[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
BTW Steely - this was the video I was referring to last night.[/quote]
LOL @ “husky”
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
BTW Steely - this was the video I was referring to last night.[/quote]
LOL @ “husky”[/quote]
Haha, my biggest qualm with getting softer (even if it means more muscle gain) is the paid in the ass and expense of buying all new clothes…again.
This is the bodybuilding section right? I thought this is the section where we focus on form because we are driven by progress in our bodies, not our stats.
No disrespect OP but I use about 60 pounds less than you for a 10rep and I am easily much bigger than you. You might want to think about what your priorities are when you lift.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]David1991 wrote:
Regarding anyone rowing 170+ like that…this isn’t a knock at SteelyD, just what I could find, but what is this seems like way less range of motion and the range of motion that is there is basically a bounce (skip to 2:30)[/quote]
Just saw this. Handsome guy in the vid.
So, the deal is, at least for me, is that at that point - the top set - I’ve done a fuckton of work already. The ROM is going to go down considerably because you don’t just casually pull that weight up and lightly set it down.
I don’t know what you mean by ‘bounce’. There is constant tension on my lat during these. There’s some hitching there, and whether it looks like it or not, I’m getting the contraction at the top and resisting it coming down, which is the point.
My lats SCREAM when I overload them like that with heavy DB rows. Also note that I’m supporting myself at a higher angle as well, which is going to change the ROM and the way I hit my back. I change that up depending on how my lower back feels and what I did previously.
Form doesn’t have to be pretty on these. Remember: Means to an end.
Most of my back growth is from DB rows and more recently chest supported TBars. I don’t do BB rows.
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Well you would know what’s best for you better than I would, but it just looks to me like such a limited ROM with a bounce there.
Mr Popular: I guess I’m just missing the significant different between my rows (at least the first 5-6) and Kroc’s. I’m not at all saying my form is perfect, but in comparison to Kroc I don’t really see how what I’m doing is all that different. It looks like roughly the same amount of momentum and range of motion to me.
I guess I’ll just stick the same weight anyway though and work on improving form more which would technically still be progress if I can put more stress on the lats.
[quote]David1991 wrote:
Mr Popular: I guess I’m just missing the significant different between my rows (at least the first 5-6) and Kroc’s. I’m not at all saying my form is perfect, but in comparison to Kroc I don’t really see how what I’m doing is all that different. It looks like roughly the same amount of momentum and range of motion to me.
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Watch your video again, and look at how you start each rep with leg drive then hip drive then start pulling. Now watch Kroc, he only uses a small amount of hip drive and then turns his shoulders a little at the top. That’s the difference in form.
Does it look like Kroc is suffering by “cheating?” No, he knows how to activate the right muscles in his back, and he is using some big weights. That’s why he is huge.
[quote]cdubs wrote:
This is the bodybuilding section right? I thought this is the section where we focus on form because we are driven by progress in our bodies, not our stats.
No disrespect OP but I use about 60 pounds less than you for a 10rep and I am easily much bigger than you. You might want to think about what your priorities are when you lift. [/quote]
How would it disrespect the OP that you are using half the weight he is? I am guessing he could at least do a SUPER strict set with 90s if not 100s.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
BTW Steely - this was the video I was referring to last night.[/quote]
LOL @ “husky”[/quote]
Haha, my biggest qualm with getting softer (even if it means more muscle gain) is the paid in the ass and expense of buying all new clothes…again.[/quote]
You know, the thing is that it’s all a comfort level. I tend to have a blocky physique as I store all the excess right in my gut, and probably the significant portion probably being visceral as I’m not ‘jiggly’, just smooth. My gut protrudes because I have a fuckton of food in me all the time. I can feel my abs just beneath the skin.
Again, I’ll take the gains for now. I dropped 70# a few years ago and it was wicked easier than putting on this muscle. I’ll take it for another year or two, then think about it. I have weeks here and there where I’m forced to tighten up with food, so it’s self regulating.
That row video was me at my biggest (at the time) at the New Year. I actually leaned out a bit from there up until about a month ago when I started pushing it again with food and workout volume.
OP- again, you need to figure out what works for you. We can discuss ‘textbook’ form all day, but the reality is, if your goal is a bigger back and it’s not growing with ‘textbook form rows’, then you need to re-evaluate whether that form is working for you (assuming all other things, like sufficient food, are in check).
Look at Akuma in the TCell. He’s a big kid. He (apparently) does lots of partial rep press work. He got big. It works for him.
On the other side of the coin, my gym is FULL of people who row db’s with ‘textbook form’. In fact, they’ve been rowing the same 40 lb db’s with textbook form for years now…
I’m not going to call anyone out, but for some of those giving advice in the BB forums lately, I’m pretty disappointed at the ‘proven back size/strength’ of the posters.
I video certain lifts of mine so that I can evaluate form, progress, etc. and I don’t claim textbook pretty lifts on any of my vids. I was mildly entertained to see one in this thread.
Having said that, the OP can at least see where I’m coming from. I’ve started pretty much ignoring anyone who gives out ‘advice’ without pics or vids. I was recently seriously let down by someone who I thought (assumed) was a big motherfucker who hasn’t really made much progress at all.
OP- Consider the ‘advice’ you receive carefully. That’s all I’m saying. I think I’ve gotten it down to about 8 regulars whose advice actually matters (to me) in the BB forum. Kudos to you for posting a vid.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I’m not going to call anyone out, but for some of those giving advice in the BB forums lately, I’m pretty disappointed at the ‘proven back size/strength’ of the posters.
I video certain lifts of mine so that I can evaluate form, progress, etc. and I don’t claim textbook pretty lifts on any of my vids. I was mildly entertained to see one in this thread.
Having said that, the OP can at least see where I’m coming from. I’ve started pretty much ignoring anyone who gives out ‘advice’ without pics or vids. I was recently seriously let down by someone who I thought (assumed) was a big motherfucker who hasn’t really made much progress at all.
OP- Consider the ‘advice’ you receive carefully. That’s all I’m saying. I think I’ve gotten it down to about 8 regulars whose advice actually matters (to me) in the BB forum. Kudos to you for posting a vid.[/quote]
Best fucking post
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I’m not going to call anyone out, but for some of those giving advice in the BB forums lately, I’m pretty disappointed at the ‘proven back size/strength’ of the posters.
I video certain lifts of mine so that I can evaluate form, progress, etc. and I don’t claim textbook pretty lifts on any of my vids. I was mildly entertained to see one in this thread.
Having said that, the OP can at least see where I’m coming from. I’ve started pretty much ignoring anyone who gives out ‘advice’ without pics or vids. I was recently seriously let down by someone who I thought (assumed) was a big motherfucker who hasn’t really made much progress at all.
OP- Consider the ‘advice’ you receive carefully. That’s all I’m saying. I think I’ve gotten it down to about 8 regulars whose advice actually matters (to me) in the BB forum. Kudos to you for posting a vid.[/quote]
Damn, now I wanna know who the let down was. 
[quote]Fezzik wrote:
[quote]cdubs wrote:
This is the bodybuilding section right? I thought this is the section where we focus on form because we are driven by progress in our bodies, not our stats.
No disrespect OP but I use about 60 pounds less than you for a 10rep and I am easily much bigger than you. You might want to think about what your priorities are when you lift. [/quote]
How would it disrespect the OP that you are using half the weight he is? I am guessing he could at least do a SUPER strict set with 90s if not 100s.[/quote]
Indeed I could 
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I’m not going to call anyone out, but for some of those giving advice in the BB forums lately, I’m pretty disappointed at the ‘proven back size/strength’ of the posters.
I video certain lifts of mine so that I can evaluate form, progress, etc. and I don’t claim textbook pretty lifts on any of my vids. I was mildly entertained to see one in this thread.
Having said that, the OP can at least see where I’m coming from. I’ve started pretty much ignoring anyone who gives out ‘advice’ without pics or vids. I was recently seriously let down by someone who I thought (assumed) was a big motherfucker who hasn’t really made much progress at all.
OP- Consider the ‘advice’ you receive carefully. That’s all I’m saying. I think I’ve gotten it down to about 8 regulars whose advice actually matters (to me) in the BB forum. Kudos to you for posting a vid.[/quote]
Who was the assumed big guy?
I’m the same as you in that there’s only a few people I pay attention on here because I have no idea if the other people even know what they’re talking about. I’m not claiming to be big or anything but half the stuff I read is just retarded.
As far as finding what works for me…my back has improved a lot this last year or so and the 2 exercises I’ve had almost the entire time were DB rows (started at 65x13 I think but likely significantly better form) and rack chins which I did today for 5x90 pronated…not sure how good that is considering I don’t see many numbers posted for that exercise.
Can we see a video of your 5x90?
OP i didnt think your DB row form was bad. Maybe a tiny bit less leg drive as Popular said earlier but kudos on the improvement and posting vids. Keep it up.
.greg.
[quote]Fezzik wrote:
[quote]cdubs wrote:
This is the bodybuilding section right? I thought this is the section where we focus on form because we are driven by progress in our bodies, not our stats.
No disrespect OP but I use about 60 pounds less than you for a 10rep and I am easily much bigger than you. You might want to think about what your priorities are when you lift. [/quote]
How would it disrespect the OP that you are using half the weight he is? I am guessing he could at least do a SUPER strict set with 90s if not 100s.[/quote]
Perhaps this brings us back to the issue of the weights in the frame?
If the OP can do about 1.5 times the weight I can do, with equal or better form, and for the same number of reps shouldn’t he be at least as big as I am?
Will post pictures soon but OP’s size and the weight in the video do not add up.
[quote]cdubs wrote:
[quote]Fezzik wrote:
[quote]cdubs wrote:
This is the bodybuilding section right? I thought this is the section where we focus on form because we are driven by progress in our bodies, not our stats.
No disrespect OP but I use about 60 pounds less than you for a 10rep and I am easily much bigger than you. You might want to think about what your priorities are when you lift. [/quote]
How would it disrespect the OP that you are using half the weight he is? I am guessing he could at least do a SUPER strict set with 90s if not 100s.[/quote]
Perhaps this brings us back to the issue of the weights in the frame?
If the OP can do about 1.5 times the weight I can do, with equal or better form, and for the same number of reps shouldn’t he be at least as big as I am?
Will post pictures soon but OP’s size and the weight in the video do not add up. [/quote]
well post pics, stats and we’ll see.
There are people out there who are strong but smaller. Look at powerlifters in the lower weight classes… I’m sure a lot of those guys can put up larger numbers than I can but weigh less.
.greg.
You are trying to directly equate lifting ability with size and compare your genetics to someone else’s. There are lots of different factors that come into play. Lever length, muscle insertion, fast:slow fiber ratio, nervous system recruitment, etc.
[quote]cdubs wrote:
Perhaps this brings us back to the issue of the weights in the frame?
If the OP can do about 1.5 times the weight I can do, with equal or better form, and for the same number of reps shouldn’t he be at least as big as I am?
Will post pictures soon but OP’s size and the weight in the video do not add up. [/quote]
I have seen quite a few surprises from beginners/intermediates on this particular exercise. Also note that the OP looks a little thicker in his first vid than the second, although admittedly it is dark and hard to tell.
Anyway, a video equals some instant credit IMO. There is really no basis for calling BS.
Yea I was about 160 in the 2nd video and 175 in the first (more recent) video.
I remember in high school seeing this little spanish kid do something like 5 reps with 70-75lb and I couldn’t believe it because I was using 40lb…but this was before I really pushed that exercise like I do now. I actually didn’t do this exercise for awhile because I didn’t like that I had to push it really hard with one side and then have to do it all over again on the other side…but after I started making the progress with it that I did it’s now one of my favorite back exercises.
And to cdubs, what do you mean my physique and the weight I’m lifting don’t add up…you can see it in the video lol.
[quote]mch60360 wrote:
You are trying to directly equate lifting ability with size and compare your genetics to someone else’s. There are lots of different factors that come into play. Lever length, muscle insertion, fast:slow fiber ratio, nervous system recruitment, etc. [/quote]
to an extent yes, but this is a rather enormous discrecpancy.
if by 125 you mean two dumbbells weighing 62.5 each this will all make a lot more sense to me and I will feel dumb.