if i was an actor making blockbuster movies, even with all that time to train and whatnot, i would probably take advantage of my resources and the fact i could get high quality steroids and good medical care.
especially if my clothes are coming off
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
Football player’s don’t act like they don’t use helmets, and they don’t act like helmets don’t help. Tiger Woods let everyone know that he got lazic. Most of the people on here that are into training are complaining that bodybuilders act like steriods don’t make a massive difference. If you want to correct your analogy, it would be like a football player with a helmet teaching someone without a helmet a proper angle tackle, then telling him a helmet doesn’t make a difference he still had to practice hard everyday. WTF?
People act like having millions means you don’t want to do anything all day. More than half these guys are full of themselves, want to eat out, party hard, make business plans and are human as much as the rest of us. Sticking to proper nutrition is just as difficult, it sure makes it alot easier to make the changes they make using roids and other supplements.
You are missing the point so hard it’s laughable. THE HELMET ISN’T DOING THE TACKLING.
the person PRACTICING putting his helmet through the numbers for 10+ years is doing the tackling, which he would NOT be able to do with a snapped neck.
I want to see these posts/videos of BBers/published texts of people/BBers saying that steroids dont matter. Not some tounge in cheek bullshit that a pro gives to a mainstream media outlet. There are plenty of websites that are AAS friendly and even endorse their use.
Forget bodybuilders, your about to do it in the very next paragraph.
Your statement about nutrition is absurdly ignorant. Did you miss the point about people using steroids that don’t look like they lift weights? If nutrition doesn’t matter how come they aren’t gaining weight?
A 200 pound man using AAS will take in upwards of 400g of protein per day. Think about that for a second. Who are these steroid using adults that are making progress (progress in this case meaning making gains beyond what would be attainable naturally in the same time frame) that have shit nutrition habits? You are talking out of your ass and it’s annoying.
It’s people like you that I’d like to give $1000 to buy AAS (or about 3-4 cycles worth) and see what kind of progress you can make. You’d obviously pay me back when you look exactly the same as when you started, 3 months after the last injection.
As I just said your either
A) acting like steriods doesn’t make a HUGE difference.
or
B) Your source SUCKS, (Maybe thats why so many people you know look and perform the same after 3-4 cycles)
If you think you need Ideal nutrition and Superior Work Ethic combined with steriods to look like Christian Bale in BATMAN, 50 cent, Timbaland, or Dr. Dre.
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Football has been around long before modern helmets have been. How many guys broke their necks in the 20s, 30s, and 40s?
Using fake gear doesn’t apply to this situation at all. How is it possible for a person with a functioning brain to miss that point. If a person is using fake gear than they are the same as someone training naturally, which is does not pertain to this argument.
You are actually too ignorant to have a conversation with. I did not say it takes ideal nutrition to look like Bale, 50, or Dr Dre (Timbaland is fat btw. Why the fuck is he included?). Those guys are not making more progress than couldnt be made naturally in a defined time frame. Which was my entire point.
You are trying to say that someone with shit work ethic and poor nutrition habits can overcome them with the use of steroids. Sure steroids will help while on cycle to make some muscular gains. The same gains could be had by that person if their work ethic was better and nutrition was better. Check back in 3 months after the cycle and see how much of the gains are retained by a the person with poor work ethic and poor nutrition.
I’m done with you because you haven’t the slightest clue as to what you are talking about and I’m not being paid to educate you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Would you want to look like one of todays top BB if you could? I would not.
I hate it when people do this. Curry looks bad? Heath? Wolf? Hell, many of the newer guys DO look like more like the physiques in the 80’s-90’s. I mean, Toney Freeman has a legit 31" waist at a height of 6’2". Are you guys even paying attention?
Also, you think the average guy can look like Gaspari and Benfatto? WTF? Hell, do YOU look like them?[/quote]
Gaspari? Why not.
I do not look like him but he has the same wide hips, not too long legs and so on.
He was and is far from a genetic God.
People like Labrada and Benfatto are easily doable in terms of mass but what made them special was their symmetry and their eye for details. That, to me is BB. Not so much adding on mass like a berserker but about building a body like a greek statue.
[quote]orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Would you want to look like one of todays top BB if you could? I would not.
I hate it when people do this. Curry looks bad? Heath? Wolf? Hell, many of the newer guys DO look like more like the physiques in the 80’s-90’s. I mean, Toney Freeman has a legit 31" waist at a height of 6’2". Are you guys even paying attention?
Also, you think the average guy can look like Gaspari and Benfatto? WTF? Hell, do YOU look like them?
Gaspari? Why not.
I do not look like him but he has the same wide hips, not too long legs and so on.
He was and is far from a genetic God.
People like Labrada and Benfatto are easily doable in terms of mass but what made them special was their symmetry and their eye for details. That, to me is BB. Not so much adding on mass like a berserker but about building a body like a greek statue.
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I never got the point of comparing bodybuilding to greek statues. Look up pictures of greek statues, none of them look very muscular or even extremely lean. The greak ideals calls for a 16" neck, 16" arms and 16" calves. These measurements should probably all be passed by the majority of lifters within the first 2 years of bodybuilding.
Bodybuilding and greek statues really have nothing in common.
And LOL @ “easily doable”.
[quote]orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Would you want to look like one of todays top BB if you could? I would not.
I hate it when people do this. Curry looks bad? Heath? Wolf? Hell, many of the newer guys DO look like more like the physiques in the 80’s-90’s. I mean, Toney Freeman has a legit 31" waist at a height of 6’2". Are you guys even paying attention?
Also, you think the average guy can look like Gaspari and Benfatto? WTF? Hell, do YOU look like them?
Gaspari? Why not.
I do not look like him but he has the same wide hips, not too long legs and so on.
He was and is far from a genetic God.
People like Labrada and Benfatto are easily doable in terms of mass but what made them special was their symmetry and their eye for details. That, to me is BB. Not so much adding on mass like a berserker but about building a body like a greek statue.
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Easily doable? Labrada was one of the best and how many people on this forum are carrying anywhere near that level of size? Are you being serious? It is “easily doable” for the average person to look like Gaspari? Really?
These were the genetic elite who were in contest shape at over 220lbs…which if you haven’t guessed would still put you in the top elite lifters in an NPC heavy weight class. If you think that is easily doable you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Would you want to look like one of todays top BB if you could? I would not.
I hate it when people do this. Curry looks bad? Heath? Wolf? Hell, many of the newer guys DO look like more like the physiques in the 80’s-90’s. I mean, Toney Freeman has a legit 31" waist at a height of 6’2". Are you guys even paying attention?
Also, you think the average guy can look like Gaspari and Benfatto? WTF? Hell, do YOU look like them?
Gaspari? Why not.
I do not look like him but he has the same wide hips, not too long legs and so on.
He was and is far from a genetic God.
People like Labrada and Benfatto are easily doable in terms of mass but what made them special was their symmetry and their eye for details. That, to me is BB. Not so much adding on mass like a berserker but about building a body like a greek statue.
I never got the point of comparing bodybuilding to greek statues. Look up pictures of greek statues, none of them look very muscular or even extremely lean. The greak ideals calls for a 16" neck, 16" arms and 16" calves. These measurements should probably all be passed by the majority of lifters within the first 2 years of bodybuilding.
Bodybuilding and greek statues really have nothing in common.
And LOL @ “easily doable”.[/quote]
Both of them were like 90kg in contest shape.
I had 90kg at 13. Not exactly in contest shape but not fat either.
So yes, mass wise a lot of the 80s BB are well in reach for me.
When it comes too proportion and symmetry they are light years ahead.
[quote]orion wrote:
Both of them were like 90kg in contest shape.
I had 90kg at 13. Not exactly in contest shape but not fat either.
So yes, mass wise a lot of the 80s BB are well in reach for me.
When it comes too proportion and symmetry they are light years ahead.
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LOL.
Yeah…I’m sure you were real close to what Labrada looked like at 13.
First, most of the guys you mentioned were very short. Second, Labrada came in second under Haney for the Olympia several times. If you think that is “easily doable” something is very wrong.
Please post pics of near pro level amount of size you were carrying at only 13.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Would you want to look like one of todays top BB if you could? I would not.
I hate it when people do this. Curry looks bad? Heath? Wolf? Hell, many of the newer guys DO look like more like the physiques in the 80’s-90’s. I mean, Toney Freeman has a legit 31" waist at a height of 6’2". Are you guys even paying attention?
Also, you think the average guy can look like Gaspari and Benfatto? WTF? Hell, do YOU look like them?
Gaspari? Why not.
I do not look like him but he has the same wide hips, not too long legs and so on.
He was and is far from a genetic God.
People like Labrada and Benfatto are easily doable in terms of mass but what made them special was their symmetry and their eye for details. That, to me is BB. Not so much adding on mass like a berserker but about building a body like a greek statue.
Easily doable? Labrada was one of the best and how many people on this forum are carrying anywhere near that level of size? Are you being serious? It is “easily doable” for the average person to look like Gaspari? Really?
These were the genetic elite who were in contest shape at over 220lbs…which if you haven’t guessed would still put you in the top elite lifters in an NPC heavy weight class. If you think that is easily doable you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
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You are misunderstanding me on purpose.
I claimed that Gaspari had wide hips and short legs so his body type is close enough to mine that he cans serve as a role model. An ideal that I theoretically could be.
I also claimed that out of the three I mentioned Labrada and Benfatto are easily doable in terms of mass. Since a lot of people on this board could diet down to around 90kg that is a fact.
What is also true though that none of them would look like either of those two, so obviously they had something most BB lack. That however is not sheer mass.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Both of them were like 90kg in contest shape.
I had 90kg at 13. Not exactly in contest shape but not fat either.
So yes, mass wise a lot of the 80s BB are well in reach for me.
When it comes too proportion and symmetry they are light years ahead.
LOL.
Yeah…I’m sure you were real close to what Labrada looked like at 13.
First, most of the guys you mentioned were very short. Second, Labrada came in second under Haney for the Olympia several times. If you think that is “easily doable” something is very wrong.
Please post pics of near pro level amount of size you were carrying at only 13.
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Gargl?
[quote]orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Would you want to look like one of todays top BB if you could? I would not.
I hate it when people do this. Curry looks bad? Heath? Wolf? Hell, many of the newer guys DO look like more like the physiques in the 80’s-90’s. I mean, Toney Freeman has a legit 31" waist at a height of 6’2". Are you guys even paying attention?
Also, you think the average guy can look like Gaspari and Benfatto? WTF? Hell, do YOU look like them?
Gaspari? Why not.
I do not look like him but he has the same wide hips, not too long legs and so on.
He was and is far from a genetic God.
People like Labrada and Benfatto are easily doable in terms of mass but what made them special was their symmetry and their eye for details. That, to me is BB. Not so much adding on mass like a berserker but about building a body like a greek statue.
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Looking easthetic is a lot to do with the frame as you indicate and is ‘era neutral’. Check the pic - that’s Brandon Curry, Lee Labrada and Steve Stanko from 2008, the 90’s and the 40’s respectively
If you’re a bodybuilder right now intent on winning then i think “you want to look like one of todays top BB” by looking like Brandon thus following in the winning footsteps of the likes of Labrada and Stanko. I agree with Prof X that despite a recent period of less easthetic ‘mass monsters’ there is a definite return to the classic frame and proportions at the highest competetive levels, don’t you think?
[quote]orion wrote:
I also claimed that out of the three I mentioned Labrada and Benfatto are easily doable in terms of mass. Since a lot of people on this board could diet down to around 90kg that is a fact.
What is also true though that none of them would look like either of those two, so obviously they had something most BB lack. That however is not sheer mass.
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OMG ok, you’ve spewed a lot of crap just then but I had to comment on this
Firstly, they were both 5’6"
and you seem to forget this is a CONTEST weight 90kg, not a “not fat” 90kg weight
these guys would’ve had abs @ 100kg+ before dieting down for a show
how many people do you see sporting abs at that weight and height?
easily doable, yeh sure
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I never got the point of comparing bodybuilding to greek statues. Look up pictures of greek statues, none of them look very muscular or even extremely lean. The greak ideals calls for a 16" neck, 16" arms and 16" calves. These measurements should probably all be passed by the majority of lifters within the first 2 years of bodybuilding.
Bodybuilding and greek statues really have nothing in common.
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i think its about proportion rather than the exact measurements.
You need to give these statues a chance! The left and middle ones seem ok, and give the third guy a break - just because he struggles in the double biceps pose…!
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Why didn’t you put up the sculpture of the Farnese Hercules instead of the skinny discus guy?[/quote]
I googled “greek statue” and all I got were a bunch of skinny statues. I don’t know what Farnese Hercules is but it sounds like he’s bigger. That still doesn’t negate the fact that most greek statues are just lean guys with a little muscle to them.
Do you think bodybuilding and greek ideals/statues is a good comparison? Or did you just want to point out that there is one or two greek statues that aren’t so skinny looking?
[quote]taleb wrote:
orion wrote:
I also claimed that out of the three I mentioned Labrada and Benfatto are easily doable in terms of mass. Since a lot of people on this board could diet down to around 90kg that is a fact.
What is also true though that none of them would look like either of those two, so obviously they had something most BB lack. That however is not sheer mass.
OMG ok, you’ve spewed a lot of crap just then but I had to comment on this
Firstly, they were both 5’6"
and you seem to forget this is a CONTEST weight 90kg, not a “not fat” 90kg weight
these guys would’ve had abs @ 100kg+ before dieting down for a show
how many people do you see sporting abs at that weight and height?
easily doable, yeh sure
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Doable if you really put some work into it and use some steroids.
That was my initial claim and “easily doable” has to be seen in that context.
ok my bad
I’m 5’8" and 75kg now
if I really put my ass into gear and took some steroids
how long would you say it’ll take me until I can compete at the Olmypia 202 ?
[quote]taleb wrote:
Doable if you really put some work into it and use some steroids.
That was my initial claim and “easily doable” has to be seen in that context.
ok my bad
I’m 5’8" and 75kg now
if I really put my ass into gear and took some steroids
how long would you say it’ll take me until I can compete at the Olmypia 202 ?[/quote]
Come on…that’s so EASY!!
Hell, look at ALL of the people on this forum that look damn close to Olympia level competitors. I hate underachievers.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Come on…that’s so EASY!!
Hell, look at ALL of the people on this forum that look damn close to Olympia level competitors. I hate underachievers.[/quote]
you’re right
I was aiming too low, 202 pshh !!! that’s like the B-class
Why would anyone use Greek statues as a measure of physique? Certainly there is a classical ideal that has an aesthetic quality, but it’s like saying we should compare modern cinema with Greek tragedies.
[quote]taleb wrote:
Doable if you really put some work into it and use some steroids.
That was my initial claim and “easily doable” has to be seen in that context.
ok my bad
I’m 5’8" and 75kg now
if I really put my ass into gear and took some steroids
how long would you say it’ll take me until I can compete at the Olympia 202 ?[/quote]
So you are asking me, because you would not want to twist anything I said such so that you could disagree with it, how long it would take you to have the sheer mass of an 80s competitor like Labrada or Benfatto.
I dont know.
You tell me.
But if honestly do not believe that you can achieve that, why bother?
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Why would anyone use Greek statues as a measure of physique? Certainly there is a classical ideal that has an aesthetic quality, but it’s like saying we should compare modern cinema with Greek tragedies.[/quote]
Because beauty is eternal?