fact im going to bench press whenever I can .jim is right most people do want a program to add 40 pounds. And 5/3/1 isnt going to do that in 8 weeks he said it himself.
Yes, I’m sure you can add 40lb to your bench in a short time if you’re benching under 200lb and have shit form.
Wonder if T3hPwnisher can add 40lb to his bench if he just got off 5/3/1.
In all seriousness, you are seriously misunderstanding what Wendler means when he writes “slow”.
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You know what screw what everyone says im going to get strong as fuck. Nope il do it with good form.
Yes im pretty sure my one rep max will be under that