Need Advice on Bulking Up

Bigger Stronger Leaner
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hey, I’m 245 now (was 260 almost a month ago) and i really want to start a very healthy clean bulk with no sugars (other than protein shakes) and about 300 grams of protein a day and near 400 carbs at a 300 calorie surplus train twice a day for 30 mins AM and PM.

Im not lying when i say i don’t look like normal everyday 245 lb fatasses, yes I’m still somewhat of a fatass but i have solid muscle and gym motivated. my deadlift is around 400 and i really want to get that up and start gaining strength.

how possible is it to gain only muscle and hardly any fat if I’m eating a very healthy surplus? my plan would be to eat super healthy and get up to 265 then start cutting again back down to 240 then back up again. this would mean switching from bulking to cutting in every like 2-4 months.

i just really want to gain more muscle and keep the fat down. I’m more worried about gaining strength and extra muscle then trying to look like perfect model bodybuilder. i guess I’m asking how possible it is to gain VERY little fat and lots of muscle and strength

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At your current strength level and bodyweight, I cannot imagine being able to put on more weight without having a good amount of it be fat honestly. If your goal is to look bigger, I think you would be better off focusing on getting rid of some bodyfat while improving strength and then coming back up in weight. If you just want to be bigger physically, you’re going to have to come to terms with putting on fat.

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PIcs

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here’s what Dave Tate at elite fitness did, this is from his article.

In a recent article article, Dave Tate tells how Blakely helped him over a mass plateau. Prepare to be inspired.
There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn?t gain weight to save my fucking life.

There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like fucking magic. He?d go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.

I finally asked him one day how he did it.

?You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I?ll fill you in.?

Now remember, we?re at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious shit if we have to go outside, I thought.

So we get outside and he starts talking.

?For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don?t care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that shit down and eat. That?s your breakfast.?

At this point I?m thinking this guy is nuts. But he?s completely serious.

?For lunch you?re gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don?t want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bullshit. I don?t care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can?t let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter.?

?For dinner you?re gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don?t like sardines, don?t put ?em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that fucker up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that shit over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the shit out of it.?

?Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that fucker. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals.?

This guy is in a zen-like state when he?s talking about this.

?Now you?re on the clock,? he continues. ?After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you?re full. Don?t listen to that shit. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I?m telling you now, you?re going to get three or four pieces in and you?re gonna want to quit. You fucking can?t quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.

And if you can?t finish it, don?t you ever come back to me and tell me you can?t gain weight. ?Cause I?m gonna tell you that you don?t give a fuck about getting bigger and you don?t care how much you lift!?

Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn?t get much fatter. One of the hardest things I?ve ever done in my life, though.

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[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
here’s what Dave Tate at elite fitness did, this is from his article.

In a recent article article, Dave Tate tells how Blakely helped him over a mass plateau. Prepare to be inspired.
There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn?t gain weight to save my fucking life.

There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like fucking magic. He?d go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.

I finally asked him one day how he did it.

?You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I?ll fill you in.?

Now remember, we?re at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious shit if we have to go outside, I thought.

So we get outside and he starts talking.

?For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don?t care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that shit down and eat. That?s your breakfast.?

At this point I?m thinking this guy is nuts. But he?s completely serious.

?For lunch you?re gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don?t want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bullshit. I don?t care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can?t let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter.?

?For dinner you?re gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don?t like sardines, don?t put ?em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that fucker up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that shit over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the shit out of it.?

?Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that fucker. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals.?

This guy is in a zen-like state when he?s talking about this.

?Now you?re on the clock,? he continues. ?After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you?re full. Don?t listen to that shit. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I?m telling you now, you?re going to get three or four pieces in and you?re gonna want to quit. You fucking can?t quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.

And if you can?t finish it, don?t you ever come back to me and tell me you can?t gain weight. ?Cause I?m gonna tell you that you don?t give a fuck about getting bigger and you don?t care how much you lift!?

Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn?t get much fatter. One of the hardest things I?ve ever done in my life, though.[/quote]

remember that I’m already fat though and trying to get mainly muscle…

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[quote]AbsuM- wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
here’s what Dave Tate at elite fitness did, this is from his article.

In a recent article article, Dave Tate tells how Blakely helped him over a mass plateau. Prepare to be inspired.
There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn?t gain weight to save my fucking life.

There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like fucking magic. He?d go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.

I finally asked him one day how he did it.

?You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I?ll fill you in.?

Now remember, we?re at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious shit if we have to go outside, I thought.

So we get outside and he starts talking.

?For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don?t care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that shit down and eat. That?s your breakfast.?

At this point I?m thinking this guy is nuts. But he?s completely serious.

?For lunch you?re gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don?t want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bullshit. I don?t care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can?t let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter.?

?For dinner you?re gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don?t like sardines, don?t put ?em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that fucker up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that shit over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the shit out of it.?

?Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that fucker. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals.?

This guy is in a zen-like state when he?s talking about this.

?Now you?re on the clock,? he continues. ?After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you?re full. Don?t listen to that shit. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I?m telling you now, you?re going to get three or four pieces in and you?re gonna want to quit. You fucking can?t quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.

And if you can?t finish it, don?t you ever come back to me and tell me you can?t gain weight. ?Cause I?m gonna tell you that you don?t give a fuck about getting bigger and you don?t care how much you lift!?

Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn?t get much fatter. One of the hardest things I?ve ever done in my life, though.[/quote]

remember that I’m already fat though and trying to get mainly muscle…[/quote]
Then just go to the gym and work your ass off and not worry about the bulking part yet. If you have tons of fat to spare you don’t need a huge calorie surplus to put on muscle mass.

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If you are already fat what is the point of getting fatter.

I know you are only 20 and don’t care about health but at some point you will.

Just work on getting your lifts up not your weight.

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[quote]tom1961 wrote:
If you are already fat what is the point of getting fatter.

I know you are only 20 and don’t care about health but at some point you will.

Just work on getting your lifts up not your weight.[/quote]

good advice man, thanks. just need to learn how to get my lifts up without the weight