How's This For Mass?

Along with a massive eating program, how is this lifting routine:

Monday-
Squats (20 rep)
Stiff leg deads
abs

Wednesday
Bench press
Incline bench press
cable crossover

Friday
Tbar rows
chins (how ever many sets to get 30)
bent over rows
close grip pulldowns
rack pulls

Rep range will vary. I thought about supersetting the cable crossovers with pullovers and I dont know if i want to do tris with chest and bis with back or vice versa. Also I may throw about 15 min. on the treadmill one of those days just to stay a little lean. Any suggestions?

Ok. I see no direct shoulder, biceps, triceps or calves work. I also only see 3 days of lifting. Looks pretty bad to me.

Unless you have VERY short arms and legs, have shoulders that grow very easily and are EXTREMELY strong it doesn’t look good.

add a shoulder day, add biceps to back day and add triceps to chest day. Put shoulders after chest and tricep training.

Why would anyone serious about this design a program that only has them in the gym 3 days a week?

You look like a “fitness trainer” on 3 days a week. It takes more than that to reach the goal of many in this forum.

Yea, I dont like it. I would also suggest hitting everything twice a week has hepled me add over 25 pounds since july

Whatever.

It’s not a program, it’s a collection of exercises. I suggest reading Thib’s forum posts or some threads in the t-cell…

[quote]PFDFireMan wrote:
Along with a massive eating program, how is this lifting routine:

Monday
Squats (20 rep)
Stiff leg deads
abs

Wednesday
Bench press
Incline bench press
cable crossover

Friday
Tbar rows
chins (how ever many sets to get 30)
bent over rows
close grip pulldowns
rack pulls

Rep range will vary. I thought about supersetting the cable crossovers with pullovers and I dont know if i want to do tris with chest and bis with back or vice versa. Also I may throw about 15 min. on the treadmill one of those days just to stay a little lean. Any suggestions?
[/quote]

Add a calve exercise and an additional quad or ham exercise on leg day.

Remove the crossover and add a tri exercise, maybe 2.

Remove 2 back exercises and add 1 or 2 bicep exercises.

Add additional delt work on both back and chest day.

You see how clustered things are? Perhaps a better split would help. C_C came up with some good 3 way splits in the T Cell Complicated training systems thread, go have a look at them.

[quote]bluefingas wrote:
You’re not hitting every muscle 2x a week, so this is not a good program.[/quote]

Since when is this required?

LOL. Some of you are just doing shit just to be doing it. Unless you are training everything twice a week because THAT WORKS FOR YOU, simply training everything twice for no reason is NOT a good routine.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bluefingas wrote:
You’re not hitting every muscle 2x a week, so this is not a good program.[/quote]

Since when is this required?

LOL. Some of you are just doing shit just to be doing it. Unless you are training everything twice a week because THAT WORKS FOR YOU, simply training everything twice for no reason is NOT a good routine.[/quote]

A little monkey repeating something he read somewhere (he probably got it from CT and Perfect rep) without understanding anything. This is the worst thing we can have on this forum and it looks like we get more of this lately.

Strength and mass is best build doing big compound movements such as squat, presses, rows and deadlift. If done properly and with maximum strength those can’t be done more than once a week, maybe twice every two weeks, because of the stress they place on your body.

Now compound movements need to be supported by various muscle groups. Squat works well only if your core works and bench press is done better if your shoulders and triceps don’t lack behind. Deadlift is great when you feel the burn not only in your back but in your hamstrings too.
Chest actually rests on top of the ribcage which can be stretched by doing dumbell pullovers.

Then there are various techniques. You can perform exercises back to back i.e. train biceps one set, triceps one set and again for a total of three times. This is said to have an effect in the agonist and antagonist muscles when trained so that it is more effective than when trained as individual muscles. You could train your back the same day as your chest though this can be difficult if done proper technique and max force.

Cable exercises with machines or so don’t stress stabilizer muscles used when using free weights but I think are good for a soft landing when leaving the gym and in some cases for really focusing on a body part i.e. upper pecs in a smith machine.

When thinking about all this there are some problems in your routine but nothing that can’t be fixed. First you could tell us how long you have trained so that we can evaluate if your nervous system is able to handle big weigths and high volume. Full body training is usually suggested for beginners. Remember also that fast twitch muscle fibers are trained differently than slow twitch fibers. For bodybuilding purposes you should be training both fiber types because mass and strength go hand in hand and a nice muscle separation is always eye pleasing for aesthetic purposes. Strength is nice for beating up people and showing off.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bluefingas wrote:
You’re not hitting every muscle 2x a week, so this is not a good program.[/quote]

Since when is this required?

LOL. Some of you are just doing shit just to be doing it. Unless you are training everything twice a week because THAT WORKS FOR YOU, simply training everything twice for no reason is NOT a good routine.[/quote]

Yeah, Skip La Cour and Dorian Yates did the wrong thing; they trained each muscle group once per week.

What about dc you only train 3x a week?

[quote]blades wrote:
What about dc you only train 3x a week?[/quote]

I’m not discrediting DC; it has worked for some. But a FRACTION OF A PERCENT of successful bodybuilders use DC.

Nearly all bodybuilders do the same shit. I wrote the bodybuilding bible in about 7 guidelines in the “Youtube: Scott Abel” thread. Unfortunately, I can’t sell about 300 words of text as an e-book for 50 bucks!

Read this:

Think about the 3x per week thing.

Read what you can find in the T-Cell Alpha. (Which I now consider a great idea; a place free from stupid questions from people like me. Much more pleasant to read.)

If still in doubt about split ideas, read this:

[quote]juanke wrote:
Strength and mass is best build doing big compound movements[/quote]

Strength and mass is best built BY DOING EVERYTHING. That includes ‘compound’ AND ‘isolation’ movements.

Looks like Juanke is the first misguided poster of the '10 class, congrats man!

[quote]juanke wrote:
Strength and mass is best build doing big compound movements such as squat, presses, rows and deadlift. If done properly and with maximum strength those can’t be done more than once a week, maybe twice every two weeks, because of the stress they place on your body.

Now compound movements need to be supported by various muscle groups. Squat works well only if your core works and bench press is done better if your shoulders and triceps don’t lack behind. Deadlift is great when you feel the burn not only in your back but in your hamstrings too.
Chest actually rests on top of the ribcage which can be stretched by doing dumbell pullovers.

Then there are various techniques. You can perform exercises back to back i.e. train biceps one set, triceps one set and again for a total of three times. This is said to have an effect in the agonist and antagonist muscles when trained so that it is more effective than when trained as individual muscles. You could train your back the same day as your chest though this can be difficult if done proper technique and max force.

Cable exercises with machines or so don’t stress stabilizer muscles used when using free weights but I think are good for a soft landing when leaving the gym and in some cases for really focusing on a body part i.e. upper pecs in a smith machine.

When thinking about all this there are some problems in your routine but nothing that can’t be fixed. First you could tell us how long you have trained so that we can evaluate if your nervous system is able to handle big weigths and high volume. Full body training is usually suggested for beginners. Remember also that fast twitch muscle fibers are trained differently than slow twitch fibers. For bodybuilding purposes you should be training both fiber types because mass and strength go hand in hand and a nice muscle separation is always eye pleasing for aesthetic purposes. Strength is nice for beating up people and showing off.[/quote]

How’s this for a more condensed and accurate version of what every damn successful bodybuilder does and has ever done:

2 to 4 exercises per muscle group.
Frequency: 2 to 3 times per week per muscle group.
Body split up over 3 to 6 sessions, depending on frequency and number of muscles trainer per session.
2 to 3 muscles trained at each session.
Sets and reps: Warm up and ramp up to 1 to 2 all-out blast sets of 6 to 15 reps - depending on what you grow best from.
2 to 4 exercises per muscle group, including both compound and isolation exercises. Large muscles usually get 2 compound and 1 or 2 isolation exercises and small ones usually get 1 or 2 compound exercises and 1 or 2 isolation exercises.
STEADY-STATE Cardio as need for in- and off-season for 20 to 60 minutes. YEAH, that’s right - NO fucking intervals, kettlebell complexes, sandbag hauling, or anything else that 240+ pound bodybuilders NEVER do!

That’s. Fucking. It!

Show me one goddamn bodybuilder–including IFBB competitors–that do or even fucking THINK of anything else! Granted this shit ain’t sexy or overly interesting, and I can’t charge 50 to 300 bucks for an article or book because I wrote what everyone does in SIX guidelines!

If newbies and T-tards followed these guidelines, they’d save a whole lot of time and emotional and intellectual energy and would spare themselves from endless meditating and quibbling and writing and talking about the dumbest shit on earth!

It would put a fucking end to dumb threads like:

“I think the key to mass is in drinking a gallon of milk per day. What do you all think?”
“I’m revamping my program”. (There would be no need for revamping if one follows these guidelines - rather they would be ADJUSTING).
“Is this program good for mass?”
“What do you all think of Turkish getups and complexes for bodybuilding?” (We think nothing! Bodybuilders don’t do Turkish getups or complexes, don’t need to, nor should they!)
“I’m thinking of cutting during a 1-week deload phase.” (Have fun trying to get “cut” in one week, sucker!)
“I’m gonna experiment with the Olympic lifts because 1 in every 1,000 O-lifters can win a bodybuilding show. What do you guys think?” (We don’t think about Olympic lifting.)
And so on and so on!

Let’s get back to how to make a goddamn workout. Let’s use chest for example, using some of the guidelines above. It’s a big muscle group. So let’s use 4 exercises - 2 compound and 2 isolation. Watch how I work my magic!

Incline barbell bench press
Flat dumbbell press
Incline flys
Pec-deck flys

(Tell me I’m a fucking genius or what, folks!)

Now I’m going to further show off my genius by showing you how to warm up and ramp up to a working set in a big lift like the incline barbell bench press. We’ll use 300 pounds as the all-out blast set. The workout calls for 4 sets of 6 to 8 reps. If this shit is beyond you people, PM me and I’ll try to help you interpret third-grade-level writing, math, and logic.

Warmup sets
95 x 15 reps
135 x 10 to 12 reps
185 x 6 to 8 reps
205 x 6 to 8 reps

Ramp-up sets
225 x 6 to 8 reps
245 x 6 to 8 reps
275 x 6 to 8 reps

All-out blast set
300 x 6 to 8 reps

Tell me I’m not a fucking genius!

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would anyone serious about this design a program that only has them in the gym 3 days a week?

You look like a “fitness trainer” on 3 days a week. It takes more than that to reach the goal of many in this forum.[/quote]

Hey X,
I normally agree with you on many issues, but I have to say that empirical evidence itself disagrees with your above statement. While I don’t personally train only 3 days a week (and agree that the OP’s proposed “program” isn’t any good), there have been quite a few successful and massive bodybuilders who have built their body DCing, which is inherently a three days a week program. Minority? Maybe. But the goals of many on this forum could be reached using a 3 days a week template, if training variables are properly managed.

Just my $.02.