Dave Tate Coaching for Crossfit!

[quote]Catalyst Fitness wrote:
A 1060 total, conforming to PL rules, but using a shoulder press instead of a bench? Unbelted? To depth?

Here’s why I care enough to post. When I read this site in 2001, it was new. It had its swagger on, but it would take new information, disseminate, use what it could and not use the rest. Tate was a new author; Poliquin was pretty much the same; guys like Robertson and Berardi weren’t even writing here yet.

I think I’m one of the very few people who can say they’ve read every article ever posted on this site; I was even lucky enough to have my own poor attempts posted here once!

Now, though, it seems the site is trying hard to entrench and defend. If Cressey tells you to do a combination of 3 exercises and calls it a ‘complex,’ it’s awesome. If Crossfit calls the same complex ‘Wynona,’ it’s gay. If Dan John tells you to do Tabata, it’s a revelation; if it comes from Greg Glassman, there’s no way it can work.

If the Beast tells you to master the OLY lifts, he gets 200 positive responses; if a Crossfit gym hires an elite OLY coach to come in and teach its athletes how to jerk, we’ll “fuck it up as soon as they leave.”

Dave Tate takes a rookie through a box squat session, and the rookie sells a book. Tate shows up to teach the same thing to a group of Crossfitters, and he must only be doing it for money. Please; if you met the man, you’d know he was no sellout.

A few months ago, I posted a bunch of pics of our new gym on a thread, and asked for suggestions for improvement. I had a bunch of great responses; we have monkey bars, Strongman implements, 3 OLY Platforms, cages, bumper plate, tires and kegs and hex bars and ropes and GHRs and reverse hypers and now, thanks to the suggestion of a T-Nation member, a reading library for our members in our mezzanine. We sell memberships and have a PL group. We also do Crossfit. Please, someone tell me in person that we suck. [/quote]

And to be clear, you don’t suck dude. You sound like an awesome guy/girl who is doing a lot right by the culture. My only problem is that every time I read something by someone who practices crossfit, it comes off as very defensive. I’ve also read every article on the site, and looked forward to every Friday when they would update 5 at a time. I think I still have $40 outstanding for the paper mag that was never reprinted! The point is that through all the reading and practicing, there is nothing magical about weight training.

Consistent, planned progression and hard work and taking the time to perform all the lifts you do right. It’s taken a lot of fucking up along the way to realize that. When I view crossfit from the outside, its just a bunch of random shit tossed together.

Look a little deeper and it seems o.k. especially because they use a lot of good lifts (not necessarily executed well) and encourage people to work hard and improve. Nothing magical in the least, and nothing to ever get defensive about.

Pat

[quote]Avocado wrote:

A great success. I have no idea how SW will remove his dick from the correct here.

this is basically a far more articulate fersion of what I mean to say.

Old mate “johnathan” [not john, johny, or j dizzle but johnathan] who works down at the fitness center I used to train athletes at has a cert he got in two days on the internet, CF level 1, CF KB cert, CF weightlifting cert, and a CF running cert. all within the last year. That’s like $5000 USD.

He’s telling me that my Snatch tech and Clean tech are crap because I’m “not driving through the heels” [because I’m pressing with my calves on the pull etc. as if I can’t transfer the pressing point or something].

I say “didn’t coach burgener tell you to press through the toes to get that power on the 2nd pull?”

“Yeah, he did. But then coach glassman said that we should be pressing through the heels the whole time to trigger the glute/hams.”

“Who’s the O-lifting coach?”

~silence~

“why cant you press through the whole foot and then the toes?”

~silence~

FAIL

And this guy charges $90 CAD/session for his “coaching” in real life.

It’s these guys that are ruining the crossfit cause. Johnny thinks he’s fast and good at metcon shit and that’s his excuse for being weak. So him, my 36 year old female “walking for breast cancer” athlete, and me all do the WOD.

It was like Burpees, deadlifts and sit ups for time. My athlete smoked him, but not because she was fast at the WOD… but because she finished it. He quit the 3rd time around of like 5 or something. And somehow my fat, bad technique, non-functional ass got a starboy time compared to the cats on the main site.

I dont know what to say about these guys. I love the coaches they bring in and would love to go if it didn’t cost a ton. I’m getting my CSCS for less money, more time. But i just have only ever met [in person] like 2 “crossfitters” that had an open mind to anything other than glassman and the WOD “theory.”

I find most of the legit crossfit trainers that I’ve met are pretty quiet about it.

-chris[/quote]

Fuck. Don’t even get me started on Glassman. Wait, why not?

And I quote:
"Fitness can be graphed in two-dimensions with duration of effort on the x-axis and power on the y-axis. At each duration, we average your power capacity across a variety of modal domains (skills and drills). This creates a power curve, the area under which is your work capacity across broad time and modal domains (aka fitness).

We can now add a third dimension to this graph, the z-axis, which is age. By reassessing your two-dimensional fitness at various times throughout your life, we graph the form of a solid. The power curve takes on the shape of a plateau or blanket.

This three-dimensional graph is a defining measure of health. Health, therefore, is nothing other than sustained fitness." --Glassman, Feb 2009 CrossFit Journal

What the fucking fuck is this? What does that even mean? Glassman is so goddamn set on protecting his “intellectual property” that he is willing to spout some pseudo-calculus gobbledegook in order to argue that "do a lot of compound, multi-joint movements,

both for max effort and in circuits, along with gymnastics, some sprinting, and a little aerobic work and eat healthy" is REVOLUTIONARY SHOCK-AND-AWE EARTH-SHAKINGLY fresh and insightful information. Please.

the z-axis

where is your god now?


I saw this and swore I’d post it on the next crossfit thread/argument I saw here for fun.

does hecho mean “put it in my butt”?

crossfit is great for girls. lets liven up this thread with a bunch of pics of crossfit girls

1st one

[quote]matsm21 wrote:
crossfit is great for girls. lets liven up this thread with a bunch of pics of crossfit girls[/quote]

Well this one is fitting then!

[quote]debraD wrote:
matsm21 wrote:
crossfit is great for girls. lets liven up this thread with a bunch of pics of crossfit girls

Well this one is fitting then!
[/quote]

Ahh…so that’s why Dave agreed to coach at Crossfit. CF does seem to produce some hot ladies.

Another crossfit girl…

[quote]matsm21 wrote:
crossfit is great for girls. lets liven up this thread with a bunch of pics of crossfit girls[/quote]

i agree.

It is a great idea for a franchise. I wish I’d thought up of Crossfit so I could be raking it in.

[quote]matsm21 wrote:
crossfit is great for girls. [/quote]

Most excellent.

I like were this thread has gone.

victory taken from the hands of defeat.

-chris

Glassman looks like a fat piece of crap.

Don’t have crossfit in Ireland but it sounds weird.

If you wannt learn oly-lifting join an oly-lifting club. If you wanna learn powerliftin join a powerliftin club. If you wanna learn gymnastics join a gymnastics club.

I don’t think that that many people could actually learn gymnastics, powerlifting and olympic lifting all at the same time and still have proper technique on all of them.

Also the guy with 1050 total should probably quit crossfit and join a proper hardcore powerlifting club. That is if he cares about improving his total.

Here’s a video of one of my professor’s son. Missed the olympics by about 4kg. This is about 420lb in the video.

Know it doesn’t have much to do with the thread. Just a strong guy. Plus, I thinks it’s funny he said they were arguing technique with him the whole weekend till he did the C&J at lunch, after that he said they just listened and didn’t argue.

Here’s a video of one of my professor’s son. Missed the olympics by about 4kg. This is about 420lb in the video.

Know it doesn’t have much to do with the thread. Just a strong guy. Plus, I thinks it’s funny he said they were arguing technique with him the whole weekend till he did the C&J at lunch, after that he said they just listened and didn’t argue.

[quote]grrrsauce wrote:
Here’s a video of one of my professor’s son. Missed the olympics by about 4kg. This is about 420lb in the video.

Know it doesn’t have much to do with the thread. Just a strong guy. Plus, I thinks it’s funny he said they were arguing technique with him the whole weekend till he did the C&J at lunch, after that he said they just listened and didn’t argue.

Jeff Whittmer - Clean and Jerk on Vimeo [/quote]

He’s impressive. I’m guessing he learnt that in an Oly-lifting club, as opposed to at Crossfit.