Development With No SQUAT/DL

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]purdiver wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but I don’t think you ever explained why you “CAN’T” do lower body exercises other then “it huwrts my wittle knee” Maybe if you told the specifics we would stop inturpreting your “can’t” as “I’m a big pussy”[/quote]

hahha. look at this cunt.

dyou know why i didnt explain?! because its none of your business :stuck_out_tongue: fuck off :slight_smile:

and ummm apologies to T-Nation for what I said there;

jus wanted to say thanks again to the non braindead people around here - I can actually do the leg raise thing, so (although feeling like a woman) im working out at home so I will try. what about attaching the biggest (still tiny :slight_smile: ankle weights I can find and doing them with them?!

and with people saying about hitting the upper body with all I can - yeh that’s basically what I’m trying to do, the main thing is it gets bloody boring lol - especially as hte only decent compound lift I have is bench press or incline bench with bb / db…

Thanks again…

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Can you do a seated military press? try that. As to the leg issue back extensions (1 leg?) you might not have the bench if you’re working at home though. Reverse hypers (same as above) No other real ideas

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[quote]King of Kings wrote:
baretta wrote:
King of Kings wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Relax!

So many big guys just do the bench and curls. So keep up the good work and don’t forget chins/pullups.

Not sure if u are serious what u said but i fully agree.There is no need to train legs if u “cant” or want to.Ive seen monsters that dont train legs and then i see little 150pound midgets saying blah blah blah u have to squat blah u have to deadlift blah blah whenever i hear them say that to some big guys i ask the midgets WHY?

K of K

Yeah, good question. Why do you want to work any muscles besides the beach muscles? I mean, besides chest and biceps, what other muscle groups do you need to get huge? being a super huge guy is very hard, but not as hard as being a complete ass.

Let me guess mate…u are a 150 pound midget? “lol”
Look take it easy i was just saying if u have no need to train legs then WHY must u?.Im not saying i dont,a lot comes down to genetics.One of my buddies has never done a squat in his life and his legs are huge.
So why would he want to get his legs bigger? he has a hard enough time getting a nice pair of pants to fit comfy on him.So he just sticks with a all upperbody split.Works great for him.

Peace

K of K

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What are you talking about pants for?? the OP said he can’t train legs because of an injury, not because he didn’t want to, and he is trying to find a way around it. Even when he’s injured he still wants to do lower body work. So good for him, shows dedication, unlike the guys that advocate working the showy muscles. Who cares how big you are if you’re walking around on toothpicks. Thats just plain silly.

Why are you hating on the “150lb midgets” for. Got some issues’ there or what? My buddy went back in time and arm wrestled jesus christ. I can say it, but it doesn’t make it true.

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[quote]millasur wrote:

hahha. look at this cunt.
although feeling like a woman
what about attaching the biggest (still tiny :slight_smile: ankle weights I can find and doing them with them?!

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Oh, that’s good. You’re the one who’s being a pussy and you call me a cunt. In your own words you’re feeling like a woman. All that and you’re wanting to get a work out by using ankle weights.

Go buy some vagisil for your bum knee, stop prancing around with ankle weights and rehab your knee so you can do a balanced workout.

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[quote]baretta wrote:
… My buddy went back in time and arm wrestled jesus christ. …

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Before or after the crucifixion? I imagine it would be hard to armwrestle with a big nail hole in the hand.

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[quote]purdiver wrote:
Oh, that’s good. You’re the one who’s being a pussy and you call me a cunt. In your own words you’re feeling like a woman. All that and you’re wanting to get a work out by using ankle weights.

Go buy some vagisil for your bum knee, stop prancing around with ankle weights and rehab your knee so you can do a balanced workout.
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Unfortunately, I’m not “being a pussy”; n I have an operation scheduled to get shitloads of metalwork removed from my leg (that’s all the info you ghet, my situation and experiences are none of your business. I’d be surprised if you could even comprehend it).

I hope you enjoy the fun you obviously ghet from trolling forums from behind your computer screen, and I hope you die slowly, horribly, and painfully :slight_smile: Or perhaps if you’re lucky you’ll ghet crushed by an oil tanker or something?! One can only dream eh… Anyways, thanks very much for your enjoyable ramblings, now please fuck off.

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Wow, strong anger problems.

I would suggest trying to see if you can do static holds for your legs. Like ski sits against a wall. May not be much but at least it would be something.

Ignoring your murderous rage, I do feel bad for your recent developments. I’m guessing 2006 will not be going down as your best year.

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As others have said. Upper body should be all good.

You should also be able to add some stiff legged deadlifts as there is no bending of the legs involved.

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[quote]millasur wrote:
and with people saying about hitting the upper body with all I can - yeh that’s basically what I’m trying to do, the main thing is it gets bloody boring lol - especially as hte only decent compound lift I have is bench press or incline bench with bb / db…
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I’ve hurt my knees, ankles before. not serious injury that need operation.
but during those times, i’ll focus on bringing up my weak bodyparts for my upper body, most of the time i focus on my delts and arms when training at home, and i’ve no bench or Incline bench.

And i can do a lot of different exercises with dumbbells and EZ-bar.
you only focus on compound exercises?
how about doing some isolation exercises? i can come up with a lot of them…

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you can’t squat? Man, that must make going to the bathroom or sitting a chair pretty challenging.

Just because you can’t go heavy doesn’t mean you can’t squat, we do it everyday.

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Are you able to get in any type of running or sprinting? If it hurts a lot, don’t do it, but if not, give it a try. I’m not suggesting you runn a marathon- endurance running would probably make your situation worse. However, maybe some sprinting could give you the leg work you need and perhaps strengthen those joints.

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Hey, I just thought of something else, hopefully you can use.

If your issues are with only one leg, there has been studies that work on just one leg, transfers over to the other one, just not as much.

I don’t know if you can do these or not, but one leg squats would be good, and you don’t need much external weight (if any at all) to get work in the lower rep ranges.

The ankle weights was a good idea, but like you were saying, they don’t usually offer much weight. You can also try a heavy chain, or a rope with something hanging from it, and laying on your side on a bench with the weight hanging off the end.

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[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
do you perhaps have oskar-shclotters?
I think I spelled it wrong, but two guys from my school had that problem.[/quote]

OSGOOD SCHLATTER is a childhood disease

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
you can’t squat? Man, that must make going to the bathroom or sitting a chair pretty challenging.

Just because you can’t go heavy doesn’t mean you can’t squat, we do it everyday.[/quote]

umm no, cos i put all my weight on the other leg… (eg i cant squat fully one on leg, but i can support myself most of the way then jus a little with the other leg…)

so yeh, the really challenging stuff is when I cant use my other leg, eg stairs and watnot. so generally i go upstairs using the good leg.

YOU squat every day, because you can, it’s not something you think about. When you don’t HAVE that injury, you can’t “imagine” how people do without doing that - some of us do.

…I don’t tink people are UNDERSTANDING me when I say any kind of movement that also involves supporting weight etc at a bent knee is very painful, so yes, squatting, stairs, etc, all fuckin painful lol.

Does me saying “no I CAN’T squat” actually read “yes, I can and should do loads of leg exercise?!” lolo :\

And yes, I could squat v light / deadlift v light etc, but then Id jus be working through the pain, which is probably not particularly useful or good for me?!

The point of hte post was because I want to work out for strength / mass (hence why i complained about only being able to bench/one compound exercise etc) - umm so if isolation exercises would be beneficial to use then I spose I should do them?! However, I DO want to use my time as EFFECTIVELY as possible…

And thanks to the other comments / suggestions, erm running is doable but not very nice, and sprinting is … well i did it once, and i dont plan on doing it again lol :slight_smile:

Thanks again… tonight looks like another workout of bench / row / shrugs / shoulder press lol… :frowning:

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millasur,

GJ keeping your chin up and wanting to continue training. I’m amazed at all the armchair doctors that “know” all about your injury and abilities.

Jesus, H. guys… are you just pulling theories out of your asses? Equating sitting to the act of squatting is simply amazing.

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I agree with the guy above me. give the guy a rest, damn.

to the OP, you know what you can and can’t do, so take the good advice and leave the rest obviously.

can you do farmer’s walks speed-style? good upper-lower body stimulation that KIND of mimics the full body stimulation of sq/dls.

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oh, I see you can sprint, excellent.

DO IT. very good for fast twitch muscle development (not specifically, but that is of course what it uses mostly, so of course it will hit those fibers hard). check out TC’s sprint program.

also try sled dragging type stuff. I am a big fan of pushing my car for about 4 sets of 20-30 seconds at max effort.

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bonjour,

guess first off I owe purdiver an apology for my overreaction - on a real though, there’s nothing more fucking annoying than stating what you need /want etc and having people throw 100% useless comments at you, as someone else said - everyone thinks they’re a doctor/knows best here!

Anyways - thanks for all hte suggestions, one final question.

Currently I’m just working out monday /wednesday / Friday or saturday. could I step this up or not?!

for example yesterday I did (supersets for the /)

Bench / Hammer Curl
Scap push ups / dips

As I said originally, I prefer compound movements as I feel I’m working harder, but the only decent one i can do is bench/ row (didn’t row l nite as leg is particularly bad so didn’t want to be supporting any major weight :frowning: )… so would it be worth me working out 2nite as well, n doing a diff selection (say military press / shrugs /lateral raises or something like that)

or should I just leave it until wednesday comes around… (basically im saying how much benefit would i gain from doin a short set of weights with no compound exercises. I’m only training for mass…)

Thanks…

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dude,
feel bad about your disability.
just keep in mind when you venture to post on a public web site, youre gonna get all kinds. not that this excuses the less mentally gifted of us, but just keep it in mind.
next,
it dosnt sound like you are healed yet, so why worry too much about it?
i mean if you are going into surgery to have metal removed then you will at least go through a healing time for that.
but after that are you going to go through therapy?
if thats the plan that you and your doc have, i would just wait to see what the outcome of that (therapy) is.
you know by pushing it now, you may be damaging yourself even more.
i kinda know where youre coming from as i had my left knee shattered in a heavy truck wreck. that was 20 some years ago. still have problems but am at least managing to do modified deadlifts and ft squats. after twenty some years up to a whopping 145 on the ft squats and around 400-405 on the deads, i just cant do em off the floor but have to be about 3 inches up. well im not in competition anyway so what the hell right?
hopefully in time you will be able to head in the direction that you want to go.
btw 4 years in a wheel chair and left thigh still pretty atrophied compared to the right.
but life goes on and you will get better with age.
good luck to ya.

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Millasur,

People are asking for details because it goes to the very heart of your question. There are a range of knee and thigh injuries, each with their own limitations. With more information, those with the knowledge would be able to help you all the more. There is never a catch all answer and personal issues DO come into it.

You are of course entitled to provide as much or as little information about your condition as you want, however you have to remember that people here who answer you are doing you a service for free. They have no responsibility to give it and you have no right to it. Yes there are some dickheads on this site, however your general attitude is not impressive and will do you no favours here.

Saying that something is “none of our fucking business”, implying that the majority of the posters here are idiots, or even inferring that bodybuilders in general are stupid (which you did), will win you no friends and only bring you either an antagonistic response or no response at all.

I have no idea of who you are as a person. Perhaps you are a jerk, perhaps you are impatient, perhaps you have a large emotional response to your condition. Perhaps you are actually a really nice guy and we caught you at a bad time.

In any case you should be doubly thankful to those who have taken time out of their lives to help you, as they have done it despite your attitude, not because of it.