[quote]Higher Game wrote:
Unnecessary recklessness leads to upset losses and injuries.[/quote]
And boring ass fights.
Maybe so. The fighter is there to win the fight. If it takes 15 minutes and keeping your distance to beat your opponent that is what you do. I have no problems with Arlovski doing what he needed to do to win the fight.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
And boring ass fights.[/quote]
[quote]booger wrote:
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Looks like a quantum leap in the MMA game is brewing. People used to argue mostly about who is more skilled or talented than who at what, with Fedor and Couture being the only guys notable for consistently outstanding game plans.
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Best post. The MMA game is changing rapidly.
All you guys that have insulted my intelligence have not shown much insightful analysis other than, it is a fight, anything can happen.
Watching early UFCs and PRIDE does not make you an expert!
[quote]PGJ wrote:
nikolo wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
nikolo wrote:
My heart can not take much more of these upsets.
Does anyone know the condition of Cro Cop’s leg?
I was wondering that myself. It looks like he definitely could have some knee and ankle damage.
As he left the ring, he was not assisted, nor did he have a limp to speak of.
Being that he was out before his knee twisted under him, I am betting that the damage to his knee was minimal.
I hope you’re right. I know sometimes, when an injury first happens, it does not seem to be too serious. The next day usually tells the tale. His toes were pointing at his ass after all. Seeing that makes me shudder and yet I can’t stop watching.
Cro Cop doesn’t suck, but he definately didn’t seem to take this fight very seriously. Wasn’t very active.
Does this finally put the bed the idea that the K-1 guys would mop the floor with the UFC guys? Cro Cop was SUPPOSED to simply have his way with the UFC, decapitating each opponent with ease.
Now, Arlovski was a HUGE disappointment.
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I don’t think K-1 guys could mop the floor with ufc guys at all. However, Pride is a different story, they got the best fighters in the world. But it seems to me Cro Cop is either not training very hard or not very interested in fighting at the moment.
In his previous fight he was also sluggish and looked like he was falling asleep. He was able to get away with it because he fought some noob, this time he wasn’t so lucky.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
booger wrote:
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Looks like a quantum leap in the MMA game is brewing. People used to argue mostly about who is more skilled or talented than who at what, with Fedor and Couture being the only guys notable for consistently outstanding game plans.
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Best post. The MMA game is changing rapidly.
All you guys that have insulted my intelligence have not shown much insightful analysis other than, it is a fight, anything can happen.
Watching early UFCs and PRIDE does not make you an expert![/quote]
Training mma, being passionately interested in it and reading a lot about it for 10 years does make one some kind of an expert, and when a newbie comes with black/white/right/wrong-statements out of the blue, he will get flamed.
live with it.
I thought Gonzaga would win actually…but not that way.
I also thought Werdum would win. He looked off to me. Cro cop is tough and he’ll beat many guys in the UFC. He’ll be back
[quote]almostabb wrote:
I don’t think K-1 guys could mop the floor with ufc guys at all. However, Pride is a different story, they got the best fighters in the world.[/quote]
You should probably pull your head out of pride’s ass and breathe. Heath Herring, Werdum, and CC have went a stunning combined 2-3 in their first UFC fights.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Manbearpig for the win!
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lol But my wife thinks he’s extremely good looking. WTF???
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CroCop’s career cycle continues,building himself up just to fall short in spectacular fashion. I see retirement.[/quote]
Yeah, especially after what he said following Pride GP. Then he’ll miss the sport and come back. You know how it goes.
BTW-What was with standing them up? Ironically that only sped up the crushing downfall.
[quote]David Barr wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Manbearpig for the win!
lol But my wife thinks he’s extremely good looking. WTF???
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It’s that sexy Brazilian body hair.
Man alive, this is some Peter Aerts shit. Brutal, brutal, brrrrutal KO.
"Link: Mirko: Bolje nisam ni zaslužio - Index.hr
It’s from a Croatian news portal. I think it can be considered a legit source.
Translation:
Only one day after brutal and humiliating KO by Gabriel Gonzaga in Manchester, Mirko Cro Cop came back to Zagreb. Several of his friends, members of the special forces, were waiting for him at the airport. As soon as he got out of the terminal, walking with a limp, reporters gathered around him to hear his opinion on last night’s fight, the fifth loss of Mirko’s career.
Although just 10 hours passed from the KO, Mirko was calm and collected, and if it wasn’t for the visible limp, you could never guess it was the same man who lied unconscious last night in the UFC cage.
“The fight went the same way I fought it, I didn’t deserve any better”, analyzed Mirko and continued: “That’s seems to be the cross I’m carrying, I fall down every once in a while, I don’t know why. I’ve been two times through such crisis, against Randleman and I came back, against Fedor and I came back. I’ll come back after this again. It’s part of my carrer, so I should handle it.”
It didn’t take long since last night’s defeat for speculations to arise whether Gonzaga’s hick-kick ended Mirko’s career aswell. But to our question whether he’ll continue fighting after this Cro Cop answered: “Of, course, I will fullfil the contract, I have 4 more fights to go.”
After this short statement Mirko entered his car. Before anything, it’s time to recover, and after that he’ll start thinking about his next opponent."
slightly off the subject here’s chuck talking about cro cop and fedor
slightly off the subject here’s chuck talking about cro cop and fedor
If im not mistaken doesn’t ufc own pride now? So do you think they will bring fedor over and try to create what they where hoping Crocop would do?
[quote]John S. wrote:
If im not mistaken doesn’t ufc own pride now? So do you think they will bring fedor over and try to create what they where hoping Crocop would do?
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Fedor is currently under contract with Bodog and not Pride. Hopefully this will change soon, especially with the growing amount of competition and talent in the UFC and the fact that Bodog will not be able to keep up with this or offer Fedor any top notch competition (see his last fight with Matt Lindland).
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
almostabb wrote:
I don’t think K-1 guys could mop the floor with ufc guys at all. However, Pride is a different story, they got the best fighters in the world.
You should probably pull your head out of pride’s ass and breathe. Heath Herring, Werdum, and CC have went a stunning combined 2-3 in their first UFC fights.
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Yup. Donut, you are one of a small handful of guys here that seem to know what the hell you are talking about.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
almostabb wrote:
I don’t think K-1 guys could mop the floor with ufc guys at all. However, Pride is a different story, they got the best fighters in the world.
You should probably pull your head out of pride’s ass and breathe. Heath Herring, Werdum, and CC have went a stunning combined 2-3 in their first UFC fights.
Yup. Donut, you are one of a small handful of guys here that seem to know what the hell you are talking about.
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excluding yourself…
This just in: Super slow motion replays have shown evidence of the continuing Dana White conspiracy to make Pride fighters lose.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
almostabb wrote:
I don’t think K-1 guys could mop the floor with ufc guys at all. However, Pride is a different story, they got the best fighters in the world.
You should probably pull your head out of pride’s ass and breathe. Heath Herring, Werdum, and CC have went a stunning combined 2-3 in their first UFC fights.
Yup. Donut, you are one of a small handful of guys here that seem to know what the hell you are talking about.
excluding yourself…
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No shit. You seem to know much less than me. The only difference is you are not aware of your ignorance of the subject.
Posted by a member of Mirko’s team on Cro Cop’s webpage forum:
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First off, I don’t want to say that I “knew” that this gonna happen. But there are some things that made me think that Gonzaga is a bad match-up for Mirko. I expected some problems because I knew quite much about this guy. But bottom line, I thought Mirko will win this one, not as easy as many fans expected.
Gonzaga was heavily underestimated, which was the first mistake. He’s an ADCC champion, a guy known for his BJJ skills and strength. When you face the guy like that you just can’t underestimate him. It’s always easy to be clever when the fight is over, but I just can’t imagine why Gonzaga was treated like some D-level fighter.
At fighter entrance’s I noticed some important things. On Gonzaga’s face there was no fear, he was “in”. Mirko was a bit nervous, maybe he disliked the atmoshpefe overall and going through the crowd towards the cage. When I saw Gonzaga’s face I felt something is different with this guy. He was maybe a little nervous but it’s quite acceptable when you fight a fighter of Mirko’s calibre.
From the first second of the fight Gonzaga started with this clever gameplan. He was moving to the left, placing his left leg on the out side of Mirko’s right leg. It’s also a usual tactics in proffesional boxing when you fight a southpaw. Fedor used the same strategy with Mirko and we know what happened! In this scenario Mirko’s primary weapons (middle and high kicks) are dead, as he can’t go for a kick when he’s forced to a contant movement. Gonzaga was puching the pace, instead of searching for a takedown opportunity. But he found one when Mirko landed his only kick in the fight, he grabbed his leg and took him down.
Now the second big problem. Elbows. Gonzaga was clever again, he didn’t want to take any risk by submission attempts. He used his punches and elbows, because he knew that Mirko might have a problem checking those elbow’s blows. When you grab your opponent’s hand’s you can make his g’n’p ineffective, but the elbows are a different story. After at least 10 good elbows Gonzaga was on his way to win the fight. He also got Mirko against the cage, but the referee stopped the action and brought them back in stand-up.
With 28 seconds left in Round 1 Mirko was definitely looking for a chance to land a huge shot before the round ends. You could see him seting-up his highkick by a small feint, but Gonzaga’s right hand didn’t go down a bit. So Mirko probably decided not to push with a left highkick this time, but he got careless. How can you expect such a powefull highkick from a BJJ guy? When Gonzaga went for a kick Mirko was already prepared to check the middle kick, but he didn’t realize that the highkick is coming. He had now chance, he was out.
Conclusion, why did Mirko lost?
He underestimated Gonzaga, got careless in the fight too. Gonzaga did a great job, his gamplean worked out perfectly. His only kick in the fight landed so hard. It was Gonzaga’s night. Probably something that he deserved by a perfect approach to this fight, starting from the preparations, followed by a gameplan, and ending by a big KO. What else to say, he’s a great fighter.
And what happens with Mirko?
Definitely a few months off. He’ll be lucky if his right leg injury is not too serious, which I doubt judging by the slow motion. But Mirko also needs time to accept this loss and to look inside to find out if there’s something left in him to give. I’m sure he can still do great, but that’s something that he needs to find out for himself. For sure he won’t end his career this way and he’ll be back. Hopefully he can regain his self-confiedence and continue his title pursuit.
Let’s not forget that we are talking about one of the strongest fighters in the world, who dominated the Open Weight Grand Prix just a few months ago.
Crocop’s story doesn’t end here …[/quote]
Sums everything up nicely.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
almostabb wrote:
I don’t think K-1 guys could mop the floor with ufc guys at all. However, Pride is a different story, they got the best fighters in the world.
You should probably pull your head out of pride’s ass and breathe. Heath Herring, Werdum, and CC have went a stunning combined 2-3 in their first UFC fights.
Yup. Donut, you are one of a small handful of guys here that seem to know what the hell you are talking about.
excluding yourself…
No shit. You seem to know much less than me. The only difference is you are not aware of your ignorance of the subject.[/quote]
hmm…if you ever decide to actually take up MMA…stop by Full Circle MMA…Killeen,TX…maybe we could just “share our knowledge” and become best of buds.