I don’t know your point…
Maybe out of context, but if you are a steroid user, you better be trying hard, or you are just plain stupid.
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Ok fine.
“I’m sorry, rotund sir. Man of men, eating what you want and not giving a fuck about consequences while your belly grows and your dick quits working, as you get weaker and weaker while you fade to an early and preventable death. I am a weak, nutritionally dense meal eating pussy who lifts weights like a professional athlete and in many cases even better. A real sissy of a man, and I did not mean to make you judge me so harshly for being in great shape, strong and able to fuck your neglected wife at the drop of her panties. I will eat at my desk from now on, sir.”
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I actually don’t see a problem with this. Nobody wants to see that shit. It’s one thing to be “average” but the sloppy obesity I’m imagining is just rude to parade around. It would be one thing to harass them directly just to be mean, but pointing out a freak show amongst your own group isn’t a big deal, even if it does carry a negative connotation vs pointing out how nice some chicks ass is for example. It’s noticeable and creates a reaction. And if it’s in public it’s fair game for commentary.
Not arguing your post, this piece just stuck out to me.
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So…. useful tools for favorable body composition?
Clearly disturbed.
I’m out
Um, no, at least not when I was involved. It was packaged food that in combination with some client-bought perishables provided a 1200 calorie diet. As a weight loss counselor, I provided accountability. We reviewed their week, did some problem-solving, and made the food order for the following week. As they reached their goals I helped them transition to grocery store food. Nothing cult-like about it. I and some of my coworkers had successful clients, others did not. There’s nothing weird about having someone (me) say “of course you can do what you want to do, but if what you want to do is lose weight, then what you need to do is follow the program.”
But these are people who presumably want to lose weight and have signed on to a program designed for that purpose. They are purchasing, in part, my involvement in their goals. So during that period of time, I was happy to apply my whimsical musings to their own food projects.
So today was a work day for me, arrival time 8:30. I goofed around online for 30 minutes or so, messed with the dog for a bit, and spent 35 minutes on cardio and stretching. Shower, makeup, straighten hair, and get dressed another 30 minutes. Then time to feed the dog, make my lunch, and cook and eat my breakfast - another 30 minutes. Commute 20 minutes. So let’s say an hour and a quarter divoted specifically to health and fitness, since I had to put on sport bra and sneakers, ponytail my hair, and put the band on my glasses that keeps them from slipping, pour a water, etc. (Good running shoes $150, decent sport bra $60.) Money, time, and effort. If someone else would rather stay up late watching TV and then sleep the extra 1:15, why would I judge them? I (and you) get to do what I like to do, or at least what I feel best doing most of the time.
I guess what I don’t understand about this thread is how it is determined that lifters hold the high moral ground. There are posters here who proudly declare that they don’t eat vegetables. Sleep apnea is rampant on these boards, and some of the stuff I see over in the pharma threads shocks me. Do a look back at systemlord’s threads and you’ll see that he’s an utter dumpster fire, medically speaking - and this guy spends his days giving advice to his fellow “athletes.”
I am inclined to agree that lifestyle choices should not be a shared burden in terms of medical costs, but on the other hand when you say that people should “investigate,” you assume that everyone is wired for curiosity and the will to follow through. These, like the fast metabolism that comes with hyperactivity, are simply traits. You seem to have innate motivation. Excellent. But understand it as the unearned gift it is.
Personally, I would like to see people “earn” their free health care through engagement in their own well being. So smokers would be expected to quit before multiple hospitalizations and expensive surgeries accrue for their COPD, alike to the way active alcoholics are ineligible for liver transplants. I think that would be reasonable with regard to diet as well. But beyond that, it’s none of my business.
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This is a great idea. This, by BrickHead, surprised me. I assumed everyone stopped eating tasty food only by sheer force of will. It’s so easy and pleasant to overeat!
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This.
I’ll be one of the first posters.
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First of all, regarding whimsical, I think it’s great you are able to take Mondays off and cook soups. Still, alternatives are available. The ability to have healthy meals isn’t as exclusive as people make it sound. Neither is exercise. You can run around your block or even apartment parking lot in a pair of WalMart sneaks. And neither diet nor exercise routine have to meet body sculpting perfection. Simply being “not fat” can be done with a very basic diet and exercise routine.
So far most comments seem to be more along the lines of annoyance when fat people whine about being fat and then watch TV with shitty snacks, not moral high ground soapboxes. At least not when you get rid of the snippet communication style and take the whole context in.
I don’t think the vegetable comparison makes much sense considering. If these people were moaning about how they need to eat more veggies on one hand and then proudly declaring that they don’t eat veggies on the other I would agree to seeing the irony.
Scientology is just seeking self improvement, with the help of auditing counselors. But, I’ve made a mistake. She was at weight watchers, not Jenny Craig. Weight Watchers is an absolute cult. I remember the Jenny jingle but that’s about it.
We do agree! I should not bear someone else’s burden, at least unwillingly. I’ll take the agreement win and not elaborate further.
People should investigate. It’s not hard. Eating too much makes me fat. Hopefully we can also agree that everyone universally knows that. Everyone capable of basic logical understanding. It’s as simple as “how much is too much” and Google will literally walk you through answers. An unwillingness to do even this circles me back to be annoyed in willful weakness and is kind of a case in point. I’m incredibly self-driven, but I’m not talking about bootstrapping a multi-office financial services company serving multiple cities, coming back from a motorcycle accident that would’ve killed most people or left them crippled or anything above basically not eating too much.
I generally agree here as well. Except smokers who claim they want to quit smoking and never try are as annoying as the fat fuckers whining about how fat they are. 
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I don’t know man. I don’t lose my shit if fat people look at me.
I’ve had a range of physiques during my lifetime from normal to full house strength athlete to obese. I’ve never had a six pack and I have no plans to achieve one. I’m just aiming for 230 in the next year by merely being good, not perfect.
I’m no more concerned with an overweight or obese person than I am with someone who smokes cigarettes (which I did for 15 years). I’m no more concerned with the obese than I am with someone who rides motorcycles. Nor am I concerned with people who free solo rock climb.
I’m the person you describe, currently sitting at 6’00” and 290. I was a lot heavier than that a year ago after two years of coping with deaths in less than optimal ways.
I like you and what you bring to the forum, but you would be ill-advised to run your chump mouth in such an insulting way anywhere besides the internet. Being good at lifting weights and eating chicken doesn’t make you a tough man. I’m in my mid 40s, 60-70 lbs overweight and still fully prepared to show a young muscle man like you his own butthole.
If anything should bother you about the obese, it is that.
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It is! I went undiagnosed for a long time and think a lot of symptoms cross over with people thinking they need HRT when what they need is sleep. Not sure what you were going for with the comment, but it’s thought provoking.
Genuinely curious, no digs and I’ll be completely respectful. What shocks you and how do we frequent posters in that section make it better? Especially for TRT. I’m not interested in pharma much other than harm reduction.
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Yeah, it sucks and is the curse of thick necks. I found out I had it after being so tired I fell asleep driving on a bridge 200 ft above the Missouri River (thank heaven the rumble strips woke me up). Scariest moment on the road ever. Made an appointment immediately after that.
I don’t judge obese people anymore (or at least try not to) unless they are also making their kids obese. That should be treated as badly as if one is malnourishing the child. I also judge those in the FA community who try and promote obesity as healthy. It’s one thing to live with the effects of one’s choices, it’s another to make false claims about the impact of those choices.
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Earlier in this discussion someone referenced the “Where has everyone gone?” thread. I think this thread shows why a lot of the more thoughtful posters are spending less time on these forums.
Discussions are increasingly dominated by the same few posters commenting with absolute certainty on almost every topic, and shutting down any constructive debate. Just scrolling up here, I can’t believe the personal abuse and insults.
What? People aren’t allowed to disagree or hold their own opinions?
I think people would do well to remember that they don’t know everything about everything and that having different world views does not constitute a personal attack.
And my opinion on this debate: being fat does not make you morally inferior. It doesn’t mean you’re a heathen or a parasite on society.
It does mean you’re probably going to have to buy me at least 8 beers before I find you sexually attractive though.
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I noted Systemlord’s bizarre presence there just after what you’ve quoted here (not trying to make a callout thread here, just trying to make a point about our selectivity in outrage and hate). He’s started posts about his out of control diabetes, his inability to urinate, his weak (non-working?) legs and erectile dysfunction - while touting his hypersexuality elsewhere - and I can’t recall what else. And yet he is one of the most prolific responders to people’s problems, with his advice generally encompassing “don’t trust doctors!!!” Then there are the kids crying out for help after fucking themselves up completely. I have no beef with responsible, educated users. Again, I offer it as a comparison to this topic, not as a “shame on T users.”
I can’t remember why Systemlord caught my attention initially - it was a couple of years ago or more - but when he did I did something of a deep dive, and did call him out for giving advice. Occasionally I see his avatar and check in. What brought him to my attention again is that I peeked into @Njord’s profile and saw that among his “most liked” is Systemlord. I’m a reader and I’m very curious. So I’m all over the forums when I have time.
Going back to your reply, @Njord, I’ve read around the Weight Watcher’s boards, too, in the past, and found essentially what I’ve found here, which is a mix of solid, informed people pursuing their goals and half-cocked idiots trying to cheat the system, e.g. using all sorts of fat free and sugar free products to recreate the foods that got them where they are. Weight Watchers has, over the years, been one of the most successful diet programs ever. I haven’t stumbled across an article ranking common diets recently, but have many times seen WW, Mediterranean, South Beach, and so on, ranked in terms of five year keep-off, and WW generally places well. Not sure where they are currently, efficacy-wise. I know they’ve closed a lot of meetings since covid, and there’s nothing local to me. I’m imagining the meetings were/are central to their success. Same reason we like this site. Maybe your ex’s sister is just whack?
Sure. But not everyone has identified for themselves YOUR GOALS. People hang out with people like themselves, so they are reinforced in feeling that theirs is the normal state of being. I work with people wanting to lose weight and tell them about Martin Gibala’s One Minute Workout, or mention the article I read about “exercise snacks,” or let them know about the ongoing metabolic benefit. And I’m telling you that this stuff isn’t obvious to everyone. Not everyone is a human calorie counter, which I am and I suspect most posters here are. People innocently order salads and feel good about themselves, not realizing that the cheese, bacon bits, and croutons have turned it into an order of McDonald’s fries, calorically.
Not everyone is smart. Not everyone is driven. Not everyone is born with abundant energy, or can identify that their low energy is lifestyle related, because they have no comparison. Their mother and father and grandparents had low energy and they assume that this is just what life feels like. But, they know, what feels good is reruns of The Office with a bag of Doritos. So that’s what they do.
Also, going back to WW and Jenny Craig…it’s interesting to me that you feel this strongly about fat people, but are here shitting on diet programs that are designed to appeal to and help the exact population you disparage, and have had success in doing so. (You can easily google this information! You need not live in ignorance of longstanding success in community based weight loss!)
Lastly, I wonder how many people have whined to you about their physical condition in the past week? Month? Year? I’m a therapist, and so I do talk about this stuff, but my three overweight coworkers don’t seem to say much beyond “I have to get back to the gym” or in the event of a birthday cake “I shouldn’t eat this, but…” And I think to myself or say aloud, depending, “me either, but…” If I don’t take the cake, I know how hard it is not to and don’t blame anyone for not wanting to exercise willpower.
I’m much more incensed by people like Systemlord, who is telling ignorant people things he hasn’t had success with himself. THAT, to me, is malicious, and so deserving of my ire. But not hate, because something is wrong with that guy, and so there’s pity, too.
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Someone woke up and chose violence 
Still trying to get the image of @Andrewgen_Receptors being forced to look at his own anus out of my head
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This thread has definitely touched some nerves!
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Thank for taking the time to reply for me. I definitely see where you are coming from. Some of it has been off-putting for me as well and I think @BrickHead would agree.
It certainly has!
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Me too bro. I’ve never had a staredown with my own butthole.
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