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Training Powerlifting
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[quote]debraD wrote:
Avocado wrote:
debraD wrote:
If there was a Crossfit here I would join. There is a gym just about to open up that is claiming is Crossfit-ish with some MMA that I might join if they ever actually open.

But if you had a choice between a crossfit gym and a collegiate strength and conditioning facility [with good bars, bumpers, sleds, track, versa climber and all the toys] which would you pick? At least you can train at the other facility whenever you want as opposed to in a group class.

-chris

It would really depend on the support available. If I were on my own I’d be lost as to what to do with all those toys, at least at first. Currently I don’t go to a gym so my only reason for going would be to work with other people.

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Luckily most are staffed with proper coaches and homes to O-lift and P-lift groups. Shit there’s a guy at my old uni who will program you and train you 4 time [over a month] for the low low price of $90/month. Pretty good considering that includes your admission to that facility 3-4 times per week.

-chris

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:
I own a CrossFit affiliate in Lawton OK. I started Powerlifting when I was 15 moved on to Olympic lifting (still a novice) and then got into strongman training. I love strength sports. And CrossFit is my opportunity to combine all of those elements of training that I love and call it something. I hate running but I do it now that I am a “CrossFitter”. I hate jump rope but I do it now. Does jumping rope make you worse at loading stones. Does running make you a weaker Deadlifter? I don’t think so. Some people like all strength sports not just power, or olympic lifting. I like doing powercleans one day and then challenging myself to do 30 muscle ups for time the next day.

If I was still powerlifting competitvely I would have alot better numbers than I do now of course. But I guarantee I would not know how to do alot of the stuff I do now that I found CrossFit. It all depends on each persons goals. Whats great about CrossFit is that it ends up being a gateway for alot of people who would otherwise never be exposed to anything but gay selctorized circuits and eliptical machines.

I understand the problem that strength atheletes have with “CrossFit Programing” or lack there of. If you are a powerlifter you need to focus on the big 3. But Personally if a kid came to me and asked to make him a world class powerlifter I would be much more inclined to have him doing CrossFit workouts for assistance work over the crap I did when I competed in Powerlifting.

I like CrossFit.

I can feel you on this one.

thing is it’s not what they actually do that bothers any body, it’s what they say they are doing that bothers people.

Training randomly and having fun doing it is not faultable. Claiming that it’s optimal programming is.

Combining some lifts and movements in a circuit is great and a fun way to train. claiming that it is the best method of training the worlds elite athletes is ridiculous.

Getting stronger and more in shape is great. Claiming that crossfit on the zone diet is the number one juice-free method of hypertrophy, compared to actual BBing hypertrophy training with massive over-feeding, is straight retarded.

charging $1000 for a seminar is crazy when i can take my CSCS test for 1/2 that, books and all. the $2000 a year for affiliate is acceptable but the gym prices are fuct.

And their crazy right wing political agenda doesn’t help either. Not that I dont slide over the that side of things once in a while but I reckon we should keep the politics out of training. Like keeping the church out of the state, keep the state off the platform.

I WANT to like crossfit, and used to. But after they pulled off all kinds of bullshit shenanigans like “uneven grace” and all the over-reaching claims, I just couldn’t.

I love all the ingredients but dont like the way they toss the salad.

-chris[/quote]

I agree with most of the stuff in your post. I am a “certified” CrossFit instructor. I only got certified so I could open my gym and use the CF name. I did not think it was worth 1000.00 but, spending that $ was agood investment. and it is a hell of a lot cheaper than trying open a Planet Fatness franchise.

There is room in any program/methodology to get dogmatic, and CF is far from the exception. I use CF as a tool to optimize human performance not to discuss politics or the superiority of the program.

I don’t zone diet either. I am on a strict carl’s jr, burger king, taco bell diet that the zone just does not seem to fit into.

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Then I think we are more in agreement than disagreement.

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
Avocado wrote:
debraD wrote:
Avocado wrote:
And their crazy right wing political agenda doesn’t help either. Not that I dont slide over the that side of things once in a while but I reckon we should keep the politics out of training. Like keeping the church out of the state, keep the state off the platform.

Really? I’ve never heard of any politics associated with Crossfit. But I don’t read all of these Crossfit debate threads either.

Yeah the main site is loaded with all kinds of extreme political literature. Most real life affiliates dont have much to do with it. Even so it seems highly unprofessional, not that it has held them back though.

I suppose crossfit is similar to tae bo, but more equipment intensive. The tools are great but the practice is disheartening.

-chris

Oh come on Tae Bo?
What about flirty fit?

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not in the execution but in the marketing sense, as a fad or system. Tae bo took kickboxing and made it into a fitness system [of sorts] and crossfit has taken strength sports and turned them into a similar system.

Tae bo = take power round house kick and do it less hard more times for conditioning effect

crossfit = take power clean and jerk and do it less heavy more times for conditioning effect

not the best analogy but i’m only 2 cups in this morning.

-chris

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
Avocado wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:
I own a CrossFit affiliate in Lawton OK. I started Powerlifting when I was 15 moved on to Olympic lifting (still a novice) and then got into strongman training. I love strength sports. And CrossFit is my opportunity to combine all of those elements of training that I love and call it something. I hate running but I do it now that I am a “CrossFitter”. I hate jump rope but I do it now. Does jumping rope make you worse at loading stones. Does running make you a weaker Deadlifter? I don’t think so. Some people like all strength sports not just power, or olympic lifting. I like doing powercleans one day and then challenging myself to do 30 muscle ups for time the next day.

If I was still powerlifting competitvely I would have alot better numbers than I do now of course. But I guarantee I would not know how to do alot of the stuff I do now that I found CrossFit. It all depends on each persons goals. Whats great about CrossFit is that it ends up being a gateway for alot of people who would otherwise never be exposed to anything but gay selctorized circuits and eliptical machines.

I understand the problem that strength atheletes have with “CrossFit Programing” or lack there of. If you are a powerlifter you need to focus on the big 3. But Personally if a kid came to me and asked to make him a world class powerlifter I would be much more inclined to have him doing CrossFit workouts for assistance work over the crap I did when I competed in Powerlifting.

I like CrossFit.

I can feel you on this one.

thing is it’s not what they actually do that bothers any body, it’s what they say they are doing that bothers people.

Training randomly and having fun doing it is not faultable. Claiming that it’s optimal programming is.

Combining some lifts and movements in a circuit is great and a fun way to train. claiming that it is the best method of training the worlds elite athletes is ridiculous.

Getting stronger and more in shape is great. Claiming that crossfit on the zone diet is the number one juice-free method of hypertrophy, compared to actual BBing hypertrophy training with massive over-feeding, is straight retarded.

charging $1000 for a seminar is crazy when i can take my CSCS test for 1/2 that, books and all. the $2000 a year for affiliate is acceptable but the gym prices are fuct.

And their crazy right wing political agenda doesn’t help either. Not that I dont slide over the that side of things once in a while but I reckon we should keep the politics out of training. Like keeping the church out of the state, keep the state off the platform.

I WANT to like crossfit, and used to. But after they pulled off all kinds of bullshit shenanigans like “uneven grace” and all the over-reaching claims, I just couldn’t.

I love all the ingredients but dont like the way they toss the salad.

-chris

I agree with most of the stuff in your post. I am a “certified” CrossFit instructor. I only got certified so I could open my gym and use the CF name. I did not think it was worth 1000.00 but, spending that $ was agood investment. and it is a hell of a lot cheaper than trying open a Planet Fatness franchise.

There is room in any program/methodology to get dogmatic, and CF is far from the exception. I use CF as a tool to optimize human performance not to discuss politics or the superiority of the program.

I don’t zone diet either. I am on a strict carl’s jr, burger king, taco bell diet that the zone just does not seem to fit into.
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Which sounds exactly how I would roll it. And it is not you all that anyone has an issue with. It’s the guys who have no strength sports background [or sports background at all really] that open locations and sell themselves as strength and conditioning masters based on their Xfit certs and nothing else.

[disclaim bad and/or inappropriate metaphor]

It’s like Christianity. No body minds the normal, sensible goes to church and doesn’t fuck with anyone christian. The guy who still thinks logically and live rationally but has a faith.

People do mind the kool-aid drinking asshole that obnoxiously tries to convert everyone and has a superiority complex. The racist, progression hating folks that throw fetus dolls at pregnant teenagers at abortion clinics.

And as such I find almost everyone i talk to about crossfit on this board and others to be essentially reasonable. But when i discuss things on the crossfit board and with real live “crosfit purists” they are entirely unreasonable. making claims that I dont even care to repeat [often].

So i would agree that we are more in agreement than disagreement, but there are many who are simply disagreeable.

-chris