Do Actors Use Steroids?

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[quote]chitown34 wrote:

By no means do I think that I can’t reach their level, but the realization has set in that as a natty with average genetics, it is going to take much longer than I expected to reach my goals.
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If you only have “average genetics”…or even believe you just have “average genetics”, then you wouldn’t have gotten as big as them no matter what so what you are writing still makes little sense. Do you think Kevin Levrone just has “average genetics”? Coleman? Hell, ANY bodybuilder on ANY pro stage? If you really think you are just “average”, then this just comes down to jealousy. I doubt you will admit it though.

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Rephrase the question. If you were a rich actor able to get the best medical advice and not risking anything because you are not taking part in a tested sport, why would you not use steroids?

I’m sure there are some who are concerned about risks or just feel it is wrong or whatever but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if quite a few were taking steroids or other meds. It doesn’t bother me in the slightest. If my livelihood depended on my body and I could take them safely, then I would be on them as well.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
chitown34 wrote:

Football player’s don’t act like they don’t use helmets, and they don’t act like helmets don’t help. Tiger Woods let everyone know that he got lazic. Most of the people on here that are into training are complaining that bodybuilders act like steriods don’t make a massive difference. If you want to correct your analogy, it would be like a football player with a helmet teaching someone without a helmet a proper angle tackle, then telling him a helmet doesn’t make a difference he still had to practice hard everyday. WTF?

People act like having millions means you don’t want to do anything all day. More than half these guys are full of themselves, want to eat out, party hard, make business plans and are human as much as the rest of us. Sticking to proper nutrition is just as difficult, it sure makes it alot easier to make the changes they make using roids and other supplements. [/quote]

You are missing the point so hard it’s laughable. THE HELMET ISN’T DOING THE TACKLING.

I want to see these posts/videos of BBers/published texts of people/BBers saying that steroids dont matter. Not some tounge in cheek bullshit that a pro gives to a mainstream media outlet. There are plenty of websites that are AAS friendly and even endorse their use.

Your statement about nutrition is absurdly ignorant. Did you miss the point about people using steroids that don’t look like they lift weights? If nutrition doesn’t matter how come they aren’t gaining weight?

A 200 pound man using AAS will take in upwards of 400g of protein per day. Think about that for a second. Who are these steroid using adults that are making progress (progress in this case meaning making gains beyond what would be attainable naturally in the same time frame) that have shit nutrition habits? You are talking out of your ass and it’s annoying.

It’s people like you that I’d like to give $1000 to buy AAS (or about 3-4 cycles worth) and see what kind of progress you can make. You’d obviously pay me back when you look exactly the same as when you started, 3 months after the last injection.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Dude, Jackman wasn’t that fucking big!

This thread makes me want to stab myself…

Agreed. If most people here haven’t passed up “Jackman level” in their first 2 years of lifting, either their work ethic or their genetics suck much ass. He is very lean in this pic and no doubt does work hard, but his development is NOT, “OMG, he MUST need roidz to look like that!!!” worthy.

There are no doubt actors who use steroids, but acting like their level of development NEEDS steroids to get that look is retarded. In fact, if you don’t think their physiques are attainable without drugs, then this is the wrong activity for you.[/quote]

I’m not saying that there level of development needs roids, its just the time in which some manage to make such good gains

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[quote]Getting Closer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Dude, Jackman wasn’t that fucking big!

This thread makes me want to stab myself…

Agreed. If most people here haven’t passed up “Jackman level” in their first 2 years of lifting, either their work ethic or their genetics suck much ass. He is very lean in this pic and no doubt does work hard, but his development is NOT, “OMG, he MUST need roidz to look like that!!!” worthy.

There are no doubt actors who use steroids, but acting like their level of development NEEDS steroids to get that look is retarded. In fact, if you don’t think their physiques are attainable without drugs, then this is the wrong activity for you.

I’m not saying that there level of development needs roids, its just the time in which some manage to make such good gains[/quote]

How much time do you think it takes? I mean, Kevin Levrone just regained a shit load of muscle in a few weeks…that he had before. The same with Christian Bale who was REGAINING weight he had lost for that previous role. That is why he gained it back so fast…muscle memory. He wasn’t even small in the “before” shots that were in the Machinist movie of him when he was heavier.

Further, I can guarantee I could make even better progress if I didn’t have to work all day but could spend a few HOURS in the gym at a time…especially with a personal trainer and especially if I was a beginner like many of those actors.

Jackman isn’t even that damn big!

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I know that you have to put in a hell of a lot of effort when you take steroids but obviously you are going to make better gains on roids than you are without other wise people wouldnt cycle roids.

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[quote]Getting Closer wrote:
I know that you have to put in a hell of a lot of effort when you take steroids but obviously you are going to make better gains on roids than you are without other wise people wouldnt cycle roids.[/quote]

Who said otherwise? It is like you are talking in circles. I am sure some actors have used steroids. Does that mean you can just pick them out in a line up based on how much they gained? Hell no. Why take it further than that? My guess is, most of the people taking steroids do NOT look like it. Therefore, pointing your finger at every big guy in movies or on the street as if size alone is the indicator is ridiculous.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Getting Closer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Dude, Jackman wasn’t that fucking big!

This thread makes me want to stab myself…

Agreed. If most people here haven’t passed up “Jackman level” in their first 2 years of lifting, either their work ethic or their genetics suck much ass. He is very lean in this pic and no doubt does work hard, but his development is NOT, “OMG, he MUST need roidz to look like that!!!” worthy.

There are no doubt actors who use steroids, but acting like their level of development NEEDS steroids to get that look is retarded. In fact, if you don’t think their physiques are attainable without drugs, then this is the wrong activity for you.

I’m not saying that there level of development needs roids, its just the time in which some manage to make such good gains

How much time do you think it takes? I mean, Kevin Levrone just regained a shit load of muscle in a few weeks…that he had before. The same with Christian Bale who was REGAINING weight he had lost for that previous role. That is why he gained it back so fast…muscle memory. He wasn’t even small in the “before” shots that were in the Machinist movie of him when he was heavier.

Further, I can guarantee I could make even better progress if I didn’t have to work all day but could spend a few HOURS in the gym at a time…especially with a personal trainer and especially if I was a beginner like many of those actors.

Jackman isn’t even that damn big![/quote]

Ok then maybe I just havnt made as good gains as I should have, although I do put in a lot of effort (I guess you’ll just have to trust me on this) must have been making some big mistakes.

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[quote]Getting Closer wrote:

Ok then maybe I just havnt made as good gains as I should have, although I do put in a lot of effort (I guess you’ll just have to trust me on this) must have been making some big mistakes.[/quote]

Oh, there’s no doubt about that. Guys like you are the only ones who worry about shit like this. If you were making progress and focusing on YOURSELF instead of other people, it wouldn’t matter at all to you what anyone else is doing.

You guys are easy to pick out in a crowd. You’re the guys with that scrunched up look on your face whenever anyone much bigger than you walks by.

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Thats not true I usually just wish I could be as big as they are some day and get motivated.

It seems like we have got off on the wrong foot and you have gotten the wrong impression of me but if I send you a pm of me now and some stats and then a picture of me in 1 or 2 months time, would you be able to tell me if you think i’ve made good progress and if i need to change something? I feel this would help me to find out if i am doing something really wrong as well as motivate me.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
chitown34 wrote:

Football player’s don’t act like they don’t use helmets, and they don’t act like helmets don’t help. Tiger Woods let everyone know that he got lazic. Most of the people on here that are into training are complaining that bodybuilders act like steriods don’t make a massive difference. If you want to correct your analogy, it would be like a football player with a helmet teaching someone without a helmet a proper angle tackle, then telling him a helmet doesn’t make a difference he still had to practice hard everyday. WTF?

People act like having millions means you don’t want to do anything all day. More than half these guys are full of themselves, want to eat out, party hard, make business plans and are human as much as the rest of us. Sticking to proper nutrition is just as difficult, it sure makes it alot easier to make the changes they make using roids and other supplements.

You are missing the point so hard it’s laughable. THE HELMET ISN’T DOING THE TACKLING.
[/quote] the person PRACTICING putting his helmet through the numbers for 10+ years is doing the tackling, which he would NOT be able to do with a snapped neck.

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I want to see these posts/videos of BBers/published texts of people/BBers saying that steroids dont matter. Not some tounge in cheek bullshit that a pro gives to a mainstream media outlet. There are plenty of websites that are AAS friendly and even endorse their use.
[/quote] Forget bodybuilders, your about to do it in the very next paragraph.

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Your statement about nutrition is absurdly ignorant. Did you miss the point about people using steroids that don’t look like they lift weights? If nutrition doesn’t matter how come they aren’t gaining weight?

A 200 pound man using AAS will take in upwards of 400g of protein per day. Think about that for a second. Who are these steroid using adults that are making progress (progress in this case meaning making gains beyond what would be attainable naturally in the same time frame) that have shit nutrition habits? You are talking out of your ass and it’s annoying.

It’s people like you that I’d like to give $1000 to buy AAS (or about 3-4 cycles worth) and see what kind of progress you can make. You’d obviously pay me back when you look exactly the same as when you started, 3 months after the last injection. [/quote]
As I just said your either
A) acting like steriods doesn’t make a HUGE difference.
or
B) Your source SUCKS, (Maybe thats why so many people you know look and perform the same after 3-4 cycles)

If you think you need Ideal nutrition and Superior Work Ethic combined with steriods to look like Christian Bale in BATMAN, 50 cent, Timbaland, or Dr. Dre.

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[quote]Getting Closer wrote:
Thats not true I usually just wish I could be as big as they are some day and get motivated.

It seems like we have got off on the wrong foot and you have gotten the wrong impression of me but if I send you a pm of me now and some stats and then a picture of me in 1 or 2 months time, would you be able to tell me if you think i’ve made good progress and if i need to change something? I feel this would help me to find out if i am doing something really wrong as well as motivate me.[/quote]

I don’t need the pics, but all most of us want on this forum is for it to be filled with people who are more driven and KNOW they are going to reach a goal…not the current crop of newbs who focus on what everyone else is doing as if this is holding them back somehow.

I looked up to people also for motivation…but I was NEVER one of these guys who go around trying to act like steroids are why that guy over there is huge as if his work ethic and the fact that he is in the gym damn near everyday lifting more than the weight of the average Toyota truck had little to do with it.

My first bodybuilding mag went back to 1987. It had Lee Haney on the cover. The only thing in my mind is that I needed to work really hard and eat alot to get like that. The current media hysteria has FUCKED you guys with no Vaseline. It has led to most of you thinking steroids are the key to making gains as if that is why every big guy is big. It has forced you to focus on the wrong shit.

In fact, if you can’t build your arms over 18" naturally, then why the fuck would you even worry about using hormones to make up for your genetics?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Airtruth wrote:

Football player’s don’t act like they don’t use helmets, and they don’t act like helmets don’t help. Tiger Woods let everyone know that he got lazic.

You won’t go to jail for openly admitting that to the public.
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LOL there are people on here who say they use… they don’t go to jail… I have yet to meet someone who hasn’t got caught with it on them, and admit they use go to jail. Same thing with weed for that matter.

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Most of the people on here that are into training are complaining that bodybuilders act like steriods don’t make a massive difference.

They make a difference if you know wtf you are doing. I have seen personally examples of people either not knowing, or not putting the effort in, and got dick. I have also seen a few kids get swole as fuck. Which only further proves that you still have to WORK.
[/quote] You may not realize the effect the roids had for that particular person. If that person’s only desire was to be 180 lbs and a little bit more muscular he’s not going to look like a roid user to most people or even like he lifts weights, but he will be alot happier with himself than when he was 145lbs and felt twiggy standing next to an average man.

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But to sit here and be disheartened because a bodybuilder uses AAS is fucking asinine. That is like being disheartened that Lance Armstrong uses the bike he does rather than a Mongoose. Being pissed that Danika Patrick races a F1 car rather than a Honda Civic. (I know nothing about racing.)

If you want to correct your analogy, it would be like a football player with a helmet teaching someone without a helmet a proper angle tackle, then telling him a helmet doesn’t make a difference he still had to practice hard everyday. WTF?

That makes zero sense. You do have to practice hard everyday, helmet or not. And you have to tackle correctly, helmet or not. You have to nail all the variables down to makes progress steroids, oops I mean helmet or not.
[/quote] As I said b4 you can easily snap your neck running full speed planting your face into somebody tackiling them without a helmet which is pretty standard and what makes rugby and football different.
Also as i said before if you can’t train 10x longer and harder on Roids then off your source sucks. Why does this matter? well when some natural guy asks a guy who has a good source if he can train with him or his complete workout he could easily tear apart his body. Need proof?? check with all the natural competitors who at one point in time in there life used.

If people work just as hard and eat the exact same things to make the exact same progress as someone who doesn’t use roids what’s the point?
In my world where roids has an effect an actor can look a little better, while still maintaining his million dollar lifestyle.

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[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:
let’s help this thread out a little…[/quote]

what’s her name?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
My first bodybuilding mag went back to 1987. It had Lee Haney on the cover. The only thing in my mind is that I needed to work really hard and eat alot to get like that. The current media hysteria has FUCKED you guys with no Vaseline. It has led to most of you thinking steroids are the key to making gains as if that is why every big guy is big. It has forced you to focus on the wrong shit.[/quote]

Quoted for truth. There were big, freakishly strong people before steroids were available. Search T-Nation, and names like John Grimek and Steve Reeves will come up an awful lot. There’s the great grandpappy of bodybuilding, Eugene Sandow. These guys didn’t just get big and strong without steroids, they did so without any of the modern supplements or training knowledge we have now. They just lifted (crazy) hard, didn’t pay attention to notions of abritrary limits on strength or muscularity, and ate well.

There’s another article here from a couple years back where they interview a long-term steroid user, the name never given so he could remain anonymous. His statement was that steroids were like an ace up your sleeve: they’re certainly an advantage, but they’re not the be-all end-all of strength. He reported having known several people that he’d never have suspected took ‘roids, but were users – and several guys who were so frickin’ strong that he thought they had been on the juice, only to find out he was wrong.

One of the strongest lifters I’ve ever known was steroid-free. Genetically gifted (and freakishly so), but steroid-free.

They’re a tool. Nothing more. My personal thought on them is that if you don’t explore your own personal limits, discover just how hard you’re willing to work, how far you’re willing to push yourself without the steroids, then you’re doing yourself a disservice by indulging in them.

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[quote]Northcott wrote:
Professor X wrote:
My first bodybuilding mag went back to 1987. It had Lee Haney on the cover. The only thing in my mind is that I needed to work really hard and eat alot to get like that. The current media hysteria has FUCKED you guys with no Vaseline. It has led to most of you thinking steroids are the key to making gains as if that is why every big guy is big. It has forced you to focus on the wrong shit.

Quoted for truth. There were big, freakishly strong people before steroids were available. Search T-Nation, and names like John Grimek and Steve Reeves will come up an awful lot. There’s the great grandpappy of bodybuilding, Eugene Sandow. These guys didn’t just get big and strong without steroids, they did so without any of the modern supplements or training knowledge we have now. They just lifted (crazy) hard, didn’t pay attention to notions of abritrary limits on strength or muscularity, and ate well.
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Ah, an opportunity to answer yours and Professor X’s comments at once!

Very few of those men you mention had >18" arms, indicated by Prof X as being around the mark of a serious BBer in terms of achievement these days (if i interpret him correctly from other posts)

In general I think there is much confusion over what a BB physique is and that generates threads like these. Pretty much all Mr America’s pre 1960 are rightly called bodybuilders yet none have the weight or size associated with the last few decades of pro level bodybuilding - and the role of steroids is generally accepted in this change, whilst certainly not explaining it all of course. As a result many people interested in muscularity now connect any muscular physique with steroids, ironically including anyone today with the very respectable ‘1940’s Mr America’ level of muscularity.

Then there are baseball and other athletes on steroids who simply look athletic, so again many people out there in the general public start associating that look with steroids and pretty quickly the role of steroids is seen as a necessary for almost any level of muscularity/athleticism both by the public at large and by the more ignorant/new weightlifting enthusiasts

Much confusion is generated and so it is unsurprising that actors are thought of as using too. Oddly i hadn’t ever thought that and always assumed the more muscular but still regular sized actors simply had good self discipline, training and diet. Maybe I was being naive.

For contrast, in the past I’ve read some posters on bodybuilding sites that also go the other way, for them anyone pre 1960’s and anyone looking vaguely like Frank Zane has a “tennis player” physique, or some other dismissive term. This ‘under-rating’ is a much smaller phenomenon than ‘over-rating’ but it always makes me laugh too and is another indication of the confusion, coming in the other direction, over what a bodybuilding physique is about.

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[quote]chitown34 wrote:

As far as being disheartened- On reason is that when I first came on this site, I suppose I had unrealistic goals b/c I would see motivational physiques of posters who at the time I believed were natural. It also seems like every week or two, I find out that another one of the big guys at my gym, workplace, and bjj academy are using something.

By no means do I think that I can’t reach their level, but the realization has set in that as a natty with average genetics, it is going to take much longer than I expected to reach my goals. This isn’t so bad because I love the thrill of beating the log book and love lifting. However, when posters on this site are going around telling everyone that food and hard work are the only components and gear isn’t a big part of the equation it gets a little frustrating. You haven’t done that so I shouldn’t have vented my frustration in this thread.
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Then don’t be a “natty” maybe?

Or don’t press submit?

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First off, use the search feature!

I recall reading an article here about this very post. Took me about 20 seconds to find it:

Secondly, to Dre the Hatchet, thank you for brightening up this thread!!!

Thirdly, just because you’re on a cycle, doesn’t mean your going to get big. The word “steroid” has been so over-hyped in the media for the past decade that it’s not even funny. Most people that report on steroids in the news know next to nothing about them, aside from what their buddy’s buddy told them about when his cousin, twice removed milked his father’s male horse on the farm, bottled the jizz and labeled it “T” and sold it to his friend’s friend, friend, who gargled it down and felt “energized”.

Seriously! For all that is holy, stop the “must be on roids” insanity!

I think it’s fair to say that if everyone here had multi-millions of dollars to spend on pharma-grade substances, the best nutrition available, the ability to sleep 10 hours a day (go to bed when you feel tired and get up when you feel rested), have a quality personal trainer (someone that has actually built a body, competed and trained other people at the professional level), and had as much sex as we wanted, we’d all be “huge” too…

I’d write more about the various types of steroids, what they’re designed to actually do, how they react in the body, etc. but this thread is just getting depressing without the pics of the hot women.

Now lets just end this nonesense and get back to what really matters - the pics of the hot women!

Jeez!

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[quote]chitown34 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
…it is a bit disheartening when many of the more impressive and active posters on this site do in fact take steroids.

The next time you have a headache, don’t take Tylenol. Or when you get a bacterial infection put down the Z-pack. It’s disheartening that you are too soft to achieve your goals without drugs. Hell, why not just ban chemo therapy.

I am not responding to your post because I believe you are referring to me when you use the term “more impressive posters on this site”. Just so you don’t get the wrong impression.

Seriously though. I’d like to hear your rationale for feeling disheartened by well developed steroid users who post on this site. (Does this mean you are OK with steroid users elsewhere? or steroid users with shitty physiques?)

You’re right. I am not one to shy away from legal medicines. If a 40 yr old man wants to undergo hormone replacement therapy under the supervision of a doctor, good for him. I’m happy as long as I beat my log week each week, even if it means my progress comes slower than someone that is on gear. I know that I can eventually reach 4/5/6 on the big 3, and would rather put in extra time and work than take drugs that I do think are risky for someone in their 20’s w/out medical supervision.

However, for every poster that claims that no one can get big w/out steroids and that they will give you “roid rage”, heart attacks, etc… there are plenty of posters that routinely state that the impact that gear has is close to negligible, and deliver the old mantra that “if anything, steroids=more work!”, all the while invalidating the work a smaller guy has put in. All the hypocrisy just gets a little annoying. To use myself as an example, I have taken my DL from 350 to 515 in the last year and added about 30 pounds in the last 4 months, but I’ve probably been referred to as someone who doesn’t look like they lift and lacks work ethic. That’s fine, but I’m not going to let someone tell me that steroids wouldn’t get me from point A to point B considerably faster than without them.

another example… Less than a year ago, one of the bigger posters on this site got into a huge argument with a young bodybuilder who was on prohormones, calling him a cheater. Since then, this poster has himself used gear, and is much stronger much bigger than he was before (but obviously the gear didn’t make much of a difference). Again, the hypocrisy is irritating.

In a perfect world, the guys who haven’t made progress in 2 years would stop pointing fingers about steroid use and realize that they either aren’t eating enough, training hard enough, or both. The steroid users would admit once in a while that “hey, this isn’t for everybody, there are risks, but I have made better progress with them than I would have without”. sry for the rant and I apologize for offending anyone. /end hijack

I agree with most of your post and didnt claim otherwise (regarding the effectiveness of steroids) and my post history will back that up.

Not trying t be a dick but what are you actually disheartened about? The legality of the matter?

I dont think you made the post just to say that you don’t like hipocrisy. No one likes hipocrisy and the good thing is that you won’t find this kind of hipocrite in the steroid forum on this site.

And finally I don’t think you can criticize the “steroids = more work” phrase without knowing what being on AAS actually entails. Obviously one doesn’t need to do more work to get the same results but when one is on AAS more work needs to be done to get the max potential out of the cycle. More work in the kitchen and more work in the gym.

As far as being disheartened- On reason is that when I first came on this site, I suppose I had unrealistic goals b/c I would see motivational physiques of posters who at the time I believed were natural. It also seems like every week or two, I find out that another one of the big guys at my gym, workplace, and bjj academy are using something.

By no means do I think that I can’t reach their level, but the realization has set in that as a natty with average genetics, it is going to take much longer than I expected to reach my goals. This isn’t so bad because I love the thrill of beating the log book and love lifting. However, when posters on this site are going around telling everyone that food and hard work are the only components and gear isn’t a big part of the equation it gets a little frustrating. You haven’t done that so I shouldn’t have vented my frustration in this thread.
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I personally know someone who went from 80kg to 100 without steroids or any other supplements that I know of.

He also does not know a lot about nutrition.

He does know about discipline and hard work though.

What is the problem?

The good news is that with hard work and maybe some steroids you can look like the BB in the 80s. I think that is great. Would you want to look like one of todays top BB if you could? I would not. But Gaspari, Labrada, Paris, Benfatto? Hell yeah and you can come close to that.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Would you want to look like one of todays top BB if you could? I would not.

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I hate it when people do this. Curry looks bad? Heath? Wolf? Hell, many of the newer guys DO look like more like the physiques in the 80’s-90’s. I mean, Toney Freeman has a legit 31" waist at a height of 6’2". Are you guys even paying attention?

Also, you think the average guy can look like Gaspari and Benfatto? WTF? Hell, do YOU look like them?