Good insight.
And it could be worse. I had to bring a whole kit and sleeping bag to fly space-a in the uninsulated cargo planes. Luckily there was floor space and no flight attendants.
Actually, I take it back. Sky camping rocks.
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This is common. Especially among women friend groups. There is encouragement until the previously fat friend starts approaching being the most attractive. It is a social status standing thing.
This is true for men too, but generally with men it is less observable.
I’d say the big advantage is being able to maintain muscle during a cut. One also doesn’t feel as shitty getting to a shredded level of body fat because their Test levels are stable, where a natty will usually have hypogonadal Test levels getting to shredded (I just mean unusually lean here).
IME, and others may differ, but I looked roughly the same after a year or so on TRT. Maybe slightly better. I was expecting to lean up and put on more muscle than I did. However, after that year, I had no excuses. I couldn’t blame my hormones. I decided that I needed to eat better, reduce calories, burn more calories, and that is when the magic of thermodynamics happened.
Now, I’ll say your comment about nutrient partitioning is true, but this effect will most likely not be significant unless using a lot of gear (especially Tren has this effect). The majority of guys who do a cycle actually get fatter. They do the cycle and bulk. Most of the stories of guys gaining 20-25 lbs on a cycle look worse after the cycle. On the internet they make it sound like it was all muscle, but I’ve seen this IRL multiple times. They just look bigger in general 90% of the time. More muscle and more fat. Out of the 20-25 lbs gained at least half is fat 90% of the time. Many are delusional about the fat gain too. I’ve heard it multiple times. Buddies saying they gained all this weight, but their waste appears smaller to them. Everyone else is saying “Greg sure looks fat”.
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They will shuttle nutrients everywhere - not just your muscles or you wouldn’t be able to gain any fat on gear.
There are many factors like metabolism, diet, response to gear, amount of gear, what gear, etc.
Anabolics make it easier to hold on to muscle during cutting, but they are not cutting drugs. Loss of fat still comes down to diet, but anabolics will help some in various ways.
Now things like T3, clomid, DNP - etc. are a different ballgame, but most TRT / gym rat people aren’t using those.
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Thats because most common sense is based off of movies or poorly written news articles.
These two answers are spot on but if you want me to elaborate on anything feel free to ask.
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Is DMT still a thing?
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It is for some folks.
Never tried it and never want to lol.
Dammit. Well played. You win this round.
I meant DNP.
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Please allow me to add my 2 cents.
Before I started lifting weights I was 160lbs at 6’ 1/8" (bunch of engineering students trying to get precise measurements), and very athletic. After lifting and adding AAS to the mix, I got to 240+lbs at the same body composition as I was before I started lifting weights.
Long distance running was just becoming a craze in Jacksonville, FL in 1978 with the first 15K River Run. Cardio had no involvement in bodybuilding competition. We all trained and dieted to get into top stage shape. All the talk was about how much fat was lost with long distance running. I would have none of that. I countered with, “I burn more calories sleeping than you do running.”
That might be a bit of a stretch, but the point is muscle needs calories. Do I believe AAS burn fat? No, but much of the muscle that I had was a result of AAS. So, indirectly, I believe AAS allows for more muscle, which does burn more fat. Of the 80 extra pounds of muscle I gained above my original 160lbs, I would guess as much as 40lbs of that can be attributed to AAS.
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If you put a dozen crabs in a bucket, you don’t need to put a lid on it - they’ll never escape.
Because anytime a single crab climbs to the top of the pile, all the other crabs pull it back down so they can be at the top of the pile.
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Yes, its still a thing, and yes, those who use it are risking literal death to lose weight.
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Of course, it takes more fuel to power a force injected 426 stroker motor than a naturally aspirated 3.6L pentastar.
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Hatred, in my experience is often maintained, very strongly by having a very one-dimensional view of a person’s circumstances and decision making etc.
Happy people, tend, on average to make healthier choices.
If you found out that your co-worker was routinely sexually abused as a child, had some kind of really awful mental health issue, was sometimes violently incontinent etc would your feelings towards him and other obese people remain the same?
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“Yeah, I am. Mind your own business and eat your donuts you fat fuck.”
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Yes, there are other people who get annoyed by or have an aversion to fat people. You are correct by saying what we speak of here is not fatphobia; rather it is fat aversion.
A female member of the Spanish-speaking side of my family used to mutter mean things at pools and beaches, or social events, upon the sight of obese or sloppy people, like, “mira, un tanque/elefante/puerco cochino” (“look, a tank/elephant/filthy pig”). She also would grab her side and say, “Mira, rollos.” “Look, rolls.”) No, that’s not nice, but that side of the family has and did have aversion to poorly-presenting people, people who lack restraint, and whorish people.
Fatness does not annoy me. As a dietitian and healthcare worker, I am empathetic and exceedingly understanding and patient with people. But fatness and overeating puzzles me, and I cannot wrap my head around how eating can be comforting, how people routinely overeat, even when their own eyes and the mirror show them numerous times per day that they are overweight or obese. I’ve thought to myself, “This person sees he or she is overweight. Something has to be wrong with this person. A person of sound mind would see this and reverse it,” and, “How is this person comfortable nude in front of a spouse?” This goes for some friends and family members.
I’m also astonished by the sheer amount of food people pack away at events and restaurants and by their wonder about why I cannot or do not allow myself to eat that much. I wonder what compels them to eat so much. Many Americans are overweight and even wonder why they are despite their eating habits. Yet it is typical of them to eat at events like they are going to the chair. Considering the lengths of summers and holiday seasons, topped by other events, it’s no wonder people get fatter over the years, only to blame it on age or something else.
At the next wedding you go to, take notice the sheer number of calories consumed through drinking, eating at cocktail hour, eating for the several-course meal with bread and butter on the side, and then dessert time! Do the same or Christmas and Thanksgiving, barbecues, or whatever other events. I do not know what compels people to eat so much and will forever puzzle me, kind of like how people are puzzled with me when I say, “No, I don’t want that. I’ve had enough to eat. I’m already buzzed. Thanks.”
I see someone mentioned hatred. Although there are people who actually hate fat people, I haven’t met one so far, despite annoyance or disgust. I think reasonable people will be understanding upon learning what drives some people’s compulsions, though I don’t know if that will end annoyance because others’ compulsions and excesses are nevertheless annoying or worse to others.
@QuadQueen topic of possible interest.
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I feel like that escalated quicker than normal.
There is a point when someone is trying to mock/bully/establish dominance over a (percived) weaker person who is not part of the “group”, so turning it back on them is both the socially responsible thing to do, and hopefully benifits the agressor by making them think about how easily their percived social insulation can be punctured.
I had something like that happen last week, and do feel curious if I handled my response correctly.
I agree and it’s especially bad to single people out even if it’s something within their control. IMO it’s worse when it’s something they can’t control, but still I don’t believe the intent was to actually make fun of people. It’s a fitness forum and discussing the anti-fitness lifestyle is at least interesting at worst.
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I would like to clarify that the antagonist in my answer was the person calling someone out for being fit, not the responder.
Sometimes escalation is the right response.
Edit: Dammit, I quoted the full message so it got deleted from my original. Fixing now.
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This is pretty much the point I was trying to make. Even if anabolic steroids do nothing to cause fat loss directly, they build muscle. And muscle consumes lots of calories, both to build and maintain.
Lots can be said about shuttling calories around, but that might be pseudoscience. But there is no way to get around the fact that steroids build muscle and that consumes calories.
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