Dave Tate Coaching for Crossfit!

Hanley · March 16, 2009, 9:26pm

[quote]wushu_1984 wrote:
grrrsauce wrote:
Here’s a video of one of my professor’s son. Missed the olympics by about 4kg. This is about 420lb in the video.

Know it doesn’t have much to do with the thread. Just a strong guy. Plus, I thinks it’s funny he said they were arguing technique with him the whole weekend till he did the C&J at lunch, after that he said they just listened and didn’t argue.

He’s impressive. I’m guessing he learnt that in an Oly-lifting club, as opposed to at Crossfit.[/quote]

His father’s a pretty well known weightlifting coach if it’s who I think it is…

And their is a Crossfit club in Ireland. It’s in Tallaght in Dublin.

LiveFromThe781 · March 16, 2009, 9:52pm

[quote]grrrsauce wrote:
Here’s a video of one of my professor’s son. Missed the olympics by about 4kg. This is about 420lb in the video.

Know it doesn’t have much to do with the thread. Just a strong guy. Plus, I thinks it’s funny he said they were arguing technique with him the whole weekend till he did the C&J at lunch, after that he said they just listened and didn’t argue.

Jeff Whittmer - Clean and Jerk on Vimeo [/quote]

thats pretty badass

wushu_1984 · March 17, 2009, 12:22am

[quote]Hanley wrote:
His father’s a pretty well known weightlifting coach if it’s who I think it is…

And their is a Crossfit club in Ireland. It’s in Tallaght in Dublin.[/quote]

I probably should have googled “crossfit ireland” before asserting that they weren’t there

PS Happy Paddy’s Day!

Avocado · March 17, 2009, 1:32am

you’re not really missing out. Most of them are highly over-priced for group classes at scheduled times only.

-chris

Catalyst_Fitness · March 17, 2009, 9:14pm

Wow to the OLY video. Unfortunately, we simply don’t HAVE a lot of OLY clubs (or even coaches) available in N. America anymore. There are differences between real OLY techniques and Crossfit, just as there are differences between real gymnasts and Crossfitters, who can do some cool stuff, but not true gymnastics.

I think Shugart put it best, talking about the Crossfit-style pullup: it’s a good exercise, but don’t call it a pullup, and don’t call it a kip. It’s not bad coaching (at least, not on purpose,) but it’s to achieve a different goal. For instance, foot position at the start of a jerk is different for OLY than for Crossfit. This is because, in Crossfit, you’re typically not going for a single (though we sometimes shoot for maxes in each lift,) but rather going for 3,5,or a billion.

Yes, form can go to hell. Most of the better-quality Crossfit owners place a premium on technique; that’s why you see Tate at Crossfit San Diego. That’s why we hire RKC coaches to teach us kettlebell technique, and OLY coaches to teach us to clean properly.
I think I agree most with the posts here pointing out that the difference in Crossfit gyms is largely determined by the owner/trainers. Thanks for the input.

Hanley · March 17, 2009, 10:35pm

Why would foot position be different when doing multiple reps?

Avocado · March 17, 2009, 11:41pm

[quote]Hanley wrote:
Why would foot position be different when doing multiple reps?[/quote]

Crossfitters have a tendency to keep their feet wider and not move them out [as in jump] when jerking, typically multiple times. I suppose this decreases time between reps and [theoretically] allows you to bang them out faster.

Whereas a classic O-lift jerk involves returning the heels [from the end of the clean portion] back under the hips, then jerking with a jump and foot movement either into a split or outward with a push jerk.

Crossfitters also have a tendency towards the push jerk as opposed to the split.

-chris

Sneaky_weasel · March 17, 2009, 11:59pm

I just don’t buy it.

It seems dumb to me to ingrain bad motor habits under the auspices of “it’s metcon, not max effort,” when you know full well that training faulty motor patterns is going to fuck up your max effort lifts. If you want to admit that CF is strongly biased toward anaerobic/lactate system endurance efforts, then sure, you can alter the exercises however you want so that you can “bang them out faster,” but if you’re really pursuing virtuosity of movement, and “broad, general, inclusive fitness” like Glassman argues, you’re not holding your athletes to a high enough standard.

Catalyst Fitness, you seem to run an awesome gym, but you seem to be the exception rather than the rule.

The argument that you hire qualified coaches to teach you how to coach better is in some respects true, but is also fallacious, in that by recognizing the high qualifications of these individuals, you are recognizing that they have put years and years of effort, time, and learning into their field of expertise. You then shell out $1000 to attend a weekend cert, where they show you some basics, and you go back home and try to teach this stuff to what are in many cases complete novice athletes. Being taught by highly qualified coaches in no way imbues you with the skill or expertise they possess–a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

I know I’m coming off really harsh, and I don’t mean to–I like a lot of elements of CF a lot. But as the community grows and changes, I see a lot of things that are bringing CrossFit trainers down to the level of “functional exercise” nuts and ACE-certified morons.

T3hPwnisher · March 18, 2009, 1:29am

I saw this crossfit chick in the gym the other day, doing high rep oly work, and I noticed her form was off. I went up to her and said “Hi, it looks like you could use some help. Can I see your snatch?”

She slapped me.

Invictica · March 18, 2009, 1:41am

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
high rep oly work[/quote]

oh man. I lol’d at this.

fattymcfatso · March 18, 2009, 2:10am

I own a CrossFit affiliate in Lawton OK. I started Powerlifting when I was 15 moved on to Olympic lifting (still a novice) and then got into strongman training. I love strength sports. And CrossFit is my opportunity to combine all of those elements of training that I love and call it something. I hate running but I do it now that I am a “CrossFitter”. I hate jump rope but I do it now. Does jumping rope make you worse at loading stones. Does running make you a weaker Deadlifter? I don’t think so. Some people like all strength sports not just power, or olympic lifting. I like doing powercleans one day and then challenging myself to do 30 muscle ups for time the next day.

If I was still powerlifting competitvely I would have alot better numbers than I do now of course. But I guarantee I would not know how to do alot of the stuff I do now that I found CrossFit. It all depends on each persons goals. Whats great about CrossFit is that it ends up being a gateway for alot of people who would otherwise never be exposed to anything but gay selctorized circuits and eliptical machines.

I understand the problem that strength atheletes have with “CrossFit Programing” or lack there of. If you are a powerlifter you need to focus on the big 3. But Personally if a kid came to me and asked to make him a world class powerlifter I would be much more inclined to have him doing CrossFit workouts for assistance work over the crap I did when I competed in Powerlifting.

I like CrossFit.

debraD · March 18, 2009, 5:55am

If there was a Crossfit here I would join. There is a gym just about to open up that is claiming is Crossfit-ish with some MMA that I might join if they ever actually open.

Berserkergang · March 18, 2009, 11:43am

[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
Glassman looks like a fat piece of crap.[/quote]

LOL!
Pretty rude but so true!

Avocado · March 18, 2009, 1:24pm

[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
I own a CrossFit affiliate in Lawton OK. I started Powerlifting when I was 15 moved on to Olympic lifting (still a novice) and then got into strongman training. I love strength sports. And CrossFit is my opportunity to combine all of those elements of training that I love and call it something. I hate running but I do it now that I am a “CrossFitter”. I hate jump rope but I do it now. Does jumping rope make you worse at loading stones. Does running make you a weaker Deadlifter? I don’t think so. Some people like all strength sports not just power, or olympic lifting. I like doing powercleans one day and then challenging myself to do 30 muscle ups for time the next day.

If I was still powerlifting competitvely I would have alot better numbers than I do now of course. But I guarantee I would not know how to do alot of the stuff I do now that I found CrossFit. It all depends on each persons goals. Whats great about CrossFit is that it ends up being a gateway for alot of people who would otherwise never be exposed to anything but gay selctorized circuits and eliptical machines.

I understand the problem that strength atheletes have with “CrossFit Programing” or lack there of. If you are a powerlifter you need to focus on the big 3. But Personally if a kid came to me and asked to make him a world class powerlifter I would be much more inclined to have him doing CrossFit workouts for assistance work over the crap I did when I competed in Powerlifting.

I like CrossFit.
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I can feel you on this one.

thing is it’s not what they actually do that bothers any body, it’s what they say they are doing that bothers people.

Training randomly and having fun doing it is not faultable. Claiming that it’s optimal programming is.

Combining some lifts and movements in a circuit is great and a fun way to train. claiming that it is the best method of training the worlds elite athletes is ridiculous.

Getting stronger and more in shape is great. Claiming that crossfit on the zone diet is the number one juice-free method of hypertrophy, compared to actual BBing hypertrophy training with massive over-feeding, is straight retarded.

charging $1000 for a seminar is crazy when i can take my CSCS test for 1/2 that, books and all. the $2000 a year for affiliate is acceptable but the gym prices are fuct.

And their crazy right wing political agenda doesn’t help either. Not that I dont slide over the that side of things once in a while but I reckon we should keep the politics out of training. Like keeping the church out of the state, keep the state off the platform.

I WANT to like crossfit, and used to. But after they pulled off all kinds of bullshit shenanigans like “uneven grace” and all the over-reaching claims, I just couldn’t.

I love all the ingredients but dont like the way they toss the salad.

-chris

Avocado · March 18, 2009, 1:31pm

[quote]debraD wrote:
If there was a Crossfit here I would join. There is a gym just about to open up that is claiming is Crossfit-ish with some MMA that I might join if they ever actually open. [/quote]

But if you had a choice between a crossfit gym and a collegiate strength and conditioning facility [with good bars, bumpers, sleds, track, versa climber and all the toys] which would you pick? At least you can train at the other facility whenever you want as opposed to in a group class.

-chris

debraD · March 18, 2009, 1:31pm

[quote]Avocado wrote:
And their crazy right wing political agenda doesn’t help either. Not that I dont slide over the that side of things once in a while but I reckon we should keep the politics out of training. Like keeping the church out of the state, keep the state off the platform.[/quote]

Really? I’ve never heard of any politics associated with Crossfit. But I don’t read all of these Crossfit debate threads either.

debraD · March 18, 2009, 1:35pm

[quote]Avocado wrote:
debraD wrote:
If there was a Crossfit here I would join. There is a gym just about to open up that is claiming is Crossfit-ish with some MMA that I might join if they ever actually open.

But if you had a choice between a crossfit gym and a collegiate strength and conditioning facility [with good bars, bumpers, sleds, track, versa climber and all the toys] which would you pick? At least you can train at the other facility whenever you want as opposed to in a group class.

-chris[/quote]

It would really depend on the support available. If I were on my own I’d be lost as to what to do with all those toys, at least at first. Currently I don’t go to a gym so my only reason for going would be to work with other people.

Sneaky_weasel · March 18, 2009, 3:31pm

[quote]Avocado wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:
I own a CrossFit affiliate in Lawton OK. I started Powerlifting when I was 15 moved on to Olympic lifting (still a novice) and then got into strongman training. I love strength sports. And CrossFit is my opportunity to combine all of those elements of training that I love and call it something. I hate running but I do it now that I am a “CrossFitter”. I hate jump rope but I do it now. Does jumping rope make you worse at loading stones. Does running make you a weaker Deadlifter? I don’t think so. Some people like all strength sports not just power, or olympic lifting. I like doing powercleans one day and then challenging myself to do 30 muscle ups for time the next day.