A little excerpt from a new Dave Tate interview on elite: Everyone seems to think having a strict diet is hardcore. Wrong! It?s so easy. There is no strain or effort. You just follow the damn diet! Hardcore is stuffing your face to the point where you feel like you?re going to pop and then going to get a milkshake.
Yeah- I thinks that’s true to an extent. I got up to the 250-255 range 2 or 3 years ago pretty easily(I was about180-190 before I got into lifting) and but I am hard pressed to gain any more weight. When I look at how much I have to consume to stay over 250 in training, I shudder to think of what these 308s and SHWs have put away to keep size or grow. They must eat literally all the damn time- mid-sex snack breaks; protein shakes in the shower? This is commitment to eating.
I’d agree. For me shoving it in, beyond the point of full all day is tougher than dieting…
Depends on who you are I think. For some people it’s easier to shove in - for some people it’s easier to have a restricted diet.
Ultimately the bulk phase should be pretty well planned anyway, so you’re following a schedule either way.
i think it’s also the extremes. Dave got down to 8% - very, very lean but nowhere near contest ready. On the other hand guys who talk about bulking being “fun” are “allowing” themselves full fat cokes instead of diet ones; they arent stuffing their bodies with 40 lbs more than their frames were really designed to hold. Bottom line is that most of the people who whine on the internet about how gaining/losing weight is so much easier than losing/gaining weight - theyre really not doing it to an extreme anyway
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Bottom line is that most of the people who whine on the internet about how gaining/losing weight is so much easier than losing/gaining weight - theyre really not doing it to an extreme anyway[/quote]
True story. I’ve been all down in the dumps because i’m struggling to get above 205lbs but when I think of it, I don’t really deserve to be cos I’m not putting in the work in the kitchen. Same as all those skinny kids posting pics of themselves.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
i think it’s also the extremes. Dave got down to 8% - very, very lean but nowhere near contest ready. On the other hand guys who talk about bulking being “fun” are “allowing” themselves full fat cokes instead of diet ones; they arent stuffing their bodies with 40 lbs more than their frames were really designed to hold. Bottom line is that most of the people who whine on the internet about how gaining/losing weight is so much easier than losing/gaining weight - theyre really not doing it to an extreme anyway[/quote]
This is very true. Anyone who is truly pushing their body as far as it will go will understand how difficult a true overhaul to your physique truly is. Gaining 20lbs is nothing like spending many years gaining 100lbs. Dropping 20lbs just to lean out a little is nothing like an all out contest diet and a loss of 60lbs.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Bottom line is that most of the people who whine on the internet about how gaining/losing weight is so much easier than losing/gaining weight - theyre really not doing it to an extreme anyway
True story. I’ve been all down in the dumps because i’m struggling to get above 205lbs but when I think of it, I don’t really deserve to be cos I’m not putting in the work in the kitchen. Same as all those skinny kids posting pics of themselves.
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I was around 205 when I started the westside training, I had been doing HIT routines for about a year, 2 days a week and eating about 5 meals a day. The meals were somewhat clean and I didn’t eat any sweets at all and no soda. When the westside stuff started, I ate anything I could get my hands on and nearly 4 months later here I am at 245. I think that once I got my belly stretched out some, I was able to eat alot bigger meals and I still get 4 or 5 in a day. My waistline went from a 36 to a 38. Now, I don’t really have to stuff myself but I am still putting on the weight and it does seem to be a pain in the ass at times to make sure I’m getting enough calories. I just try to keep focused on my goal of getting stronger and it has payed off.