Current Toney Freeman Progress

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[quote]theceka wrote:
No one ever claimed that he never worked with heavy weights in the first place.
No one ever said he got his arms by doing ONLY preacher curls with 10 pound dumbells or that it wasn’t his last exercise.
No one ever said pro bodybuilders are weak in this thread.
No one ever said HE CAN’T move big weight if he has to.
No one ever said they can get in a bench contest with him.

No one ever implied any of those in this thread either. Look for yourself if you don’t believe me.

The guy just asked if he still uses light weights because - wait for it - that’s what Toney Freeman does and that’s what he says he does. He doesn’t row 405 and then just say he does 225 to fool his opponents - he actually uses 225 because he says it works for him. And no he doesn’t use relatively light weight, like 405 for bench instead of 495. He NOW uses weights that most people who trained for 3 years seriously, could use.

There are about 5 people and 1 page of posts responding to stuff that no one ever said or implied in this thread. Pure bullshit. All you had to do was actually read or watch the videos of Toney Freeman to see that he now uses light weights. And that was the answer to the question. That’s all that was asked, in fact, the asker said “Sure doesn’t look like it” in his first post, meaning he has a hard time believing it himself. He didn’t say he is weak, he didn’t say he never used heavy weights, he didn’t say his arm size is the result of his 10lb preacher curls.

If you read or watched some before you spoke, you would see that “Does Freeman still work out with really light weights?” is a very fair question in this case: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_5_25/ai_n19330138

And no, those are not 50 pound dumbbells unless they’re made with a special material. These are what 50 pound dumbells look like, I don’t think you need to use your Print Screen function to see the difference: pbnycmuscle 50lb dumbell curl workout - YouTube

I came to this thread to look at these pictures one more time and see what people said about his awesomeness and saw the real problem why this is never going to be a good bodybuilding forum. Believe me, it’s not people who claim ‘pro bodybuilders are weak’ anymore. And this shit will repeat in 2 days with 5 dudes raging against 1 person who obviously didn’t want to start an argument in the first place. If you can’t see why this thread was really ruined then you fail.[/quote]

I understand that it was innocent. The problem is that when things like that are brought up there are a dozen 15 year olds that are going to run around telling everybody 10 lbs curls get you 22 inch arms according to such and such pro BBer.

Innocent or not thats how rumors start that fill people’s heads with propaganda.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I understand that it was innocent. The problem is that when things like that are brought up there are a dozen 15 year olds that are going to run around telling everybody 10 lbs curls get you 22 inch arms according to such and such pro BBer.

Innocent or not thats how rumors start that fill people’s heads with propaganda.[/quote]

T-Nation has hundreds of articles if not over a thousand and I have not yet read a single one that denies a positive correlation between strength and size.
This is also the website that talks about progressive weights, lifting big and eating big as being necessarry for growth in its official stickies in the Beginner’s Forum - the first place a 15 year old is encouraged to look.

So given the things above, if you think that somebody asking “Does Freeman still use really light weights?” could lead to a 15 year old thinking 10 lb curls make a 22inch arm, then you probably know that the kid just wants to hear what he wants to hear and he’s going to ignore everything else coming his way, so there’s no reason to warn him in the first place. And if you really believe that the only reason people wrote all those replies to something that no one ever said or implied, was their genuine concern for that 15 year old kid, then I don’t even know what to say.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

I understand that it was innocent. The problem is that when things like that are brought up there are a dozen 15 year olds that are going to run around telling everybody 10 lbs curls get you 22 inch arms according to such and such pro BBer.

Innocent or not thats how rumors start that fill people’s heads with propaganda.[/quote]

Good post. This is exactly what people were responding to. I’m not sure how that wasn’t clear to start with.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

I understand that it was innocent. The problem is that when things like that are brought up there are a dozen 15 year olds that are going to run around telling everybody 10 lbs curls get you 22 inch arms according to such and such pro BBer.

Innocent or not thats how rumors start that fill people’s heads with propaganda.

Good post. This is exactly what people were responding to. I’m not sure how that wasn’t clear to start with. [/quote]

Then why did you not say this until now? Then why didn’t you just respond to his question with something along the lines of “Yes he still uses light weights but kids, that doesn’t mean he didn’t lift heavy stuff before”?

When you say “This is exactly what people were responding to”, are you actually saying that everybody just wanted to save that 15 year old kid from thinking 10lb curls could lead to 22 inch arms? Are you honestly and seriously claiming this right now?

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[quote]theceka wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
I understand that it was innocent. The problem is that when things like that are brought up there are a dozen 15 year olds that are going to run around telling everybody 10 lbs curls get you 22 inch arms according to such and such pro BBer.

Innocent or not thats how rumors start that fill people’s heads with propaganda.

T-Nation has hundreds of articles if not over a thousand and I have not yet read a single one that denies a positive correlation between strength and size.
This is also the website that talks about progressive weights, lifting big and eating big as being necessarry for growth in its official stickies in the Beginner’s Forum - the first place a 15 year old is encouraged to look.

So given the things above, if you think that somebody asking “Does Freeman still use really light weights?” could lead to a 15 year old thinking 10 lb curls make a 22inch arm, then you probably know that the kid just wants to hear what he wants to hear and he’s going to ignore everything else coming his way, so there’s no reason to warn him in the first place. And if you really believe that the only reason people wrote all those replies to something that no one ever said or implied, was their genuine concern for that 15 year old kid, then I don’t even know what to say.[/quote]

I don’t think the initial post was the problem, it was probably the:

“He had some videos up a while back (pulled from youtube, I just looked) of him doing preacher curls with 10 lb dumbbells and stuff like that. He said he didn’t really start growing until he started using lighter weights.”

It was the equation of lighter weights to 10 pound curls from some youtube video that riled people up. That is the beginning of a juicy rumor.

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[quote]theceka wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

I understand that it was innocent. The problem is that when things like that are brought up there are a dozen 15 year olds that are going to run around telling everybody 10 lbs curls get you 22 inch arms according to such and such pro BBer.

Innocent or not thats how rumors start that fill people’s heads with propaganda.

Good post. This is exactly what people were responding to. I’m not sure how that wasn’t clear to start with.

Then why did you not say this until now? Then why didn’t you just respond to his question with something along the lines of “Yes he still uses light weights but kids, that doesn’t mean he didn’t lift heavy stuff before”?

When you say “This is exactly what people were responding to”, are you actually saying that everybody just wanted to save that 15 year old kid from thinking 10lb curls could lead to 22 inch arms? Are you honestly and seriously claiming this right now?[/quote]

Every response I wrote in this thread had to do with how even if he uses lighter weight now, that isn’t what built that size initially.

I dare you to find the post where I was not trying to get that very same point across in relation to this topic.

Go find it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
theceka wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

I understand that it was innocent. The problem is that when things like that are brought up there are a dozen 15 year olds that are going to run around telling everybody 10 lbs curls get you 22 inch arms according to such and such pro BBer.

Innocent or not thats how rumors start that fill people’s heads with propaganda.

Good post. This is exactly what people were responding to. I’m not sure how that wasn’t clear to start with.

Then why did you not say this until now? Then why didn’t you just respond to his question with something along the lines of “Yes he still uses light weights but kids, that doesn’t mean he didn’t lift heavy stuff before”?

When you say “This is exactly what people were responding to”, are you actually saying that everybody just wanted to save that 15 year old kid from thinking 10lb curls could lead to 22 inch arms? Are you honestly and seriously claiming this right now?

Every response I wrote in this thread had to do with how even if he uses lighter weight now, that isn’t what built that size initially.

I dare you to find the post where I was not trying to get that very same point across in relation to this topic.

Go find it.[/quote]

You’re impossible.

If I ask you “Did you sincerely type all these responses so that you could stop a 15 year old from thinking he can get 22 inch arms with 10 lb curls?”, you say ‘Freeman uses light weight now but he used to lift heavy, Go Prove me Wrong’, which is irrelevant to the question that I’m asking you. But you’re right, I can’t find a post of yours where you didn’t say he didn’t build himself with light weights.

If I tell you those are not 50 pound dumbells like you claimed, you tell me “I just said he had to move bigger weight at some time to use lighter weight now!”, which is irrelevant to the fact that you were probably wrong about the dumbells. But your statement is right in itself.

If the guy asks you “Does he still train with light weights?” you don’t say a simple “yes”, you reply with “It’s obvious that he can lift more!” which is not the answer and which is obvious and so pretty much irrelevant to the question being asked. But your statement is right in itself.

If I tell you he is not trying to fool his opponents and does actually use weight that is almost funny for his build -and that it works for him now-, then you tell me how Dexter once said he ate a pizza and then laughed, which is irrelevant to the fact that Toney does use really light weights. But your statement is right in itself.

The thing is, I cannot prove you wrong. Because you’re right. Just like someone who repeatedly says 2+2=4, you’re just so right. And so angry for some reason. Your statements might not be so relevant to the topic at hand, they might be not so constructive by any means, they might not answer the frickin question you’re replying to but one thing is for sure, you’re right man. And god forbid if somebody doesn’t answer your question directly, you’ll make sure to “dare” them to ‘go and find’ where you said something you actually didn’t say. And all I’m saying is, I think that’s a problem.

But you’re right, he didn’t build what he had with light weights.

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[quote]theceka wrote:
Professor X wrote:
theceka wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

I understand that it was innocent. The problem is that when things like that are brought up there are a dozen 15 year olds that are going to run around telling everybody 10 lbs curls get you 22 inch arms according to such and such pro BBer.

Innocent or not thats how rumors start that fill people’s heads with propaganda.

Good post. This is exactly what people were responding to. I’m not sure how that wasn’t clear to start with.

Then why did you not say this until now? Then why didn’t you just respond to his question with something along the lines of “Yes he still uses light weights but kids, that doesn’t mean he didn’t lift heavy stuff before”?

When you say “This is exactly what people were responding to”, are you actually saying that everybody just wanted to save that 15 year old kid from thinking 10lb curls could lead to 22 inch arms? Are you honestly and seriously claiming this right now?

Every response I wrote in this thread had to do with how even if he uses lighter weight now, that isn’t what built that size initially.

I dare you to find the post where I was not trying to get that very same point across in relation to this topic.

Go find it.

You’re impossible.

If I ask you “Did you sincerely type all these responses so that you could stop a 15 year old from thinking he can get 22 inch arms with 10 lb curls?”, you say ‘Freeman uses light weight now but he used to lift heavy, Go Prove me Wrong’, which is irrelevant to the question that I’m asking you.

But you’re right, I can’t find a post of yours where you didn’t say he didn’t build himself with light weights.

If I tell you those are not 50 pound dumbells like you claimed, you tell me “I just said he had to move bigger weight at some time to use lighter weight now!”, which is irrelevant to the fact that you were probably wrong about the dumbells. But your statement is right in itself.

If the guy asks you “Does he still train with light weights?” you don’t say a simple “yes”, you reply with “It’s obvious that he can lift more!” which is not the answer and which is obvious and so pretty much irrelevant to the question being asked. But your statement is right in itself.

If I tell you he is not trying to fool his opponents and does actually use weight that is almost funny for his build -and that it works for him now-, then you tell me how Dexter once said he ate a pizza and then laughed, which is irrelevant to the fact that Toney does use really light weights. But your statement is right in itself.

The thing is, I cannot prove you wrong. Because you’re right. Just like someone who repeatedly says 2+2=4, you’re just so right. And so angry for some reason. Your statements might not be so relevant to the topic at hand, they might be not so constructive by any means, they might not answer the frickin question you’re replying to but one thing is for sure, you’re right man.

And god forbid if somebody doesn’t answer your question directly, you’ll make sure to “dare” them to ‘go and find’ where you said something you actually didn’t say. And all I’m saying is, I think that’s a problem.

But you’re right, he didn’t build what he had with light weights.[/quote]

You are one thick individual. Why do you think I would be pointing that out? To myself? I’m already big. I don’t have to inform myself of how these guys got that big.

Therefore, if I am taking the time to explain that light weights are not how they got that big, I am NOT speaking to the truly experienced lifters on this forum (of which there are very few). I am speaking to the newbies who would hear something like that and think you get big arms from light weights.

Why the fuck did this need an explanation? Go whine somewhere else.

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I lol’d.

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Fools are writing essays to each other now?

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Actually, I take that back. It’s one guy who typed up all the essays.

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He’s a beast he’s a dog he’s a muthafucking probleeeem!

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since people are posting essays i thought i’d put a snippet of my research up. Also this years Arnold is gonna be sweet!!!

EntrezGene summary for IL7:

The protein encoded by this gene is a cytokine important for B and T cell development. This
cytokine and the hepatocyte growth factor (HGF) form a heterodimer that functions as a pre-pro-B
cell growth-stimulating factor. This cytokine is found to be a cofactor for V(D)J rearrangement of
the T cell receptor beta (TCRB) during early T cell development. This cytokine can be produced
locally by intestinal epithelial and epithelial goblet cells, and may serve as a regulatory factor
for intestinal mucosal lymphocytes. Knockout studies in mice suggested that this cytokine plays an
essential role in lymphoid cell survival.

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[quote]G87 wrote:
Fools are writing essays to each other now?[/quote]

Yeah, GOD FORBID people write a reasonable response that actually comprises more than two sentences.

I mean, shit, everyone knows that forums aren’t meant to encourage READING and DISCUSSING topics.

Everyone, please keep all posts 5 sentences or less, lest you lose the attention span of your vapid…uh, I mean, BUSY audience.

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Sick shoulders.

Damn…

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The Arnold’s gonna be great.

Can’t wait.

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sweet article on his training style thecka, thanks for posting it.

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[quote]NewDamage wrote:
G87 wrote:
Fools are writing essays to each other now?

Yeah, GOD FORBID people write a reasonable response that actually comprises more than two sentences.

I mean, shit, everyone knows that forums aren’t meant to encourage READING and DISCUSSING topics.

Everyone, please keep all posts 5 sentences or less, lest you lose the attention span of your vapid…uh, I mean, BUSY audience.[/quote]

No need to regurgitate the same information for 4 paragraphs where 1 would suffice. It was interesting to read the first few messages on the light weights vs heavy weights topic, but not towards the end where it turned into reiteration of what was said previously.

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Black guys never look their age, it’s unfair!

  • Adam

[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Over 40 and he looks like that?

His shoulders are incredible!

Many of those guys, especially those in NPC doing well, are in their late 30’s to early 40’s. Most of them just don’t look like it.

Dexter Jackson is over 40 also. The amount of size these guys are carrying doesn’t come on in a couple of years. It took Toney several years to fill out his frame like this AFTER he was already “big” by most people’s standards…and he’s only 6’2".

Damn, I was unaware that Dexter is at that age too - almost none of them seem to look their age, as you’ve said.

[/quote]

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
JACKED71 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I wish I could get my calves to grow like that. That is the one body part that seems completely resistant to “big”.

Try working them everyday like Arnold did and if that doesn’t work, you can always opt for calf implants. (lol)

I know a guy who has chest,tricep, bicep, and calf implants…gayest thing I’ve ever seen.[/quote]

He should be taken out and shot. Toney is looking sick. Being 6’2 myself I can share in the agony of filling out a huge ass frame. Fuck I wish I was 5’10. Dexter is 40? What?