As to the 135 vs. 95 question. CrossFit gives differing exercise weights for male and female lifters. I seriously doubt the girls in that video weigh near 135 pounds. I do however suspect that they could complete the workout listed with 135 pounds on the bar.
Also in the last week the WoD has included 5x5 squats and max effort weighted pull-ups. Two female’s maxed out on pull-ups with 70 and 80 pounds attached. I was impressed.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
Spoken,
You are correct that in the push press and jerk there is no hip thrust. The torso needs to remain vertical in these lifts or else the bar will be lost forward.
However, there is a hip thrust in the second pull. And the torso is not completely vertical. Look at the following pulling sequence that I pasted. In case in doesn’t load right, go to Mike Burgener’s site (Mike is a friend of CF) and find Ribakou on the photos page. Look closely at the third panel from the left.
Although it looks like the lifter’s torso is vertical, he leans slightly forward. This is enough. And if you practice the O lifts, you’ll find that as the weight gets heavy, you tend to lean less forward right before the second pull. Now look at the fourth panel. Notice how the lifter is actually pull back.
This is the result of an aggressive hip thrust. You do not get into this position by having a vertical torso and relying only on quad strength to “jump.” I can give you other sources that go over the hip thrust but I figured that a picture is worth a thousand words.[/quote]
Thanks for that. That clears a few things up.
would u aggree that the hip thrust is not 100% horizontal but more a combination of both horizontal and vertical.
(if u know what i mean).
A muscle up(done on rings) is a combination of a pullup and a dip.
u pull explosively enough to get your self up into the dip position.(yes i can do one)
please try one before u comment on how easy they look.
[quote]DPH wrote:
Spoken wrote:
TRIGWU i bet you $10,000 u couldn’t even finish that workout.
he dude…
I’ll bet you $10,000 that neither you, any of those girls in the video, or “coach” could do one of my workouts…
all any of you have to do is match me pound for pound and rep for rep to earn the cash…if any of you fail then you owe me $10,000…
care to make a wager?
one of the things that I find hilarious about “coach’s” wager is that HE couldn’t do what those three girls in that video do…yet he calls T.C. a fraud …
“coach” is a complete fucking joke![/quote]
you would take the 10 000 from me i’m sure pound for pound, i will admit i’m probably not as strong as you.
But then i will take the 10 000 straight back when i smoke you in that workout.
the 3 rounds of
50 squats
7 muscleups(i’m sure u can do these)
135lb hang power clean.
i doubt you would even finish it.
so we would be even, correct.
[quote]Spoken wrote:
DPH wrote:
Spoken wrote:
TRIGWU i bet you $10,000 u couldn’t even finish that workout.
he dude…
I’ll bet you $10,000 that neither you, any of those girls in the video, or “coach” could do one of my workouts…
all any of you have to do is match me pound for pound and rep for rep to earn the cash…if any of you fail then you owe me $10,000…
care to make a wager?
one of the things that I find hilarious about “coach’s” wager is that HE couldn’t do what those three girls in that video do…yet he calls T.C. a fraud …
“coach” is a complete fucking joke!
you would take the 10 000 from me i’m sure pound for pound, i will admit i’m probably not as strong as you.
But then i will take the 10 000 straight back when i smoke you in that workout.
the 3 rounds of
50 squats
7 muscleups(i’m sure u can do these)
135lb hang power clean.
i doubt you would even finish it.
so we would be even, correct.
[/quote]
Now you’re understanding the essence of an internet challenge, see the workout I posted earlier and let me know how you’d fair in its completion…you may claim it is arbitrary in its evaluation of fitness and you may be right, but I may feel your “coaches” workout is just as arbitrary in evaluating someones level of fitness
ps- the muscle up isn’t that hard as long as you’re able to kick your feet and squirm around like a fish…sorry homey, it may seem hard at first, but once you’ve learned the movement, it really isn’t that hard…I did dig the way those girls squatted on those balls though.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Spoken wrote:
DPH wrote:
Spoken wrote:
TRIGWU i bet you $10,000 u couldn’t even finish that workout.
he dude…
I’ll bet you $10,000 that neither you, any of those girls in the video, or “coach” could do one of my workouts…
all any of you have to do is match me pound for pound and rep for rep to earn the cash…if any of you fail then you owe me $10,000…
care to make a wager?
one of the things that I find hilarious about “coach’s” wager is that HE couldn’t do what those three girls in that video do…yet he calls T.C. a fraud …
“coach” is a complete fucking joke!
you would take the 10 000 from me i’m sure pound for pound, i will admit i’m probably not as strong as you.
But then i will take the 10 000 straight back when i smoke you in that workout.
the 3 rounds of
50 squats
7 muscleups(i’m sure u can do these)
135lb hang power clean.
i doubt you would even finish it.
so we would be even, correct.
Now you’re understanding the essence of an internet challenge, see the workout I posted earlier and let me know how you’d fair in its completion…you may claim it is arbitrary in its evaluation of fitness and you may be right, but I may feel your “coaches” workout is just as arbitrary in evaluating someones level of fitness
ps- the muscle up isn’t that hard as long as you’re able to kick your feet and squirm around like a fish…sorry homey, it may seem hard at first, but once you’ve learned the movement, it really isn’t that hard…I did dig the way those girls squatted on those balls though.[/quote]
lol slimjim i think u have me beat.
your challenge is hardest of all.
so how long have u been doing muscle ups for?
I bet $10,000 that my dad can beat up your dad!
[quote]Spoken wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Spoken wrote:
can u even do 1 muscle up?
Can you stop with the text message abbreviations?
TriGWU is a triathlete who also trains with weights. A muscle-up is pretty damn simple for anyone that is not overweight. I am sure he can handle it.
I doubt it.[/quote]
All of your 12 posts here just to doubt me.
I can do it.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
I bet $10,000 that my dad can beat up your dad![/quote]
LOL
SlimJim,
Do you train girls to do that to?
Is there 10,000 on this still?
If there isn’t we’ll keep this posted and I’ll go for it in July.
I can’t go for muscle ups for time in the middle of the season like this w/o a wager. If I lose a shoulder I’ll miss qualifying for Worlds.
Once the main batch of my season closes out in July I’ll get the guys at Crossfit DC to be witnesses.
[quote]DPH wrote:
Spoken wrote:
TRIGWU i bet you $10,000 u couldn’t even finish that workout.
he dude…
I’ll bet you $10,000 that neither you, any of those girls in the video, or “coach” could do one of my workouts…
all any of you have to do is match me pound for pound and rep for rep to earn the cash…if any of you fail then you owe me $10,000…
care to make a wager?
one of the things that I find hilarious about “coach’s” wager is that HE couldn’t do what those three girls in that video do…yet he calls T.C. a fraud …
“coach” is a complete fucking joke![/quote]
I already know I couldn’t match you in your workout DPH. That’s whats hilarious about everyone making their wager.
I just know that I could pull out those times if someone gave me the money to make it worth the risk to my season.
Well, now I know what they are called.
As a kid at my public school, I was elected the guy that had to climb up onto the roof to get the balls after recess.
You had to jump up, grab the next level (the roofs are flat), pull yourself up, then flop around a bit like described to get the hands/arms in position for a “dip”.
Thinking about it, I can’t believe the school actually chose a kid to climb up onto the roof on a “daily” basis. Just think of the lawsuit potential!
While I’m weighing a bit much these days to do them, I’m betting Tri can do them.
I have not been paying super close attention to this thread (since I could care less about arguing too much over Crossfit methods), but this caught my eye. The hilarious thing here is the line above from “Coach” about how he gave Dan the “rights to our most valued IP”.
Now let’s be serious here for a moment: Someone please explain to me what kind of special intellectual property anyone has in an exercise program? We’re not even talking about some new, special exercise machine or something. We’re talking about how you string together a bunch of different exercises which you then post all over public forums.
As I think we’ve all seen countless times before in our debates on here, there is no single magic formula that is so far superior to everything else. This is less a slap against a Crossfit approach to working out than the notion that Crossfit has some kind of true IP rights in their workouts. Unbelievable.
I won’t even get into the remarks about Dan John since they should not even be dignified with a response.
HaHAHa Vroom, that hilarious. I was trying to recall why those seemed so familiar. I was the designated roof monkey too.
Turns out I used to do those about a hundred times a day with a chainsaw strapped to my waist and about 20 lbs. of other miscelaneous gear attatched too. Thats a good way to start climbing up a tree. They are prety tough, but once you become good at firing through the sequence, they’re not bad.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
I have not been paying super close attention to this thread (since I could care less about arguing too much over Crossfit methods), but this caught my eye. The hilarious thing here is the line above from “Coach” about how he gave Dan the “rights to our most valued IP”.
Now let’s be serious here for a moment: Someone please explain to me what kind of special intellectual property anyone has in an exercise program? We’re not even talking about some new, special exercise machine or something. We’re talking about how you string together a bunch of different exercises which you then post all over public forums.
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That is an interesting point. Unless the work was protected by copyright he has no claim to them what so ever, and even if they were, he gave expressed permission for them to be used. Furthermore, just a few tweaks would be all that was necessarry to get around that. I used to try to explain this to people all the time and they just don’t get that they have no claim to anything as their own origional article of design unless they go through the process of patent and/or coryright, but they just don’t get it.
Ya? Well, I can hang from a fucken tree for days, without moving. Anyone want to try to beat that?
|/ 3Toes
[quote]skirmish wrote:
A muscle-up is a pull-up that becomes a dip.
Try google. This exercise is deceptively challenging. It is traditionally done on rings but can also be done on a bar or almost anything else. I can do ~15 pull-ups and over 20 dips in a set and can not manage 1 muscle-up. You owe it to yourself to try it before you comment on the difficulty of it.[/quote]
I can do muscle-ups on rings and bars and I am nothing special.
It just takes a little practice.
I got kicked off that site for calling someone a pansy.
fukin pansies.
[quote]Spoken wrote:
you would take the 10 000 from me i’m sure pound for pound, i will admit i’m probably not as strong as you.
[/quote]
oh come on…
I thought crossfit was supposed to get people stronger that shit…
that’s what ‘coach’ claims…
are you a crossfit failure?
[quote]Spoken wrote:
lol slimjim i think u have me beat.
your challenge is hardest of all.
so how long have u been doing muscle ups for?
[/quote]
One of my friends in the military here has a set of rings, follows crossfit, and he challenged me to do them last year…I’ll admit the first time out 3 was challenging, but after a few runs over the next few weeks I got the movement down pretty well. 14 is my best all out effort, not spectacular, but it isn’t really something I incorporate into my workouts on a regular basis, and I do try to do them without too much movement from my lower body, but by the last four reps I’m flopping about like a fish.