[quote]nourkah wrote:
My question is this. I recently got laid off and essentially have nothing to do for a while but eat and train. [/quote]
maybe you should get another job.
Enough with the pics or we’ll have to move this thread to SAMA.
[quote]Mod Laurie wrote:
Enough with the pics or we’ll have to move this thread to SAMA.
:)[/quote]
lol, I’m sorry… It’s addicting, and I have a problem.
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
…it is a bit disheartening when many of the more impressive and active posters on this site do in fact take steroids. [/quote]
The next time you have a headache, don’t take Tylenol. Or when you get a bacterial infection put down the Z-pack. It’s disheartening that you are too soft to achieve your goals without drugs. Hell, why not just ban chemo therapy.
I am not responding to your post because I believe you are referring to me when you use the term “more impressive posters on this site”. Just so you don’t get the wrong impression.
Seriously though. I’d like to hear your rationale for feeling disheartened by well developed steroid users who post on this site. (Does this mean you are OK with steroid users elsewhere? or steroid users with shitty physiques?)
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Mod Laurie wrote:
Enough with the pics or we’ll have to move this thread to SAMA.
lol, I’m sorry… It’s addicting, and I have a problem.[/quote]
Admitting you have a problem is the first step to… wait, don’t get help for your problem, just direct the pictures to me via PM instead!
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Mod Laurie wrote:
Enough with the pics or we’ll have to move this thread to SAMA.
lol, I’m sorry… It’s addicting, and I have a problem.[/quote]
Yes, grammar.
The adjective is addictive. Addicting is the transitive verb.
Addicting is the process of becoming addicted to something that is addictive.
So you could write that posting pictures of scantily clad women is addicting you however I am sure that you become addicted to it long ago therefore this would most likely not be true.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
…it is a bit disheartening when many of the more impressive and active posters on this site do in fact take steroids.
The next time you have a headache, don’t take Tylenol. Or when you get a bacterial infection put down the Z-pack. It’s disheartening that you are too soft to achieve your goals without drugs. Hell, why not just ban chemo therapy.
I am not responding to your post because I believe you are referring to me when you use the term “more impressive posters on this site”. Just so you don’t get the wrong impression.
Seriously though. I’d like to hear your rationale for feeling disheartened by well developed steroid users who post on this site. (Does this mean you are OK with steroid users elsewhere? or steroid users with shitty physiques?) [/quote]
Bonez, I’m going to assume that’s you in your avatar. Way to go, you actually are pretty impressive now! I remember thinking months ago, ‘man, who is this skinny-looking guy in the NY jersey talking so much’? Hah!
[quote]nourkah wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
nourkah wrote:
I get that the reason they are able to transform is that for the 6-9 months before they start shooting a movie that requires them to look a certain way, their only job is to eat and train until they have that body.
My question is this. I recently got laid off and essentially have nothing to do for a while but eat and train. I know I need proper rest and everything, but I feel that since I have the extra time I should be utilizing it in the gym. Are there any workout/nutrition programs for a person like myself who has all the time in the world to train and eat?
No. You have to buy some steroids.
Was that really a serious post? Train 2 times a day and eat more than you do when you train once a day. If it works for you, great. If it doesnt, find something that does. Do you really think that every actor that needs to put on 15 pounds in 3 months uses the same exact program?
Hmmm… yes that was actually a serious post. I was looking for advice on a workout program since I have more time, and was worried about overtraining, but hey thanks for being a d-bag on t-mag. I don’t care what any of those individuals did, I was asking for advice. You sir, are a dick.
Considering this website and countless others are specifically geared toward giving bodybuilders information on the sport I didn’t really think I was out of line by ASKING A QUESTION. Thanks though. Train and eat more, great advice considering I had already said that I know thats what they do.
Why do we even have websites like this? They should all just be one page with all caps that says TRAIN MORE AND EAT MORE. [/quote]
Do you think you are the first person to call me a dick? Pointless
And as for the reson I made the post I did. You provided no information about yourself other than the irrelevant tidbit about your layoff. How do you expect to receive advice (in a random thread about actors and AAS nevertheless) if you don’t even give the bear minimum for us to work with.
You didnt post your age, stats, current nutrition plan, what has worked for you in the past, what is working for you now but you want someone to make a post giving you the next best thing to get hugee. Whatever
We all know that the first to scream STEROIDS are the ones who dont have the balls to bust there as in the gym and be dedicated.
And like said above, gear is not a magic pill or injection.As far as im concerned if your on gear you better be busting your ass and staying strict because now its for real.
[quote]patricio2626 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
…it is a bit disheartening when many of the more impressive and active posters on this site do in fact take steroids.
The next time you have a headache, don’t take Tylenol. Or when you get a bacterial infection put down the Z-pack. It’s disheartening that you are too soft to achieve your goals without drugs. Hell, why not just ban chemo therapy.
I am not responding to your post because I believe you are referring to me when you use the term “more impressive posters on this site”. Just so you don’t get the wrong impression.
Seriously though. I’d like to hear your rationale for feeling disheartened by well developed steroid users who post on this site. (Does this mean you are OK with steroid users elsewhere? or steroid users with shitty physiques?)
Bonez, I’m going to assume that’s you in your avatar. Way to go, you actually are pretty impressive now! I remember thinking months ago, ‘man, who is this skinny-looking guy in the NY jersey talking so much’? Hah![/quote]
Thank you. That picture was taken about 5 years ago (a few years after Giambi was signed). I was a tad smaller back then lol. Still a ways to go though.
It’s a bit disheartening when noobs/retards come on this site and think most of the well developed physiques are solely from steroid use. If you actually put in the fucking effort and time you’ll get somewhere. If you don’t want to, thats fine, just don’t bitch about steroid use.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
…it is a bit disheartening when many of the more impressive and active posters on this site do in fact take steroids.
The next time you have a headache, don’t take Tylenol. Or when you get a bacterial infection put down the Z-pack. It’s disheartening that you are too soft to achieve your goals without drugs. Hell, why not just ban chemo therapy.
I am not responding to your post because I believe you are referring to me when you use the term “more impressive posters on this site”. Just so you don’t get the wrong impression.
Seriously though. I’d like to hear your rationale for feeling disheartened by well developed steroid users who post on this site. (Does this mean you are OK with steroid users elsewhere? or steroid users with shitty physiques?) [/quote]
You’re right. I am not one to shy away from legal medicines. If a 40 yr old man wants to undergo hormone replacement therapy under the supervision of a doctor, good for him. I’m happy as long as I beat my log week each week, even if it means my progress comes slower than someone that is on gear. I know that I can eventually reach 4/5/6 on the big 3, and would rather put in extra time and work than take drugs that I do think are risky for someone in their 20’s w/out medical supervision.
However, for every poster that claims that no one can get big w/out steroids and that they will give you “roid rage”, heart attacks, etc… there are plenty of posters that routinely state that the impact that gear has is close to negligible, and deliver the old mantra that “if anything, steroids=more work!”, all the while invalidating the work a smaller guy has put in. All the hypocrisy just gets a little annoying. To use myself as an example, I have taken my DL from 350 to 515 in the last year and added about 30 pounds in the last 4 months, but I’ve probably been referred to as someone who doesn’t look like they lift and lacks work ethic. That’s fine, but I’m not going to let someone tell me that steroids wouldn’t get me from point A to point B considerably faster than without them.
another example… Less than a year ago, one of the bigger posters on this site got into a huge argument with a young bodybuilder who was on prohormones, calling him a cheater. Since then, this poster has himself used gear, and is much stronger much bigger than he was before (but obviously the gear didn’t make much of a difference). Again, the hypocrisy is irritating.
In a perfect world, the guys who haven’t made progress in 2 years would stop pointing fingers about steroid use and realize that they either aren’t eating enough, training hard enough, or both. The steroid users would admit once in a while that “hey, this isn’t for everybody, there are risks, but I have made better progress with them than I would have without”. sry for the rant and I apologize for offending anyone. /end hijack
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
…it is a bit disheartening when many of the more impressive and active posters on this site do in fact take steroids.
The next time you have a headache, don’t take Tylenol. Or when you get a bacterial infection put down the Z-pack. It’s disheartening that you are too soft to achieve your goals without drugs. Hell, why not just ban chemo therapy.
I am not responding to your post because I believe you are referring to me when you use the term “more impressive posters on this site”. Just so you don’t get the wrong impression.
Seriously though. I’d like to hear your rationale for feeling disheartened by well developed steroid users who post on this site. (Does this mean you are OK with steroid users elsewhere? or steroid users with shitty physiques?)
You’re right. I am not one to shy away from legal medicines. If a 40 yr old man wants to undergo hormone replacement therapy under the supervision of a doctor, good for him. I’m happy as long as I beat my log week each week, even if it means my progress comes slower than someone that is on gear. I know that I can eventually reach 4/5/6 on the big 3, and would rather put in extra time and work than take drugs that I do think are risky for someone in their 20’s w/out medical supervision.
However, for every poster that claims that no one can get big w/out steroids and that they will give you “roid rage”, heart attacks, etc… there are plenty of posters that routinely state that the impact that gear has is close to negligible, and deliver the old mantra that “if anything, steroids=more work!”, all the while invalidating the work a smaller guy has put in. All the hypocrisy just gets a little annoying. To use myself as an example, I have taken my DL from 350 to 515 in the last year and added about 30 pounds in the last 4 months, but I’ve probably been referred to as someone who doesn’t look like they lift and lacks work ethic. That’s fine, but I’m not going to let someone tell me that steroids wouldn’t get me from point A to point B considerably faster than without them.
another example… Less than a year ago, one of the bigger posters on this site got into a huge argument with a young bodybuilder who was on prohormones, calling him a cheater. Since then, this poster has himself used gear, and is much stronger much bigger than he was before (but obviously the gear didn’t make much of a difference). Again, the hypocrisy is irritating.
In a perfect world, the guys who haven’t made progress in 2 years would stop pointing fingers about steroid use and realize that they either aren’t eating enough, training hard enough, or both. The steroid users would admit once in a while that “hey, this isn’t for everybody, there are risks, but I have made better progress with them than I would have without”. sry for the rant and I apologize for offending anyone. /end hijack
[/quote]
I agree with most of your post and didnt claim otherwise (regarding the effectiveness of steroids) and my post history will back that up.
Not trying t be a dick but what are you actually disheartened about? The legality of the matter?
I dont think you made the post just to say that you don’t like hipocrisy. No one likes hipocrisy and the good thing is that you won’t find this kind of hipocrite in the steroid forum on this site.
And finally I don’t think you can criticize the “steroids = more work” phrase without knowing what being on AAS actually entails. Obviously one doesn’t need to do more work to get the same results but when one is on AAS more work needs to be done to get the max potential out of the cycle. More work in the kitchen and more work in the gym.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Mod Laurie wrote:
Enough with the pics or we’ll have to move this thread to SAMA.
lol, I’m sorry… It’s addicting, and I have a problem.
Yes, grammar.
The adjective is addictive. Addicting is the transitive verb.
Addicting is the process of becoming addicted to something that is addictive.
So you could write that posting pictures of scantily clad women is addicting you however I am sure that you become addicted to it long ago therefore this would most likely not be true.[/quote]
So… I should have used addictive?
Dude I work with numbers over here, You’re speaking Latin to me right now…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
but it is a bit disheartening when many of the more impressive and active posters on this site do in fact take steroids.
Dude this is a fucking bodybuilding website first and foremost.
I don’t see anyone bitching that football player’s have new concussion saving helmets, or baseball players wear batting gloves. Tiger Woods gets Lasic and his nuts get sucked MORE. WTF is wrong with Bodybuilders making there muscles bigger? Because some dorks in congress think they can distract the sheep we call American’s by turning steroids into the devil?
Glad to see you’ve drank mass media coolaide and hate on steroids too BTW. Christ I know a handful of kids that have done multiple cycles (who don’t know each other) that can’t hold a candle to any of the posters here with muscle. It’s not a fucking magic pill.[/quote]
Football player’s don’t act like they don’t use helmets, and they don’t act like helmets don’t help. Tiger Woods let everyone know that he got lazic. Most of the people on here that are into training are complaining that bodybuilders act like steriods don’t make a massive difference. If you want to correct your analogy, it would be like a football player with a helmet teaching someone without a helmet a proper angle tackle, then telling him a helmet doesn’t make a difference he still had to practice hard everyday. WTF?
People act like having millions means you don’t want to do anything all day. More than half these guys are full of themselves, want to eat out, party hard, make business plans and are human as much as the rest of us. Sticking to proper nutrition is just as difficult, it sure makes it alot easier to make the changes they make using roids and other supplements.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Football player’s don’t act like they don’t use helmets, and they don’t act like helmets don’t help. Tiger Woods let everyone know that he got lazic. [/quote]
You won’t go to jail for openly admitting that to the public.
They make a difference if you know wtf you are doing. I have seen personally examples of people either not knowing, or not putting the effort in, and got dick. I have also seen a few kids get swole as fuck. Which only further proves that you still have to WORK.
But to sit here and be disheartened because a bodybuilder uses AAS is fucking asinine. That is like being disheartened that Lance Armstrong uses the bike he does rather than a Mongoose. Being pissed that Danika Patrick races a F1 car rather than a Honda Civic. (I know nothing about racing.)
That makes zero sense. You do have to practice hard everyday, helmet or not. And you have to tackle correctly, helmet or not. You have to nail all the variables down to makes progress steroids, oops I mean helmet or not.
I think I agree with you up until the last bit. Steroids or not, you still have to bust your ass. Aside from the fact these actors being brought up here aren’t that big. Sly & Arnold, fine. The dude from Greenmile, fine talk shit. But Jackman? Come on, you don’t need shit but food, sweat and iron to get that big.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
…it is a bit disheartening when many of the more impressive and active posters on this site do in fact take steroids.
The next time you have a headache, don’t take Tylenol. Or when you get a bacterial infection put down the Z-pack. It’s disheartening that you are too soft to achieve your goals without drugs. Hell, why not just ban chemo therapy.
I am not responding to your post because I believe you are referring to me when you use the term “more impressive posters on this site”. Just so you don’t get the wrong impression.
Seriously though. I’d like to hear your rationale for feeling disheartened by well developed steroid users who post on this site. (Does this mean you are OK with steroid users elsewhere? or steroid users with shitty physiques?)
You’re right. I am not one to shy away from legal medicines. If a 40 yr old man wants to undergo hormone replacement therapy under the supervision of a doctor, good for him. I’m happy as long as I beat my log week each week, even if it means my progress comes slower than someone that is on gear. I know that I can eventually reach 4/5/6 on the big 3, and would rather put in extra time and work than take drugs that I do think are risky for someone in their 20’s w/out medical supervision.
However, for every poster that claims that no one can get big w/out steroids and that they will give you “roid rage”, heart attacks, etc… there are plenty of posters that routinely state that the impact that gear has is close to negligible, and deliver the old mantra that “if anything, steroids=more work!”, all the while invalidating the work a smaller guy has put in. All the hypocrisy just gets a little annoying. To use myself as an example, I have taken my DL from 350 to 515 in the last year and added about 30 pounds in the last 4 months, but I’ve probably been referred to as someone who doesn’t look like they lift and lacks work ethic. That’s fine, but I’m not going to let someone tell me that steroids wouldn’t get me from point A to point B considerably faster than without them.
another example… Less than a year ago, one of the bigger posters on this site got into a huge argument with a young bodybuilder who was on prohormones, calling him a cheater. Since then, this poster has himself used gear, and is much stronger much bigger than he was before (but obviously the gear didn’t make much of a difference). Again, the hypocrisy is irritating.
In a perfect world, the guys who haven’t made progress in 2 years would stop pointing fingers about steroid use and realize that they either aren’t eating enough, training hard enough, or both. The steroid users would admit once in a while that “hey, this isn’t for everybody, there are risks, but I have made better progress with them than I would have without”. sry for the rant and I apologize for offending anyone. /end hijack
I agree with most of your post and didnt claim otherwise (regarding the effectiveness of steroids) and my post history will back that up.
Not trying t be a dick but what are you actually disheartened about? The legality of the matter?
I dont think you made the post just to say that you don’t like hipocrisy. No one likes hipocrisy and the good thing is that you won’t find this kind of hipocrite in the steroid forum on this site.
And finally I don’t think you can criticize the “steroids = more work” phrase without knowing what being on AAS actually entails. Obviously one doesn’t need to do more work to get the same results but when one is on AAS more work needs to be done to get the max potential out of the cycle. More work in the kitchen and more work in the gym. [/quote]
As far as being disheartened- On reason is that when I first came on this site, I suppose I had unrealistic goals b/c I would see motivational physiques of posters who at the time I believed were natural. It also seems like every week or two, I find out that another one of the big guys at my gym, workplace, and bjj academy are using something.
By no means do I think that I can’t reach their level, but the realization has set in that as a natty with average genetics, it is going to take much longer than I expected to reach my goals. This isn’t so bad because I love the thrill of beating the log book and love lifting. However, when posters on this site are going around telling everyone that food and hard work are the only components and gear isn’t a big part of the equation it gets a little frustrating. You haven’t done that so I shouldn’t have vented my frustration in this thread.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Mod Laurie wrote:
Enough with the pics or we’ll have to move this thread to SAMA.
lol, I’m sorry… It’s addicting, and I have a problem.
Yes, grammar.
The adjective is addictive. Addicting is the transitive verb.
Addicting is the process of becoming addicted to something that is addictive.
So you could write that posting pictures of scantily clad women is addicting you however I am sure that you become addicted to it long ago therefore this would most likely not be true.
So… I should have used addictive?
Dude I work with numbers over here, You’re speaking Latin to me right now…[/quote]
LOL, only busting your balls because it is a pet hate that a lot of Americans use the two incorrectly (and I work with lots of Americans.)
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
However, when posters on this site are going around telling everyone that food and hard work are the only components and gear isn’t a big part of the equation it gets a little frustrating.
[/quote]
But when everyone starts saying “the only reason so-an-so is big is because of roids” or “you’re bigger than me, what drugs you must do” it makes it seem like people actually think you can’t get big without them. Then a thread pops up where people actually believe you have to do drugs to look like Jackman or Bail, it just takes away for the effort some people actually put into this activity.
Aside, with the negative stigma they get in the “normal” world, and every time someone accuses someone else of use, they are branded and evil cheater and a monkey killer in the court of public opinion.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
chitown34 wrote:
However, when posters on this site are going around telling everyone that food and hard work are the only components and gear isn’t a big part of the equation it gets a little frustrating.
But when everyone starts saying “the only reason so-an-so is big is because of roids” or “you’re bigger than me, what drugs you must do” it makes it seem like people actually think you can’t get big without them. Then a thread pops up where people actually believe you have to do drugs to look like Jackman or Bail, it just takes away for the effort some people actually put into this activity.
Aside, with the negative stigma they get in the “normal” world, and every time someone accuses someone else of use, they are branded and evil cheater and a monkey killer in the court of public opinion.[/quote]
True, that’s pretty bad too. If people could meet somewhere in between it would be nice, but it’s always extremes.