[quote]Scott M wrote:
I’m sure you could school people on what studies have shown works best for hypertrophy but if they dwarf you by 50+ lbs of LBM mass maybe you should put the books down and pick up a steak and get strong.
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Yeah, that about sums it all up!
Thanks a lot Scott, I really appreciate your thoughts. It’ll still be a while before I do DC, but I’ve learned a lot from the “Trying DoggCrapp” thread and have started applying it.
[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:
Glad to hear this. Because I plan to begin training DC in 11 weeks. Currently, I am running Westside for Skinny Bastards III and I am not technically a “young guy” at 26, but I am farily newbish with only 14 months of training under my belt. [/quote]
To stop you here, WS4SB is a solid program and I’d run that with necessary tweaks(changing exercises when they stall) for a long while. I see DC as a program people should run only if their current one isn’t up to par. That’s not the case with yours.
Your split looks fine if you choose to do DC with it downt he road. Extreme stretch descriptions can be found but the only rule is that you must find a position that stresses the muscle and not pu you in a dangerous position injury wise.
Dante made a thread just a few days ago about people going crazy with the stretches and hurting themselves, don’t be that guy lol. If you still have issue with them let me know and I’ll send you some descriptions that should set you on the right path.
Thanks for the thoughts, Scott. I’ll continue with WS4SB for a while longer. Been on it for a couple months as is and plan to keep it for at least 3 more months. I’ll reevaluate at that time, but that is when I will probably switch to DC. But one way or the other, it will either be WS4SB or DC.
[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:
Thanks for the thoughts, Scott. I’ll continue with WS4SB for a while longer. Been on it for a couple months as is and plan to keep it for at least 3 more months. I’ll reevaluate at that time, but that is when I will probably switch to DC. But one way or the other, it will either be WS4SB or DC.[/quote]
If you’ve only been on WS4SB for a couple months, you should probably be able to continue gaining on it for quite a while longer (much longer than 3 more months if your diet is in order).
See, you guys are a perfect example of another reason I hold the DC faithful in high regard. Nobody ever tells anybody there’s no other way to make good progress, at least not in the majority. Nothing turns people off like somebody acting like they have the one and only way to get anything done.
A few questions about DC:
When you take a cruise after a blast - where do you restart on the next blast? Can you just pick up the exercises where you left off strength-wise, or will you be dropping back a bit on the starting weight?
[quote]wirewound wrote:
A few questions about DC:
When you take a cruise after a blast - where do you restart on the next blast? Can you just pick up the exercises where you left off strength-wise, or will you be dropping back a bit on the starting weight?[/quote]
It depends on the individual, the exercise, and the blast/cruise.
Personally I like to drop back (maybe to the second to last weight I used on an exercise), increase the reps and then go from there. One thing that causes some people to stagnate on an exercise prematurely is that they pick a weight that they can only get close to the bottom of the rep range with. So, they wind up having less wiggle room and thus plateauing faster.
Dante suggests picking a weight that you can get the top of the rep range with to start. That way as the weight increases and the reps gradually begin to fall (which they will) you’ll be able to keep that exercise longer and continue gaining on it.
Dropping back down after a blast is a good way of doing this, in my DC experience anyways.
Rest-Pause is a good tool. I prefer muscle rounds though which are a “smarter” way to do rest pause. More reps, similar or better load, and less CNS fatigue.
Take 8-10 RM
And this can be done for multiple series (usually 2-4 run throughs)
You get 15-16 reps per series with your 8-10rm and you feel less CNS fatigue. quote]Tiribulus wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
I think rest-pause training is pretty underrated. >>>
This is something I was very wrong about. Rest Pause is quite underrated.[/quote]
I am wondering if anyone can explain to me what the difference is between taking 30-40 seconds inbetween the first and second, and second and third sets and calling it “rest pause,” and the long standing bb’ing practice going back to the Golden Age at least of taking 30-40 seconds between the sets, but calling them three sets and not using the phrase “rest pause” ???
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I am wondering if anyone can explain to me what the difference is between taking 30-40 seconds inbetween the first and second, and second and third sets and calling it “rest pause,” and the long standing bb’ing practice going back to the Golden Age at least of taking 30-40 seconds between the sets, but calling them three sets and not using the phrase “rest pause” ???[/quote]
Semantics?
Seriously though, one of the key principles of DC’s “rest-pause” is that you are taking deep breaths in an attempt to partially recovery some of the oxygen debt that you just built up during your “set”; where as that isn’t heavily (if at all) emphasized with the “traditional” method.
So, you are still using incomplete rest periods, but due to the deep breaths can probably get more on your second and third legs of the RP set than you could if you just sat there and watched the seconds tick by.
There is also a focus on the total number of reps completed rather than specific numbers of reps per set like the traditional method. So, you’re basically just trying to get as many reps as possible in 3 attempts at the weight (shooting for a range of total reps). In the traditional method you’d be aiming to try to get say 3 sets of 8 repetitions and (depending on what program you’re doing/author you’re listening to) you might not increase weight until you got all 3 sets of 8, which slows down strength progression.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I am wondering if anyone can explain to me what the difference is between taking 30-40 seconds inbetween the first and second, and second and third sets and calling it “rest pause,” and the long standing bb’ing practice going back to the Golden Age at least of taking 30-40 seconds between the sets, but calling them three sets and not using the phrase “rest pause” ???[/quote]
The difference is that we’re bigger than they got back then.
All in the power of the words used, my friend 
I so wish I could get you to take a little tour through Dresden with me. People here are so impossibly incompetent when it comes to the proper use of the English language (as well as their own), you’d have a goddamn field day… Every day.
I’m not knocking the system (as I think you know I am not.) It is clearly effective.
I do think it has become somewhat cultic. This probably is not by any intent of Dante.
By his own account he put together things that he found in common among successful bodybuilders over time. One of these things is keeping the rest this short.
What is strange is that so many act as if there is something novel and totally different about using such rest periods. Certainly it might be novel and totally different to them, relative to their former methods, but it is a classic bodybuilding method. But they called it doing three sets with brief rest.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I’m not knocking the system (as I think you know I am not.) It is clearly effective.
I do think it has become somewhat cultic. This probably is not by any intent of Dante.
By his own account he put together things that he found in common among successful bodybuilders over time. One of these things is keeping the rest this short.
What is strange is that so many act as if there is something novel and totally different about using such rest periods. Certainly it might be novel and totally different to them, relative to their former methods, but it is a classic bodybuilding method. But they called it doing three sets with brief rest.[/quote]
LOLz.
What is funny is arguing with people who think their “brand new state of the art program” is actually new.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
I’m not knocking the system (as I think you know I am not.) It is clearly effective.
I do think it has become somewhat cultic. This probably is not by any intent of Dante.
By his own account he put together things that he found in common among successful bodybuilders over time. One of these things is keeping the rest this short.
What is strange is that so many act as if there is something novel and totally different about using such rest periods. Certainly it might be novel and totally different to them, relative to their former methods, but it is a classic bodybuilding method. But they called it doing three sets with brief rest.
LOLz.
What is funny is arguing with people who think their “brand new state of the art program” is actually new.[/quote]
speak for yourself, I developed this new idea of inclining your sets. You know, working your way up in weight, I’ll explain it later once I get the equations set
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
I’m not knocking the system (as I think you know I am not.) It is clearly effective.
I do think it has become somewhat cultic. This probably is not by any intent of Dante.
By his own account he put together things that he found in common among successful bodybuilders over time. One of these things is keeping the rest this short.
What is strange is that so many act as if there is something novel and totally different about using such rest periods. Certainly it might be novel and totally different to them, relative to their former methods, but it is a classic bodybuilding method. But they called it doing three sets with brief rest.
LOLz.
What is funny is arguing with people who think their “brand new state of the art program” is actually new.
speak for yourself, I developed this new idea of inclining your sets. You know, working your way up in weight, I’ll explain it later once I get the equations set
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Ha!
Brr personally I’d say, it’s simple. First I just incorporated some of those stretchings. Also, as my training slipped more towards a low-volume approach, I even may decide to give it a shot.
Whenever I do only one heavy set with static hold and perhaps 1-2 negative at the end I feel spent completely. So I do think that one set can be enough, if someone pushes himself beyond his limits. I always ramp up the weight, though I only do few (6-8) reps with the lighter weight just to be “fired up” for the one final set. For me, training with few work sets is superior to those volume-oriented trainings…
So I honestly believe, that it’s all about just pushing yourself hard… I know some guys who dare not to tax themselves more than they “feel comfortable”, yet they’re doing something like 8 work sets without dropping a sweat… and they end up without or with very little progress…
Bill, I’d say the one possible advantage that jumps out is density. I’ve used EDT with 30-40s rests between antagonists and RP on the rounds I mention above. Both are very effective for hypertrophy in the end. It all goes back to Gironda. Take as many deep breaths as you need and let your strength density improve with the load in question. As work capacity improves so does average load lifted as well as training density.
Same concept, different methods.
DH
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I am wondering if anyone can explain to me what the difference is between taking 30-40 seconds inbetween the first and second, and second and third sets and calling it “rest pause,” and the long standing bb’ing practice going back to the Golden Age at least of taking 30-40 seconds between the sets, but calling them three sets and not using the phrase “rest pause” ???[/quote]
To be fair here, X, Dante doesn’t make that claim. He and Phil Hernon have very similar philosophies and he devised his early principles from Phil and others. Now, some of the advocates (usually the younger ones) may make it seem cultish, but Dante himself doesn’t make this mistake.
DH
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
I’m not knocking the system (as I think you know I am not.) It is clearly effective.
I do think it has become somewhat cultic. This probably is not by any intent of Dante.
By his own account he put together things that he found in common among successful bodybuilders over time. One of these things is keeping the rest this short.
What is strange is that so many act as if there is something novel and totally different about using such rest periods. Certainly it might be novel and totally different to them, relative to their former methods, but it is a classic bodybuilding method. But they called it doing three sets with brief rest.
LOLz.
What is funny is arguing with people who think their “brand new state of the art program” is actually new.[/quote]
[quote]DH wrote:
To be fair here, X, Dante doesn’t make that claim. He and Phil Hernon have very similar philosophies and he devised his early principles from Phil and others. Now, some of the advocates (usually the younger ones) may make it seem cultish, but Dante himself doesn’t make this mistake.
DH
Professor X wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
I’m not knocking the system (as I think you know I am not.) It is clearly effective.
I do think it has become somewhat cultic. This probably is not by any intent of Dante.
By his own account he put together things that he found in common among successful bodybuilders over time. One of these things is keeping the rest this short.
What is strange is that so many act as if there is something novel and totally different about using such rest periods. Certainly it might be novel and totally different to them, relative to their former methods, but it is a classic bodybuilding method. But they called it doing three sets with brief rest.
LOLz.
What is funny is arguing with people who think their “brand new state of the art program” is actually new.
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I’ve known about Doggcrap since he was first posting randomly on a bodybuilding forum and was just forming the concept. I am aware that he himself doesn’t act that way…but fanboys in “fitness” and “bodybuilding” seem to be growing in both number and the ability to irritate.
Those who act as if it is a cult are dumbasses who likely are not making anywhere near the progress of those who simply see it as a tool to reach a goal among many others.