Cro Cop Sux

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[quote]Lilium wrote:
So… where is Zap saying that Cro Cop sucks? All he seemed to say to me was that from what he saw and what everyone said here that the guy seems over-hyped. He even said this was the only fight he saw the guy in and was expecting more. So you all jump to the conclusion that he was all “zomg this guy suxxorz”?

Once you’re all done making assumptions why don’t you make some nice suggestions as to which fights he should watch to give him a better idea of why you like the guy so much.[/quote]

Well, the title he gave the thread seems pretty descriptive.

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SWEETHOLYRATFUCK!!!

I am a huge Crocop fan. I was telling a guy who had never seen him fight before that he was my favorite because he could be/had been beaten but most often worked out a good strategy and triumphed just seconds before “the incident” happened. Props to whats-his-name for it.

What a coup! He wasn’t stunned he was out cold. I’ve been there and it sucks. I still have respect for CroCop and I liked his response that he would look at what went wrong and fix it. Just as I still liked Couture after second loss to Lidell, he is a champion.

Some other sites are mentioning that he didn’t look his opponent in the eyes or touch gloves and he dropped his hands on the kick…maybe psyched ala Fedor? I don’t know but he still has heart and most definitely doesn’t suck. Amazing fight!

I jumped up and yelled when he went down. Even the best can be taken out with one hit and we saw it happen. He fought and didn’t drag ass like Arlovski. Hope it generates a lot of publicity and we get to see some good fights in the future.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
OK, I am pretty new to the MMA thing and after listening to all you guys go on about Cro Cop I have to say I expected a bit more.

He got his ass whupped. That was not a freak KO.

CroCop never thought it was going to be a high kick - you can clearly see him move his hands to cover a body kick. He guessed wrong, and paid the price.

He’s a much better fighter than he showed tonight. [/quote]

CroCop wasn’t the one hyping things. It was the fans and media. He is a great fighter, but one that can lose like anyone else. I was cramping up watching him go down like a landed fish. Absolutely amazing hit by Gonzanga. I get vibes like the Randleman knockout… Review gameplan, train to overcome weakness, return to fight…

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[quote]booger wrote:
Well, the title he gave the thread seems pretty descriptive.[/quote]

Hehe, yeah I know. Lack of sleep isn’t my friend. I got an edit that should go through soon. It should (I hope) get the point I was trying to make across.

Point being something along the lines of: The first fight this guy saw Cro Cop in he got his ass beat. This is not saying Cro Cop sucks as a whole. Now go find evidence of this fact.

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[quote]Lilium wrote:
booger wrote:
Well, the title he gave the thread seems pretty descriptive.

Hehe, yeah I know. Lack of sleep isn’t my friend. I got an edit that should go through soon. It should (I hope) get the point I was trying to make across.

Point being something along the lines of: The first fight this guy saw Cro Cop in he got his ass beat. This is not saying Cro Cop sucks as a whole. Now go find evidence of this fact.[/quote]

Yeah, I hope the mods were able to edit my drunken posts into some kind of semi-coherent statements too …Oh the colors…

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Is it me, or are many of the 2007 upsets the result of spot-on game plans and training?

Gonzaga had Crocop’s number right down to the last decimal place. He’s definitely watched the youtubes and DVDs over and over again. He started firing tight, straight punches immediately to keep Crocop cautious. He caught the mid-kick that Crocop throws in every single fight like he’s done it a billion times in training.

He knew how to work around Crocop’s usual method of stalling on the ground. He threw a knock out high kick, which Crocop had not encountered since Fedor and was obviously not expecting. Gonzaga’s plan was better than Fedor’s, almost as good as Randleman’s.

Hendo game planned Wandy.
Couture game planned Sylvia.
Serra game planned GSP.
Gonzaga game planned Crocop.

Looks like a quantum leap in the MMA game is brewing. People used to argue mostly about who is more skilled or talented than who at what, with Fedor and Couture being the only guys notable for consistently outstanding game plans.

These recent upsets, I think, showed as clearly as it can get that excellent, tailored game plans and training can trump talent, physical advantages and skill. Frankly, it’s exciting as hell.

Maybe next we’ll see counter- and counter-counter-game plans, and the ability to implement contingencies, think and adapt on the fly will become the next big advance.

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-He did drop his hands
-He did touch gloves, at the appropriate time. Gonzaga tried to touch gloves immediately instead of at the usual referee signal.
-Looking into the eyes for a staredown is meaningless. Plenty of great fighters purposefully look away from their opponents eyes. They’re there to work a gameplan, not storm the ring headhunting.

Looking past the oddsmakers, there has been a major upset among “hardcore” fan picks in fantasy MMA in every event recorded this year.

Crocop, Hughes, GSP, Babalu, Silva, Gomi, Diet Nog, Arona, Travis Wiuff, Sylvia, Franklin, Hardonk, Diego, Swick, Galesic, and more went down against the expectations of the “informed” masses.

In the cases of Hughes and Franklin, the fall came to someone better skilled in the area of defeat. Crocop’s loss tonight was bizarre, no offense to Gonzaga’s striking, but K-1 material he is not. That’s irrelevant, proven once again, as the transition of K-1 level standup is impossible with the addition of the takedown threat.

The closest comparison this fight draws is GSP-Serra, as the manner of defeat was the expertise of the defeated, a place in which the victor was “out of place.”

Modern MMA has developed into a crapshoot. The long title reign is a dream. It’s been said if you’re undefeated, you’re not fighting the right people. How much future hype can there be, with contenders and champs coming and going in a flash despite years of buildup?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
OK, I am pretty new to the MMA thing and after listening to all you guys go on about Cro Cop I have to say I expected a bit more.

He got his ass whupped. That was not a freak KO.

[/quote]

He ket circling to his left which is all so wrong when you are a southpaw fighting an orthodox fighter. The best explanation for that was he didn’t take Gonzaga’s striking seriously at all.
If Crocop is overrated then GSP and nearly every fighter is besides Fedor. The whole bandwagon jumping thing is what is overrated and ridiculous. And it should get its ass whupped.

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http://www.fun-on.com/ultimate_fight_videos.php

I’m surprised he was able to walk after that. shit!

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Hahahahahahahha

this is just great…

another

“I don’t know anything at all about this sport, but I’m going to make blanket statements nevertheless, beacause I’m a fucking jackass”-thread.

  1. CroCop is one of the most accomplished fighters the last 5-7 years, both in standup tournaments and in mma tournaments.

  2. You can be as good as you want, a good high kick to your chin will get you down. That is how simple it is. Stating that “crocop isn’t well rounded” is like stating “fedor isn’t all that technical”. Both can be percieved as formally and technically true, but both are fucking stupid. IT WORKS.

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[quote]DrVonNostrand wrote:
-He did drop his hands
-He did touch gloves, at the appropriate time. Gonzaga tried to touch gloves immediately instead of at the usual referee signal.
-Looking into the eyes for a staredown is meaningless. Plenty of great fighters purposefully look away from their opponents eyes. They’re there to work a gameplan, not storm the ring headhunting.

Looking past the oddsmakers, there has been a major upset among “hardcore” fan picks in fantasy MMA in every event recorded this year.

Crocop, Hughes, GSP, Babalu, Silva, Gomi, Diet Nog, Arona, Travis Wiuff, Sylvia, Franklin, Hardonk, Diego, Swick, Galesic, and more went down against the expectations of the “informed” masses.

In the cases of Hughes and Franklin, the fall came to someone better skilled in the area of defeat. Crocop’s loss tonight was bizarre, no offense to Gonzaga’s striking, but K-1 material he is not. That’s irrelevant, proven once again, as the transition of K-1 level standup is impossible with the addition of the takedown threat.

The closest comparison this fight draws is GSP-Serra, as the manner of defeat was the expertise of the defeated, a place in which the victor was “out of place.”

Modern MMA has developed into a crapshoot. The long title reign is a dream. It’s been said if you’re undefeated, you’re not fighting the right people. How much future hype can there be, with contenders and champs coming and going in a flash despite years of buildup?[/quote]

Are you trying to say that Fedor isn’t fighting the right people? :wink:

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http://www.fun-on.com/ultimate_fight_videos.php

I’m surprised he was able to walk after that

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My heart can not take much more of these upsets.

Does anyone know the condition of Cro Cop’s leg?

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[quote]Blood is Metal wrote:
Yeah, he got beat. It does happen.[/quote]

It happens a tremendous amount in MMA, especially this year. To say Cro Cop sucks, is the same as saying GSP sucks.

All the upsets and elements of surprise make Fedor look that much more impressive.

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[quote]nikolo wrote:
My heart can not take much more of these upsets.

Does anyone know the condition of Cro Cop’s leg?

[/quote]

I was wondering that myself. It looks like he definitely could have some knee and ankle damage.

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Crocop has chronic problems with his foot. Had surgery. He lands alot of his body and head shots with his instep which over years will give you problems especially considering how hard Mirko kicks.

The wordis he re-injured his ankle/foot throwing his first kick. I do not know if that is true. Mirko will be back he is too good not to get back to his winning ways.

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[quote]Uncle Fester wrote:
nikolo wrote:
My heart can not take much more of these upsets.

Does anyone know the condition of Cro Cop’s leg?

I was wondering that myself. It looks like he definitely could have some knee and ankle damage.[/quote]

As he left the ring, he was not assisted, nor did he have a limp to speak of.

Being that he was out before his knee twisted under him, I am betting that the damage to his knee was minimal.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
nikolo wrote:
My heart can not take much more of these upsets.

Does anyone know the condition of Cro Cop’s leg?

I was wondering that myself. It looks like he definitely could have some knee and ankle damage.

As he left the ring, he was not assisted, nor did he have a limp to speak of.

Being that he was out before his knee twisted under him, I am betting that the damage to his knee was minimal.
[/quote]

I hope you’re right. I know sometimes, when an injury first happens, it does not seem to be too serious. The next day usually tells the tale. His toes were pointing at his ass after all. Seeing that makes me shudder and yet I can’t stop watching.

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[quote]nikolo wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
nikolo wrote:
My heart can not take much more of these upsets.

Does anyone know the condition of Cro Cop’s leg?

I was wondering that myself. It looks like he definitely could have some knee and ankle damage.

As he left the ring, he was not assisted, nor did he have a limp to speak of.

Being that he was out before his knee twisted under him, I am betting that the damage to his knee was minimal.

I hope you’re right. I know sometimes, when an injury first happens, it does not seem to be too serious. The next day usually tells the tale. His toes were pointing at his ass after all. Seeing that makes me shudder and yet I can’t stop watching.

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Cro Cop doesn’t suck, but he definately didn’t seem to take this fight very seriously. Wasn’t very active.

Does this finally put the bed the idea that the K-1 guys would mop the floor with the UFC guys? Cro Cop was SUPPOSED to simply have his way with the UFC, decapitating each opponent with ease.

Now, Arlovski was a HUGE disappointment.

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Arlovski was fine. I think Sylvia permanently wiped out his cockiness in their second match. Arlovski needs to be conservative and get some wins before he gets a title shot. Unnecessary recklessness leads to upset losses and injuries.